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You must have blocked this part out, but that blob Tolbert fumbled twice in the Superbowl. And after the first fumble Rivera inexplicably allowed him to run the ball again expecting a different result.

As for Brady there is a varying degree of responsibility for the championship game failures. In 2011 he had an extremely poor game by his standards against one of the few defenses to consistently give him trouble over the years. They still managed to pull this one out though.

In the 2012 game I can't put that much on Brady. Gronk was out, Welker dropped more open passes, Talib went out with his chronic hip condition, Hernandez alligator armed passes, Ridley got knocked out, Lloyd didn't consistently get open, and Branch was no longer a viable option. Not to mention the revenge factor for the Ratbirds.

With the surrounding talent in 2013 this one also can't be thrown at the feet of Brady. Gronk was out again, Hernandez incarcerated, Talib riding the pine again, Blount shut down, Matthew Slater getting snaps at wide out, Amendola playing on a bad groin, the oft concussed Austin Collie playing, Dobson on a bad foot, and Hooman as the number one tight end. Brady wasn't great but this undermanned team had heart and fought hard.

I struggle with how to divvy up responsibility for this last loss. In addition to the offensive lineman and both starting backs being out everyone on offense was playing hurt, Brady included. Ghost missed an extra point and their were some odd coaching decisions throughout the game. I feel this was more of a 50/50 deal.

Did Jonathan Stewart fumble? Was Tolbert subbed in for a predictable run play to allow that fumble to happen?

Without even looking, I bet Tolbert fumbles came when he was subbed in, telegraphing the play.

Even you saying that, misses my point. I know what I saw. Carolina never had Newton under Center as the base of their offense hammering the edges on Miller and Ware.

Can Newton stood in a shotgun over and over, even though he NEEDS a run game to work from as a QB in this league.

Brady can sometimes get away with it, because he's Brady. Newton? Absolutely not.

Riverboat Ron's mistake was listening to Cam Newton and what Newton wanted from SB 50s gameplan.

As for the 2012 title game loss, Gronk being out certainly hurt, but they were at home and Brady was bad as he was in the 2010 divisional loss to the Jets. I realize that's a problem, but he had plenty of other weapons in Welker, Hern, Branch, Lloyd, Edelman, etc. Woodhead. I mean, please. It's about balance.

Vs the Jets in the 2010 divisionals, remember them steamrolling down the field on the first drive and him throwing that screen to BJGE into a sea of green shirts?

Good god. What was that? From there, it just snowballed. Crumpler dropped the easy TD, and from there, panic mode started, when it didn't need to.

I am just saying, the shotgun spread addiciton problem is the problem. It can't always be 2007 with loaded weaponry all over, and even still, he's played poorl when he's had that.

Yeah, 2013, doesn't count. Way too undermanned on the road in Denver.

Brady ws abysmal in the 2007 and 2011 title games. I have no idea how we got to either SB. Oh wait, our D bailed him out both times, the much maligned D, unfairly so in an offensive era.
 
2 INTs?

His 1st and 3rd qtrs were awful and we almost lost! Did you not see what Browner/Butler had to do with an assist from Hightower? We needed a miracle and the greatest play in SB history by an UDFA to make those stats mean anything. Do you not get this?

In what universe was the D bailing out Brady there. Brady gave us the lead. The D let Seattle March down the field thankfully they made the play at the 1 to bail themselves out.

I guess Brady should have done more not to leave it in the Ds hand but that's easier said than done Seattle has a pretty good D you know.

Team win all the way.
 
Right. That and the miraculous Butler play, bro.

Once in a lifetime events.

You think that can be channeled every time out? Brady is human. Trust me.
Brady was playing lights out that whole quarter against an elite defense... Seattle needed a miracle catch to get down that deep into Pats territory and Butler answered in kind with a miracle catch of his own. Brady's performance was no inexplicable event - it was raw talent and intellect. To say otherwise is obtuse.
 
That's a shame that Foster was just visiting. We could have had the All-PUP offense from a skill position standpoint.
 
Thanks.

I'll take your lack of a counter as an invisible backpedal.

No- You should take it as I just played a quick 9 holes of golf and do not camp out on this board all day.

A) you have no concept on how awful and injured the o-line was and how everything with running the ball and play action starts with that. Brandon Bolden has done nothing to earn 15 carries in a playoff game. Nothing.

