Because Its the Offseason - Arian Foster spotted in Boston

robertweathers said:

The reason why is because Smith and Dillon were good.

Again, you are theorizing that there is a problem when there isn't one. 6 SB and 10 conference title game appearances is the greatest stretch of dominance the NFL has seen. You are nit-picking over running the football a few more times a game when A) there is no proof that it would have changed the outcome of the game and B) you have at QB the greatest who has ever played the position and you want to take the ball out of his hands. That makes zero sense. I'd like Tom to have a RB he can hand the ball off to when the passing game isn't going and catch some balls on 3rd down but that is not the reason they are losing AFCCG and SBs.


What team are you watching? You do know that before injuries hit they were averaging 35 ppg?

Brady sucks in key spots.....? Over their career who hasn't? What other QB would you rather have?



Defense is always important. Look at Denver last year. Look at NE in 2014, and SEA in 2013, Look at BAL in 2012....Why you don't think that is critical to a championship is beyond me.

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Antowain Smith was a cast off from Buffalo. He also failed numerous conditioning tests.

The point is, he was the lead back and the best we could have here for 2 SB rings. And they'd use him almost every single week to rush the ball, get a run game going, to open up the playbook for Brady.

Would you still have the opinion you have if 2007 never happened?

Rusty Griswold said:

Or, maybe you are backpedaling and have no real counter for it?

Answer this:

If we had, say, Maurice Jones Drew instead of Woodhead and Welker in 2011, do you think we win SB 46?

I say yes. Gronk could have blocked some smallish OLB off the line and we could have run the ball more, opened up playaction and it would have been game over, completely destroying the Giants predictable defensive gameplan.

Last time I checked, the people who played in the finesse shotgun spread offense, who were completely over-used, never helped us win a SB.

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You are the one back pedaling we were talking about the last defensive stand of the game. Then you changed the discussion. You maybe getting confused as for some reason you have decided to take on the entire board in back in forth discussion. But all I did was refute one point as I was not going to try and keep up with the multitude of other drivel you were spewing.

And I have no idea what MJD has to do with this but yes if we had one of the best running backs in the game it probably would have a made difference but we could do that with almost any position....if we had Calvin or Revis that year we probably win too. But I'm pretty sure these guys weren't available to us those years.

Rusty Griswold said:

Why is that funny? Did Goodell come in to grow the league and promote offense in 2006 or not?

I want Brady to be as consistent in the postseason as he is in the regular season.

I am a diehard Pats fan.

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In the postseason you play playoff teams often in bad weather. I would guess that most quarterbacks numbers slip a little in the postseason. The fact that Brady has been in 10 afccgs and won 6 of them indicates that he is a good postseason quarterback.

Can we get this thread back on track please?

This isn't about TB and a Rusty's try to hijack it.

Jason Cole reported the Pats interest in Foster is preliminary. So I'd say his being in town was more than just sight seeing, wouldn't you?

Rusty Griswold said:

No, I don;t think the word is arroagnt or prick. Of course not. I think he's ultra competitive with an ego (anyone that successful has one, so calm down), but he needs to learn to rein it in.

Yes.

Example:

Gomer Manning has 2 rings because he checked his ego at the door and handed it off the entire game.

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They did that b/c Manning ran out of steroids and my 13 year old runs faster than the MPH on his throws. Elway and Kubiak left him with no choice. I assure you if it was 2013 Manning he would have chucked it 40 times a game and had a similr outcome to 2013 vs SEA.

Rusty Griswold said:

I wish Brady did MORE of that, in particular in games he threw 2 INTs in, whether it be in the title game or the SB.

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QBs sometime throw 2, or 3 INTs. Look at the 2006 divisional vs SD in SD. Brady was terrible. He was getting killed. What he do? Lead them back from being down 21-13 in the 4th qtr.

Rusty Griswold said:

And, this doesn't apply to 2009, 2013, or even last year, for obvious reasons. I am talking about when the team was relatively healthy or loaded on offense, even without Gronk.

