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letekro is the insufferable kid in philosophy class who argues with the professor about how you can't 100% prove that we don't in fact live in the Matrix. Because there's technically a .00001% chance of it he's gonna die before he gives up the fight.

Actually,
 
letekro is the insufferable kid in philosophy class who argues with the professor about how you can't 100% prove that we don't in fact live in the Matrix. Because there's technically a .00001% chance of it he's gonna die before he gives up the fight.

You really think it is that unlikely that, given how concerned they were about the balls being overinflated, they (Jaz and McNally) decided to unscientifically take a few puffs of air out the balls, if only to make themselves feel like they were doing something important for #12? I don't think that is likely, but I would in no way be surprised if that actually happened.
 
You really think it is that unlikely that, given how concerned they were about the balls being overinflated, they (Jaz and McNally) decided to unscientifically take a few puffs of air out the balls, if only to make themselves feel like they were doing something important for #12? I don't think that is likely, but I would in no way be surprised if that actually happened.

From the always excellent Palm Beach Pats Fan citing Steve McIntyre's blog...

"Exponent made a basic error which has missed by all commentators to date (including my own prior
commentary) and which, when corrected, resolves the entire affair, fully explaining the
“unexplained” deflation, while demonstrating that there was no “tampering” with the footballs
after measurement by the referees.

The newly identified error pertains to Exponent’s simulations of Patriot ball preparation,
an issue identified by Bill Belichick in his first press conference, but dismissed by Exponent and
the Wells Report. In Exponent’s simulations, they set football pressure to 12.5 psi before
gloving, whereas the Wells Report reported that Patriot equipment manager Jastremski set
pressure to 12.6 psi after gloving.
In Exponent’s simulations, gloving during ball preparation
increased temperatures and pressures by about 0.7 psi, but the effect wore off in 15-20 minutes.
However, Jastremski’s actual technique necessarily resulted in Patriot balls being slightly underinflated
by about 0.35 psi (approximately 12.1-12.2 psi) when they returned to room temperature. This amount fully accounts for the “unexplained” additional deflation of Patriot balls.

This under-inflation, while slight, was still enough that it should have been observed by
referee Anderson in his pre-game measurement. However, Referee Anderson had two gauges,
one of which (the Logo Gauge) read 0.38 psi too high. By coincidence, the amount of underinflation
under Jastremski’s protocol closely matched the bias in Anderson’s Logo Gauge.

Ten of 12 Patriot balls were measured by Anderson between 12.5 and 12.6 psi, with two under-
inflated. This is only possible if Anderson used the Logo Gauge to measure Patriot balls,
resolving a battleground issue contrary to the findings of Exponent, Wells and Goodell. This is
consistent with Anderson’s recollection of having used the Logo Gauge, a recollection rejection
by Exponent and Wells.

On the other hand, Exponent’s reasoning in respect to Colt balls, the pressures of which
were set at room temperature without rubbing, remains valid: Anderson used the Non-Logo
Gauge to measure Colt balls. The corollary is that Anderson (inattentively) switched gauges
between measuring Patriot and Colt balls. An excellent precedent for this possibility is the
identical inattentive switch of gauges by NFL officials at half-time, even under heightened
scrutiny.

One of the conclusions of the present analysis is that there is a coincidence between the
amount of under-inflation below 12.5 psi arising from Jastremski’s ball preparation and the bias
of Anderson’s Logo Gauge, but it is a coincidence that can be documented. At the Appeal
Hearing, Wells spoke eloquently against coincidence (“lightning strike”), but his own theory
ultimately rests on an implausible coincidence. Wells’ theory requires that, out of all possible deflations available, the Patriots decided to deflate their footballs by the amount of bias of referee Anderson’s Logo Gauge. Wells should have been worried about his own lightning strike.