B) TB12 crappy in championship games?
2016- Hes was fine. Everyone else except Gronk had an awful day- The line was brutal.
2015- He kicked ass
2013- No Gronk- he was fine
2012- No Gronk and WW drops a key 3rd and 7. D falls apart on 2nd 1/2 w/o Talib.
2011- AFCCG- BAL is a tough team. He did enough. 1 legged Gronk and TB12 has a separated shoulder.
2007- High ankle sprain at end of JAX games catches up with him in AFCCG.

Even the greatest QBs don't win all their championship games but w/ 3 SB appearances and 6 AFCCG appearances to say he sucks in those games is like I said, misinformed.

I'm trying to be courteous and respectful with your posts but man you are off the deep end with some of the things you say.

You are dangerously close to troll-status.
 
No- You should take it as I just played a quick 9 holes of golf and do not camp out on this board all day.

A) you have no concept on how awful and injured the o-line was and how everything with running the ball and play action starts with that. Brandon Bolden has done nothing to earn 15 carries in a playoff game. Nothing.

B) TB12 crappy in championship games?
2016- Hes was fine. Everyone else except Gronk had an awful day- The line was brutal.
2015- He kicked ass
2013- No Gronk- he was fine
2012- No Gronk and WW drops a key 3rd and 7. D falls apart on 2nd 1/2 w/o Talib.
2011- AFCCG- BAL is a tough team. He did enough. 1 legged Gronk and TB12 has a separated shoulder.
2007- High ankle sprain at end of JAX games catches up with him in AFCCG.

Even the greatest QBs don't win all their championship games but w/ 3 SB appearances and 6 AFCCG appearances to say he sucks in those games is like I said, misinformed.

I'm trying to be courteous and respectful with your posts but man you are off the deep end with some of the things you say.

You are dangerously close to troll-status.

Oh my god.

High ankle sprain in 2007 eh? Could it be that happened because of what I am talking about here? Apparently, what I am saying is right over your head. If he has a sprain, why is he throwing MORE? lmao

I mean, every excuse you and others make, simply does not make sense. In every other world, coaches hide key players' injuries, they don't expose them. But, Brady thinks he infallible, apparently, and here we are blowing yet another big game over it.

I can tell you live in New England and don't really have any friends outside of the NE area.

That's the difference. Brady sucks in a playoff game, and fans outside of NE get absolutely hammered, with no defense from co-workers and friends, with nothing to say, because this is his show as a HOF QB.

And, that's with me ADMITTING the O Line wasn't good in the title game in January.

He can't avoid any accountability, though. Why do online Pats fans do this? They can't ever admit he sucked in a game or was mediocre, and not the real reason for a win.

I find it odd, he's not begging for a legit 3 down back from BB, too. Why is that? He's 39 and not getting younger, but somehow avacado ice cream can save the day?

You natives live in bubble, have no idea how badly Brady is hated, how he's seen as someone who went from being a team guy to a me guy, with the model wife, the limelight, etc, and how it's backfired so badly for him.

And, now, Deflategate.

1 legged Gronk in 2011's title game? That injury happened halfway through the game and BJGE was mysteriously benched after 8 carries and 50 yards at halftime. So, which is it? If Gronk is hurt, wouldn't it lend one to believe to block MORE for a run game and a lead at halftime?

You're proving my point for me.

In 2011, he was absolutely horrendous. Even he said so. Thanks to Sterling Moore and Cundiff, we won. I can't believe we got to SB 46 and these he's asleep at the wheel to start that SB. Remember?

His INT rate in 2011 was skyrocketing to an all time high in Nov 2011. He had 3 INTs vs Dallas at home, staring down binkies and then 2 vs the Giants, also staring down binkies. THe D was outstanding in both games, only suffering key losses to Spikes/Chung late in the Giants game, which set up the loss. But. I'll take a D pitching a shutout for a half or allowing a FG, all day everyday in this era.

In 2007, he was also horrendous for 3 INTs and only 2 Samuel INTs bailed that situation out, as did Laura Maroney's 22 carries and 122 yards, most of that when McDaniels woke up and told the O Line to start run blocking in the 4th.

This has been going on for almost a decade. There's a reason why his TD/INT ratio has gotten worse, namely because he's chosen to do this finesse shotgun spread thing, thinking he is so good, it's the best way to help the team win. It's only partially true and mainly NOT true vs good or great defenses, which show up in title games and SBs and sometimes in the divisional rd (Ravens 2009, Jets 2010).