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Without Gronk this is a different offense. He makes that much of a difference.

Rusty Griswold said:

We can't just have it be about Moss/Welker or Gronk/Edelman. He's had more than just those guys, but he's been spoiled by them, that Ds set traps on him and he's taken the bait.

This isn't personal.

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Thats why they have Lewis, DA, Hogan and Bennett.

Rusty Griswold said:

I just hope we don;t see the continued pattern moving forward. Pats played INdy in the 2014 title game, so we all knew what was going to happen there.

As Brady ages, he's going to need to learn to lean more on the run game.

PS Yes I do think McDaniels being similar in age to Brady and thinking it's all abotu a shotgun spread, almost exclusively over and over, is a problem. Yes. I think his obsesesion for the ultimate match up by subbing constantly is a problem, yes.

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Why do you assume it is Brady's decision when to run or pass? JMD calls the plays and sometimes gives Tom the option to audible out. He only does that based on the personnel he has on the field. If you want to blame JMD for being pass-happy thats fine. He does it with a damn good reason.

We've beaten this to a pulp but you are claiming that there is a negative pattern developing. If the line, Lewis, DA and JE are healthy they win the SB last year and we are not having this silly discussion.

Rusty Griswold said:

I also think O'Brien's blow up at Brady in DC vs the Skins was legit and well deserved back in 2011, and is somewhat telling. O'Brien is a bit older than Brady, so I think the Weis father figure aspect kept Brady more in line from freelancing yes. We've never seen McDaniels do the tough love thing with Brady before. They're more like buddies. But, we've seen BB go over there when there's a crap offense that's stalled and make a suggestion. Yes.

I mean, there was a time where Brady would go shotgun spread from 1 in 2011. Happened in Pitt a few times that year and we barely beat the Skins when he threw that duck for INT to Underwood and then tried to blame Underwood because he was late with it.

Just saying.

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That was not freelancing. BOB blew up at Brady b/c Brady threw Tiquan under the bus for the INT. BOB told TB that he should have went somewhere else with the throw. Stop nit-picking.

Rusty Griswold said:

Antowain Smith was a cast off from Buffalo. He also failed numerous conditioning tests.

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He was also a 1st round talent who was phased out of BUF b/c they had other RBs who stayed healthy.

Rusty Griswold said:

The point is, he was the lead back and the best we could have here for 2 SB rings. And they'd use him almost every single week to rush the ball, get a run game going, to open up the playbook for Brady.

Would you still have the opinion you have if 2007 never happened?

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You are arguing that Corey Dillon would have won SB42 for the team. That argument is pointless.

ViperGTS said:

Jason Cole reported the Pats interest in Foster is preliminary. So I'd say his being in town was more than just sight seeing, wouldn't you?

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Was either a visit with the Pats or he's heard good things about TB12 Sports Therapy Center.

Rusty Griswold said:

It is.

I didn't say it wasn't critical.

Do you realize our SB 46 D held the Giants to 13 points until the final drive when they were gassed as all defenses are in domes at the end?

I would only want Brady, but he is part of the team and needs to be better in title games and SBs if he's going to win another.

He's not above the team.

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The Pats D was gassed because their 3rd down D was awful and TB12 had a seprated shoulder after he completed 16 passes in a row.

Rusty Griswold said:

I think a legit, solid 3 down back, maybe a second Donald Brown type who can run inside and out, catch and block, without being subbed relentlessly on and off, can HELP Brady.

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Dion Lewis says hi

Rusty Griswold said:

Why doesn't Brady tell Josh to stop subbing? They clearly don't think it's a problem. I do. I can call out the plays from my coach.

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Its not up to Brady to tell Josh and BB who and who doesn't play.

You are all over the place. Who is the problem in your eyes? TB or Josh? You might as well blame BB too.

robertweathers said:

The reason why is because Smith and Dillon were good.

