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Reiss: Malcolm Butler plans to push for an adjustment to his contract


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This is such a sensitive topic because of the way this is shaping up with the Big Three (and Sheard and Ninko to a much lesser degree). Here's my stab it:

A) I'll start with Butler since this thread is about him primarily (though the order of importance could be argues ad nauseam). So you've apparently found this gem of an UDFA, right. He is so immense in the fourth quarter of the SB for the entire second half. He's batting down deep balls that were being caught when Arrington and Ryan were in the game, he has the awareness to tackle the receiver after what was another insane catch (as if we needed another one) and then makes perhaps the biggest play in SB history! What does he do for an encore, you ask? He goes out, after the team lost Revis, and performs better than Revis by playing out of his mind against some of the best the game has to offer.

B) You got Hightower. He showed two seasons ago how important he is to this team. This is a guy who many were beginning to grumble about. I was starting to read "bust" talk, and not the kind found in Canton. Everyone remember's Butler's interception, and rightfully so. But how many conversations have there been about the play before it? You know . . . the one where Hightower takes down Lynch with the same shoulder he busted earlier in the same game? Yeah, that play was just as important. It just wasn't the final play of the game. Had it been, we'd be discussing it in the same vein as the Butler INT. Hightower transforms the D. It was evident multiple times last season where the run D was atrocious without him, and an almost immovable object with him. Go back and watch what happened in the DEN game after he went down. That game alone illustrates his importance. And as if he wasn't good enough, we went ahead and became better in man coverage when asked to do that. He has only gotten better with each season, starting when Mayo went down with the first season-ender. Which leads me to the caveat. High has shown a propensity to get injured. He plays through the pain because he's a warrior, but he has missed time multiple times. If you are going to pay someone top notch money, then you kind of want him on the field a lot. I'm not willing yet to label him, but he's knocking on the "injury prone" door.

C) And then there's the freak. Every few years a guy enters the league who seems like he was bred for nothing else in this life or the next. He's the kind of physical specimen that you speculate has to have been created in a lab or is on something (sadly). He's so physically gifted that those of us who have played a sport on a semi-serious level can't help but feel a little envious . . . man, what we would do if we could play like that! And that guy is on your team. He makes plays all over the field and the run D instantly becomes a stout force when he's in the game. And he's not even the biggest LB you'll find. Yet he takes on blocks, blitzes as well as I've seen any MLB (since its usually 4-2-5) in the league in the last five years (I know there's a few really good guys to consider). He can blitz the gaps, rush from outside, stop the run and, to a degree that still needs some improvement, he can cover well enough. He's smart - just as smart as High - and they both share the same great instincts. He's YOUNG. We could have this swiss army knife for many years to come! He plays all four downs, is gifted with incredible physical gifts, is smart and keeps his head pretty low off the field.

Now, imagine they all want top dollar for their respective positions. Wow, I don't envy Kraft, BB and the financial guys. That's pretty tough. Still, I believe we can make it happen. And that's not just wishful thinking.
 
Malcolm is not more valuable than High and Collins. Period.
I have said many times on here and in day-to-day life that High and Collins are way more important. Now, I still believe we can find a way to keep all three, but Butler is the most replaceable, though I hate using that word toward him. He's so good and he really has earned a new deal by out-of-this-worldly outplaying his current deal (forgive me if that's not a word:D). But it still doesn't change the fact that he is the lesser of the blows to sustain if you can't keep all three. This has the potential to really suck.:(
 
It was nice knowing ya Malcolm, thanks for the SB. 2016 will be your last season in NE. Ya he deserves a bump but he's now gone to the media (strike 1) and appears to be holding out of OTAs (would be strike 2), although not certain on that because several players weren't at the first OTA.

Just doing **** that is ultimately going to rub Belichick the wrong way. You don't see Jamie Collins out there going to the media about wanting a bump in pay the last two years when he's only made $800k in '14 $1m in '15 and $1m this year.
 
I consider this a fair deal for both sides.
Miguel, I like the analysis, but I would think the Pats can have him at that amount for 4 years, not 3. I like Butler a lot, but he seems like a player that has to play balls to the wall every single play to get the results he's getting. that's hard to do year in and year out. He has a huge injury risk over the next 2 seasons with a max overall salary of under 4K if the Pats tag him with a first round tender. A 5 million bonus today would be worth more than his expected salary over the next 2 years assuming he plays well and has no significant injuries.Add in a base salary of 1 million this year and a 5 million per year average for the following three seasons (21 million total over 4 years) and I don't see how he passes that up.
 
If Butler is paid every Undrafted FA will want to play here for a chance to make it and get paid.

Butler is a core player and has totally outplayed his contract, he will be extended for the same reason Gronk was extended before hitting the market.

We will sign the big 3 Butler, Hightower and Collins.
 
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Butler is a core player and has orally outplayed his contract
:confused: Is that from doing a masterful job calling coverage adjustments? Or maybe delivering inspirational halftime speeches?
 
It was nice knowing ya Malcolm, thanks for the SB. 2016 will be your last season in NE. Ya he deserves a bump but he's now gone to the media (strike 1) and appears to be holding out of OTAs (would be strike 2), although not certain on that because several players weren't at the first OTA.