Entering the 2013 postseason, his TD/INT ratio was 27 Tds, 17 INTs, since 2007 in the postseason, if I am not mistaken. That's off of memory after doing the research. That is pretty bad. Nowhere near a 2:1 ratio.

It's like Jay Cutler territory.

But, let's blame all the non-star players and everyone on the defense to deflect from the facts.

The only people misinformed are the ones in denial and trying to deflect from facts or promoting the ol ignorance is bliss theory, which in your case, appears to be the truth.

Hint: Why do you think BB dealt MOss in early 2010? It wasn't JUST because of MOss wanting a new deal. It was because Brady was awful, staring down Moss/Welker only, throwing INTs left and right.

Remember Week 2 vs the Jets in 2010?

Great first half, balanced offense, etc,....Then, what happened? INTs left and right and Brady was staring down Moss.

Loss.

PS The O Line was bad for 2 reasons this past AFC Title game:

1. Injuries
2. Lack of continuity.

Wait for it...........

3. Allowing Denver's frothing D to swarm and attack and dictate. A run game with 2 TEs blocking and Bolden getting a heavy work load early, would have stemmed the tide and gotten Brady to legit playaction by the 3rd qtr.

That's how deep this shotgun spread addiction is for Brady.
 
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Brady was playing lights out that whole quarter against an elite defense... Seattle needed a miracle catch to get down that deep into Pats territory and Butler answered in kind with a miracle catch of his own. Brady's performance was no inexplicable event - it was raw talent and intellect. To say otherwise is obtuse.

Was his awful INT to Lane early in the game intellect and talent, too? That's 3 points he threw away there.

What about the INT to Wagner, staring down a binky over the middle? You do realize, if he throws less, the chances of god awful decisions and throws are less, correct?

There needs to be a middle ground here.

IN fact, the winning% of this team is absolutely legendary when he throws less than 40 times, but don't let the facts get in the way.
 
In what universe was the D bailing out Brady there. Brady gave us the lead. The D let Seattle March down the field thankfully they made the play at the 1 to bail themselves out.

I guess Brady should have done more not to leave it in the Ds hand but that's easier said than done Seattle has a pretty good D you know.

Team win all the way.

Oh, I don't know, not allowing Seattle any points on the board in the 4th after Brady's 2 awful INTs? Outside of the awful drive the Pats D allowed right before half, the D was very good in that SB, needing to fend off 2 INTs, and momentum too many times due to a fledgling Pats offense.

Did Wilson throw an INT?

Did Manning throw an INT in SB 46?

Why is it, our HOF QB tosses wild INTs, isn't a great game manager anymore, but slightly above average QBs avoid throwing INTs in these games?

I know the answer...do you?

HINT: Those QBs KNOW they need a run game so they're not in the shotgun 40-50+ times in a game with a lead.

Yes, Brady SHOULD do more, like delegate some of the plays to a committed run game, get under Center more and manage the game better than he has been in title games and Super Bowls for a decade.

Brady was a BETTER QB under Weis than he was under McD Or O'Brien.

This isn't about chasing stats in the postseason for records......or, is it?

Face it, Ds have baited Brady in the past and he's taken the cheese.

SB 42?

What happened? Burress mouthed off and Brady said "only 17 points, huh?"

Whoops!

Sucks to admit, but that is what happened. They played right into it.
 
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POSTSEASON RECORDS

Wins

Brady: 22

SB Wins
Brady, Bradshaw, Montana: 4

SB Appearances
Brady: 6

SB MVP
Brady, Montana: 3

Conference Title Games
Brady: 10

Passing Yards
Brady 7,647

Passing TDs
Brady: 55

Passes Complete
Brady: 711

Comebacks
Brady: 6

Game Winning Drives
Brady: 9

Pass Attempts
Brady: 1,128
 
Oh, I don't know, not allowing Seattle any points on the board in the 4th after Brady's 2 awful INTs? Outside of the awful drive the Pats D allowed right before half, the D was very good in that SB, needing to fend off 2 INTs, and momentum too many times due to a fledgling Pats offense.

Did Wilson throw an INT?

Did Manning throw an INT in SB 46?

Why is it, our HOF QB tosses wild INTs, isn't a great game manager anymore, but slightly above average QBs avoid throwing INTs in these games?

I know the answer...do you?

HINT: Those QBs KNOW they need a run game so they're not in the shotgun 40-50+ times in a game with a lead.