The Deflategate controversy originated in scientific and technical errors. Appeal courts
are poorly suited to resolve such errors. There is another way to resolve the controversy. The
scientific community takes considerable pride in the concept of science being “self-correcting”.
Under this philosophy, it is the scientific community, not appeal courts, which has responsibility
for identifying scientific errors and correcting the scientific record. When a scientist has
inadvertently made an error, the most honorable and effective method of correcting the scientific
record is issue a corrected report, and, if such is not possible, retraction. If either Exponent or
Marlow conceded the above errors, it is hard to envisage the Deflategate case continuing much further. Accordingly, even at this late stage, Exponent and/or Marlow should man up, acknowledge the errors and either re-issue corrected reports or retract.

GAME. SET. MATCH.
 
From the always excellent Palm Beach Pats Fan citing Steve McIntyre's blog...

"Exponent made a basic error which has missed by all commentators to date (including my own prior
commentary) and which, when corrected, resolves the entire affair, fully explaining the
“unexplained” deflation, while demonstrating that there was no “tampering” with the footballs
after measurement by the referees.

The newly identified error pertains to Exponent’s simulations of Patriot ball preparation,
an issue identified by Bill Belichick in his first press conference, but dismissed by Exponent and
the Wells Report. In Exponent’s simulations, they set football pressure to 12.5 psi before
gloving, whereas the Wells Report reported that Patriot equipment manager Jastremski set
pressure to 12.6 psi after gloving.
In Exponent’s simulations, gloving during ball preparation
increased temperatures and pressures by about 0.7 psi, but the effect wore off in 15-20 minutes.
However, Jastremski’s actual technique necessarily resulted in Patriot balls being slightly underinflated
by about 0.35 psi (approximately 12.1-12.2 psi) when they returned to room temperature. This amount fully accounts for the “unexplained” additional deflation of Patriot balls.

This under-inflation, while slight, was still enough that it should have been observed by
referee Anderson in his pre-game measurement. However, Referee Anderson had two gauges,
one of which (the Logo Gauge) read 0.38 psi too high. By coincidence, the amount of underinflation
under Jastremski’s protocol closely matched the bias in Anderson’s Logo Gauge.

Ten of 12 Patriot balls were measured by Anderson between 12.5 and 12.6 psi, with two under-
inflated. This is only possible if Anderson used the Logo Gauge to measure Patriot balls,
resolving a battleground issue contrary to the findings of Exponent, Wells and Goodell. This is
consistent with Anderson’s recollection of having used the Logo Gauge, a recollection rejection
by Exponent and Wells.

On the other hand, Exponent’s reasoning in respect to Colt balls, the pressures of which
were set at room temperature without rubbing, remains valid: Anderson used the Non-Logo
Gauge to measure Colt balls. The corollary is that Anderson (inattentively) switched gauges
between measuring Patriot and Colt balls. An excellent precedent for this possibility is the
identical inattentive switch of gauges by NFL officials at half-time, even under heightened
scrutiny.

One of the conclusions of the present analysis is that there is a coincidence between the
amount of under-inflation below 12.5 psi arising from Jastremski’s ball preparation and the bias
of Anderson’s Logo Gauge, but it is a coincidence that can be documented. At the Appeal
Hearing, Wells spoke eloquently against coincidence (“lightning strike”), but his own theory
ultimately rests on an implausible coincidence. Wells’ theory requires that, out of all possible deflations available, the Patriots decided to deflate their footballs by the amount of bias of referee Anderson’s Logo Gauge. Wells should have been worried about his own lightning strike.

The Deflategate controversy originated in scientific and technical errors. Appeal courts
are poorly suited to resolve such errors. There is another way to resolve the controversy. The
scientific community takes considerable pride in the concept of science being “self-correcting”.
Under this philosophy, it is the scientific community, not appeal courts, which has responsibility
for identifying scientific errors and correcting the scientific record. When a scientist has
inadvertently made an error, the most honorable and effective method of correcting the scientific
record is issue a corrected report, and, if such is not possible, retraction. If either Exponent or
Marlow conceded the above errors, it is hard to envisage the Deflategate case continuing much further. Accordingly, even at this late stage, Exponent and/or Marlow should man up, acknowledge the errors and either re-issue corrected reports or retract.