Just doing **** that is ultimately going to rub Belichick the wrong way. You don't see Jamie Collins out there going to the media about wanting a bump in pay the last two years when he's only made $800k in '14 $1m in '15 and $1m this year.
I don't know if you're right or wrong about 2016 being his final season here, but I just wanted to say that I don't think he went to the media. The article said he's mentioned it to teammates and friends. He's entitled to do that and I'm sure it's something most players in the league do. From what I've read, he has not said a word to any media outlets and his agent has not returned any calls for comment.
 
Sign the beast

6/36 is a win win, team friendly, provides security.

He is a cornerstone piece of this D

He's 26. I don't think he'll want 6 years. If he gets a three year deal it will provide him the opportunity to cash in when he's 29. A six year deal would put him past his prime and possibly the "cash in" opportunity.

Get a decent 3 year deal that works for both sides. I agree he is an important part of the defense.
 
I don't know if you're right or wrong about 2016 being his final season here, but I just wanted to say that I don't think he went to the media. The article said he's mentioned it to teammates and friends. He's entitled to do that and I'm sure it's something most players in the league do. From what I've read, he has not said a word to any media outlets and his agent has not returned any calls for comment.

I listened to one of his interviews recently on WEEI and once they asked him about his contract status he clammed up. "Well thanks for having me on guys."
 
He's 26. I don't think he'll want 6 years. If he gets a three year deal it will provide him the opportunity to cash in when he's 29. A six year deal would put him past his prime and possibly the "cash in" opportunity.

Get a decent 3 year deal that works for both sides. I agree he is an important part of the defense.
Yeah, always interesting how fans' contracts are always heavily slanted to the organization, and maybe rightfully so in a lot of cases. But it's still interesting. Butler will not pigeon-hole himself like that at all. If he remains at this high level, or gets even better, he's going to have one more payday in line before the decline begins. He is every bit as good as we hoped for and seems to be getting better with time. I keep saying that I think it's possible to keep all three. I'm hoping that's what happens.
 
I love that deal but it's nowhere in the right zip code I'm afraid. 9th highest is way to low. He'll be looking for at least what Peterson got 2 years ago. I don't think he'll go Revis or Norman. Look at Peterson. Think that's his number IMO.

My deal acknowledges these facts
1.) Butler has only played in the NFL for two seasons.
2.) Butler has no leverage. Can't holdout. Otherwise, he will be an ERFA, not an RFA, after this year. Paying him like Peterson now ignores this fact.
3.) Butler will be an RFA after this year, and UFA after the 2017 season and may be tagged in 2018.
4.) Passes on his injury risk to the Patriots.
5.) Gives him a great chance at a 3rd contract.

Peterson signed his extension when he was due $13 million in cash the next two years. That 2 million of which was fully guaranteed. 11M was guaranteed for injury and would have become fully guaranteed in 2015.
 
Butler would seem to have very little leverage at this point.
 
hopefully hes willing to take a top 10 quality deal ala gronk. lock him in for 5 years at below top 5 money.

we need to sign him anyways, id rather do these guys now, and have them happy for this year then let it linger
 
FWIW - Patrick Peterson is 4 months younger than Butler
 
Miguel, I like the analysis, but I would think the Pats can have him at that amount for 4 years, not 3. I like Butler a lot, but he seems like a player that has to play balls to the wall every single play to get the results he's getting. that's hard to do year in and year out. He has a huge injury risk over the next 2 seasons with a max overall salary of under 4K if the Pats tag him with a first round tender. A 5 million bonus today would be worth more than his expected salary over the next 2 years assuming he plays well and has no significant injuries.Add in a base salary of 1 million this year and a 5 million per year average for the following three seasons (21 million total over 4 years) and I don't see how he passes that up.
He's only had 1 season playing against top NFL WRs to work on technique. In coverage, he may find a better rhythm in the next couple of years. And on the flip side, his balls-to-wall fearless physicality makes him great in run support, where few top CBs shine. And his underdog mentality makes him study in the film room - something he learned from Revis.

Very few will ever look like Revis in his prime, with that effortless mirroring of his man.
 
Miguel, I like the analysis, but I would think the Pats can have him at that amount for 4 years, not 3. I like Butler a lot, but he seems like a player that has to play balls to the wall every single play to get the results he's getting. that's hard to do year in and year out. He has a huge injury risk over the next 2 seasons with a max overall salary of under 4K if the Pats tag him with a first round tender. A 5 million bonus today would be worth more than his expected salary over the next 2 years assuming he plays well and has no significant injuries.Add in a base salary of 1 million this year and a 5 million per year average for the following three seasons (21 million total over 4 years) and I don't see how he passes that up.
I would hope every player on my team is playing this way.
 
Sign the beast

6/36 is a win win, team friendly, provides security.

He is a cornerstone piece of this D

No offense meant. Just find it difficult to believe that Butler would sign in 2016 a long-term deal that would make him the 28th highest paid cornerback.
 
If I were Butler and I was offered 6/36 I would laugh and increase my demands. I say offer him 3/30 which will fit alongside the remainder of Brady's window and allow him to get a mega contract with some other team afterwards if he does well.
 
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