Yes, Brady SHOULD do more, like delegate some of the plays to a committed run game, get under Center more and manage the game better than he has been in title games and Super Bowls for a decade.

Brady was a BETTER QB under Weis than he was under McD Or O'Brien.

This isn't about chasing stats in the postseason for records......or, is it?

Face it, Ds have baited Brady in the past and he's taken the cheese.

SB 42?

What happened? Burress mouthed off and Brady said "only 17 points, huh?"

Whoops!

Sucks to admit, but that is what happened. They played right into it.

Dude. Wow. You can argue Brady hasn't been at his best in championship games but you're waaaay over the top. You want us to look at what he did in Super Bowl 49 as anything less than legendary because of 2 early INTs?

Did Wilson throw an INT? Ummmmm.......yeah.
Did Manning throw an INT in Super Bowl 46? That's a totally fair comparison. Brady threw picks against a historically great defense in SB 49 and Manning was clean against, at the time, the 2nd worst pass defense in league history.

I'm all for saying Brady hasn't been a stud in every playoff game over the last decade. Super Bowl 49 though? Give me a break.
 
Oh, I don't know, not allowing Seattle any points on the board in the 4th after Brady's 2 awful INTs? Outside of the awful drive the Pats D allowed right before half, the D was very good in that SB, needing to fend off 2 INTs, and momentum too many times due to a fledgling Pats offense.

Did Wilson throw an INT?

Did Manning throw an INT in SB 46?

Why is it, our HOF QB tosses wild INTs, isn't a great game manager anymore, but slightly above average QBs avoid throwing INTs in these games?

I know the answer...do you?

HINT: Those QBs KNOW they need a run game so they're not in the shotgun 40-50+ times in a game with a lead.

Yes, Brady SHOULD do more, like delegate some of the plays to a committed run game, get under Center more and manage the game better than he has been in title games and Super Bowls for a decade.

Brady was a BETTER QB under Weis than he was under McD Or O'Brien.

This isn't about chasing stats in the postseason for records......or, is it?

Face it, Ds have baited Brady in the past and he's taken the cheese.

SB 42?

What happened? Burress mouthed off and Brady said "only 17 points, huh?"

Whoops!

Sucks to admit, but that is what happened. They played right into it.
Quite a rant there but not even close to what I called you out for. I'm not going to waste my time refuting all the non-sense there. I will however stick to my original point.

Brady threw 2 picks but he had bailed himself out and we had the lead when Butler had his pick. Obviously without that play and solid D all night we don't win but to say that play bailed out Brady is just dumb.
 
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Arian Foster is progressing well. Probably a week or two from being able to pass a physical, when his market will come into focus

Maybe an early Boston tour? He can't physically sign yet.

I hope we atleast inquire about him in two weeks. The Pats and The Dolphins are really the only two teams where he could get substantial playing time.
 
Oh my god.

High ankle sprain in 2007 eh? Could it be that happened because of what I am talking about here? Apparently, what I am saying is right over your head. If he has a sprain, why is he throwing MORE? lmao

He threw 3 picks b/c he had a high ankle sprain. You are not making sense.

I can tell you live in New England and don't really have any friends outside of the NE area.

Actually I have great friends all over the country and the world and have personally traveled extensively throughout Europe, Asia, Australia and Latin America. Your perception is misguided and uninformed.

That's the difference. Brady sucks in a playoff game, and fans outside of NE get absolutely hammered, with no defense from co-workers and friends, with nothing to say, because this is his show as a HOF QB.

He can't avoid any accountability. Why do online Pats fans do this? They can't ever admit he sucked in a game or was mediocre, and not the real reason for a win.

You natives live in bubble, have no idea how badly Brady is hated, how he's seen as someone who went from being a team guy to a me guy, with the model wife, the limelight, etc, and how it's backfired so badly for him.

Brady has been hammered on this board many times. You did not pay close enough attention.

You are arguing that a 4X Super Bowl Champion QB sucks in championship games. Repeat that a couple of times to yourself.

One thing is clear.....with the rest of the spewage you are bringing into the discussion demonstrates that you hate Tom Brady and incredibly jealous of his success that you need to find things to bash him over.

And, now, Deflategate.

What is your position? Tom told McNally and Jaz to deflate the balls and Tom lied to the world?

1 legged Gronk in 2011's title game? That injury happened halfway through the game and BJGE was mysteriously benched after 8 carries and 50 yards at halftime. So, which is it? If Gronk is hurt, wouldn't it lend one to believe to block MORE for a run game and a lead at halftime?