Again, you are theorizing that there is a problem when there isn't one. 6 SB and 10 conference title game appearances is the greatest stretch of dominance the NFL has seen. You are nit-picking over running the football a few more times a game when A) there is no proof that it would have changed the outcome of the game and B) you have at QB the greatest who has ever played the position and you want to take the ball out of his hands. That makes zero sense. I'd like Tom to have a RB he can hand the ball off to when the passing game isn't going and catch some balls on 3rd down but that is not the reason they are losing AFCCG and SBs.


What team are you watching? You do know that before injuries hit they were averaging 35 ppg?

Brady sucks in key spots.....? Over their career who hasn't? What other QB would you rather have?



Defense is always important. Look at Denver last year. Look at NE in 2014, and SEA in 2013, Look at BAL in 2012....Why you don't think that is critical to a championship is beyond me.

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Why are you doing this to yourself? Why argue this when it's so flawed? He's free to believe what he is saying, I guess. LOL

PatsBoy12 said:

Why are you doing this to yourself? Why argue this when it's so flawed? He's free to believe what he is saying, I guess. LOL

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Well I need to shuttle the kids to soccer practice in a bit and I'm kinda killing time.

Source said that #Patriots interest in RB Arian Foster is "just preliminary."

Jason cole


Didnt see the thread

PlainOldEd said:

In the postseason you play playoff teams often in bad weather. I would guess that most quarterbacks numbers slip a little in the postseason. The fact that Brady has been in 10 afccgs and won 6 of them indicates that he is a good postseason quarterback.

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Oh, overall, he's very good. It's just that since 2007, his TD/INT ratio has skyrocketed after shifting from the WC/Perkins style offense he was better at under Weis.

That's all. He's been worse since 2007, having more autonomy and shifting offensive styles.

no arian foster plz

crownontherocks said:

Source said that #Patriots interest in RB Arian Foster is "just preliminary."

Jason cole



Didnt see the thread

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FYI, Cole is the same guy who said Slater would miss the next few weeks and then the NEXT DAY, he was practicing. So, grain of salt folks.

robertweathers said:

The Pats D was gassed because their 3rd down D was awful and TB12 had a seprated shoulder after he completed 16 passes in a row.



Dion Lewis says hi



Its not up to Brady to tell Josh and BB who and who doesn't play.

You are all over the place. Who is the problem in your eyes? TB or Josh? You might as well blame BB too.

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Dion Lewis is a prototypical scatback. If what you say is true, which clearly it;s not, Faulk, Woodhead, Vereen, White, etc, would be getting 12+ carries per game in this offene every week.

Scatbacks are not lead backs.

And, I'll wait for Dion Lewis to actually finish a season for once, thanks.

Stop talking to Rusty.

Kind of wanna just delete this entire thread and let the other one be the Arian Foster thread but I'm resisting.

Ross12 said:

Kind of wanna just delete this entire thread and let the other one be the Arian Foster thread but I'm resisting.

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You certainly have my permission as the OP to do so, if that counts for anything..

While I'm glad the "airport rumor" actually had some legs to it (now that it seems Foster did come in to see the Patriots), I'm embarrassed to have my name attached to this.

Rusty Griswold said:

What is the problem?

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Imagine this: you walk into a large living room full of people, as the friend of a friend of the host. You sit down, and within a few minutes literally half of the words being spoken are from your mouth, often in long rants, usually combative and defensive, positioning every conversation as a debate and insisting that you are right.

You completely ruin the tone and spirit of the conversation for everyone.

If you had family there, they'd be horrified and ask you to leave immediately.

Everyone would be wondering if you were psychotic or on a drug, simply because of the complete lack of awareness about social interaction and cues. There would be an initial response of sympathy mixed with irritation. As you kept it up, you would evoke anger and frustration from others. Some would be urging everyone to just leave you alone, to not provoke by engaging. Others would be trying to reason with you.

It would quickly become all about you, which in some way is what you came to the party for. How much destruction you did along the way would be irrelevant.