GAME. SET. MATCH.

Doesn't this theory depend on the balls being given to the officials at 12.1-12.2 on a master gauge? Is there evidence that this was the case?

EDIT: OK. I didn't fully understand until I read the Reddit post from August 2015 (!) that is in one of the comments on the McIntyre blog (the post by "Dan Backman"). It is too long to post here, but clearly and methodically explains the point. If correct (and it looks to be, assuming Jaz measured the balls just after rubbing them, which is consistent with his testimony (and he would have no reason to lie unless he figured out the IGL before the rest of the world)), this very smart person had figured out the entire thing almost a year before McIntyre, explaining away all alleged deflation.

Although, as McIntyre notes, this theory does depend on the Colts balls being measured with the non-logo gauge.
 
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Since the PSI's weren't recorded there is no proof they were even measured, beyond Coleman's recollection.
 
My analogy on this is not perfect but it is illustrative.

Let's say that I were ticketed today for exceeding the speed limit in a 65 mph zone, denied it, then was able to produce the radar data from the cop, reading 65 mph.

Let's further say that the manufacturer of the radar equipment asserts that it rounds the speed to the nearest mph. Thus I was going between 64.51 and 65.49 mph.

They cannot prove I was speeding. I cannot prove that I was not speeding. I can certainly say that any speed in excess of the limit was undetectable and compltely relevant, so small that I surely could not have even been aware of it.

The NFL would be giving me a ticket, fining me $50,000, and taking away my licence for 3 months.

I would be scratching my head and insisting that they prove that I did something.
 
My analogy on this is not perfect but it is illustrative.

Let's say that I were ticketed today for exceeding the speed limit in a 65 mph zone, denied it, then was able to produce the radar data from the cop, reading 65 mph.

Let's further say that the manufacturer of the radar equipment asserts that it rounds the speed to the nearest mph. Thus I was going between 64.51 and 65.49 mph.

They cannot prove I was speeding. I cannot prove that I was not speeding. I can certainly say that any speed in excess of the limit was undetectable and compltely relevant, so small that I surely could not have even been aware of it.

The NFL would be giving me a ticket, fining me $50,000, and taking away my licence for 3 months.

I would be scratching my head and insisting that they prove that I did something.

If I can add one thing to your analogy: The best evidence the NFL/police have that you were speeding is that a friend sent you a text that said "Slow down, speed racer." However, this text was sent 8 months before you got the ticket and was sent to you when you were on a cruise, so there was no way you could have been driving.
 
My analogy on this is not perfect but it is illustrative.

Let's say that I were ticketed today for exceeding the speed limit in a 65 mph zone, denied it, then was able to produce the radar data from the cop, reading 65 mph.

Let's further say that the manufacturer of the radar equipment asserts that it rounds the speed to the nearest mph. Thus I was going between 64.51 and 65.49 mph.

They cannot prove I was speeding. I cannot prove that I was not speeding. I can certainly say that any speed in excess of the limit was undetectable and compltely relevant, so small that I surely could not have even been aware of it.

The NFL would be giving me a ticket, fining me $50,000, and taking away my licence for 3 months.

I would be scratching my head and insisting that they prove that I did something.
And on top of that you have a terribly bearded road kill squirell stuck to your tires (Andrew Luck) and the cop is a member of PETA
 
Haven't been keeping up with the Pats news. Any word on the court asking for a response from the NFL?

No clue how these things work, but remember reading a sign Brady may get the appeal granted would be if the NFL is asked for a response.

May not even be true or even matter. As in Brady could get the appeal even if the court doesn't ask for the NFL's response.

However if it was gonna happen, you figure it'd happen this week or next no?
 
If I can add one thing to your analogy: The best evidence the NFL/police have that you were speeding is that a friend sent you a text that said "Slow down, speed racer." However, this text was sent 8 months before you got the ticket and was sent to you when you were on a cruise, so there was no way you could have been driving.
Actually the text message was, "How'd you beat the speed racer to the location". When the speed racer used a moped scooter to get around (you know the guy, the one who has those bikes that can't seem to go more than 40 mph and is making traffic back up behind him) and the text message was sent to a different person.
 
I've used this analogy before. Its not better, just more sarcastic.

  1. You get pulled over for speeding.
  2. Cop writes you a summons. No speeds given.
  3. The police chief, the man your wife dumped to go out with you, leaks to the press that you were drag racing.
  4. Speeds in surplus of 200mph.
  5. Someone notes that there is an elementary school only 16 blocks away.
  6. Someone in the press asks: What about the children?
  7. You are vilified worldwide.
  8. In court, you find out you are officially charged with doing 30 mph in a 25mph zone.
  9. Cop states on the stand that he used the radar gun that reads +10mph fast.
  10. The judge, a man you beat up in high school, rules that the officer must have used the other radar gun because why not?
  11. The other radar gun reads +2mph.
  12. Despite the low speeds, you are found guilty of drag racing (there were other cars going in the same direction after all): top speed: 27mph.
  13. Oh and you once texted: what a drag
  14. You are fined 1 million dollars and not allowed to buy new tires or change your oil for a year.
 
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whaddya asking US for? you want answers ask YOUR ex-employees Goodell, Kensil and Gardi...:ugh:

Haven't heard anything in a while and seems like a few guys here have a good understanding of the legal working of things. Not just fans or reporters guessing, but actual knowledge of how the stuff works.

So just checking. Still gotta decide if I'm using a keeper pick on Edelman damn it. The courts better hurry up with this. Starting to mess with Fantasy rosters!
 
These many scientific reports, however, prove that:

1) nobody took any amount of air out of any football

or

2) if anyone did take any amount of air out of any football, it was such a small amount that,
-within experimental error, it was completely undetectable (<0.4 psi), AND
-such a small amount would not be discernible by anyone, even an NFL quarterback, AND
-such a small amount would provide no competitive advantage, AND
-nobody in their right mind would ever concoct a deflation scheme that confers no advantage whatsoever.


IN OTHER WORDS,

1) We know that no tampering occurred
or
2) any tampering that could theoretically have occurred is completely implausible and was not detected

Great post.

If that doesn't sink in nothing will.
 
Doesn't this theory depend on the balls being given to the officials at 12.1-12.2 on a master gauge? Is there evidence that this was the case?

EDIT: OK. I didn't fully understand until I read the Reddit post from August 2015 (!) that is in one of the comments on the McIntyre blog (the post by "Dan Backman"). It is too long to post here, but clearly and methodically explains the point. If correct (and it looks to be, assuming Jaz measured the balls just after rubbing them, which is consistent with his testimony (and he would have no reason to lie unless he figured out the IGL before the rest of the world)), this very smart person had figured out the entire thing almost a year before McIntyre, explaining away all alleged deflation.

Although, as McIntyre notes, this theory does depend on the Colts balls being measured with the non-logo gauge.

This of course assumes that all gauges are equal and they're not.

It's almost humorous how the league had casually or lackadaisically monitored football PSI with crap $20 dollar gauges which were used without any thoughts of calibration or storage for the entire history of football and out of the blue 0.3 psi became the condemnation that sent Brady and Pats nation to hell.


Only 8 NEW gauges tested accurately. The rest varied from 12.55 - 13.2 in a 13.0 psi environment.

("Derr....phone......bathroom trip........0.3 psi ....")

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"Here you go Pats hater. That's a good boy. Here's your 0.3 psi"

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"What? You've figured out the science sucks? Well here's a juicy phone for you. Good boy"

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