I was referring to the Super Bowl. That is a championship game.

You're proving my point for me.

The point that a 4X Super Bowl Champion sucks in championship games? Seriously....

In 2011, he was absolutely horrendous. Even he said so. Thanks to Sterling Moore and Cundiff, we won. I can't believe we got to SB 46 and these he's asleep at the wheel to start that SB. Remember?

Correct. He was not good that game. So he is penalized in your eyes because the defense did their job and their K missed a kick? To remind you, they won.

Hes had a number of bad playoff games. So has Aikman, Stabler, Montana, Starr, Bradshaw and Staubach. They all suck too.

His INT rate in 2011 was skyrocketing to an all time high in Nov 2011. He had 3 INTs vs Dallas at home, staring down binkies and then 2 vs the Giants, also staring down binkies. THe D was outstanding in both games, only suffering key losses to Spikes/Chung late in the Giants game, which set up the loss. But. I'll take a D pitching a shutout for a half or allowing a FG, all day everyday in this era.

In 2007, he was also horrendous for 3 INTs and only 2 Samuel INTs bailed that situation out, as did Laura Maroney's 22 carries and 122 yards, most of that when McDaniels woke up and told the O Line to start run blocking in the 4th.

This has been going on for almost a decade. There's a reason why his TD/INT ratio has gotten worse, namely because he's chosen to do this finesse shotgun spread thing, thinking he is so good, it's the best way to help the team win. It's only partially true and mainly NOT true vs good or great defenses, which show up in title games and SBs and sometimes in the divisional rd (Ravens 2009, Jets 2010).

Entering the 2013 postseason, his TD/INT ratio was 27 Tds, 17 INTs, since 2007 in the postseason, if I am not mistaken. That's off of memory after doing the research. That is pretty bad. Nowhere near a 2:1 ratio.

It's like Jay Cutler territory.

But, let's blame all the non-star players and everyone on the defense to deflect from the facts.

The only people misinformed are the ones in denial and trying to deflect from facts or promoting the ol ignorance is bliss theory, which in your case, appears to be the truth.

Hint: Why do you think BB dealt MOss in early 2010? It wasn't JUST because of MOss wanting a new deal. It was because Brady was awful, staring down Moss/Welker only, throwing INTs left and right.

Remember Week 2 vs the Jets in 2010?

Great first half, balanced offense, etc,....Then, what happened? INTs left and right and Brady was staring down Moss.

Loss.

PS The O Line was bad for 2 reasons this past AFC Title game:

1. Injuries
2. Lack of continuity.

Wait for it...........

3. Allowing Denver's frothing D to swarm and attack and dictate. A run game with 2 TEs blocking and Bolden getting a heavy work load early, would have stemmed the tide and gotten Brady to legit playaction by the 3rd qtr.

That's how deep this shotgun spread addiction is for Brady.

I can see why other posters are putting you on their ignore list in droves.

You are a bitter, miserable, cranky, angry soul.
 
He threw 3 picks b/c he had a high ankle sprain. You are not making sense.



Actually I have great friends all over the country and the world and have personally traveled extensively throughout Europe, Asia, Australia and Latin America. Your perception is misguided and uninformed.



Brady has been hammered on this board many times. You did not pay close enough attention.

You are arguing that a 4X Super Bowl Champion QB sucks in championship games. Repeat that a couple of times to yourself.

One thing is clear.....with the rest of the spewage you are bringing into the discussion demonstrates that you hate Tom Brady and incredibly jealous of his success that you need to find things to bash him over.



What is your position? Tom told McNally and Jaz to deflate the balls and Tom lied to the world?



I was referring to the Super Bowl. That is a championship game.



The point that a 4X Super Bowl Champion sucks in championship games? Seriously....



Correct. He was not good that game. So he is penalized in your eyes because the defense did their job and their K missed a kick? To remind you, they won.

Hes had a number of bad playoff games. So has Aikman, Stabler, Montana, Starr, Bradshaw and Staubach. They all suck too.



I can see why other posters are putting you on their ignore list in droves.

You are a bitter, miserable, cranky, angry soul.


Who are you talking to?
 
I'm just in the mood to argue.

Looks that way.

So, others can bash Brady here, but if I make complete sense over a decade's worth of data to back up my premise, somehow I am angry and a bitter soul? That makes no sense. The facts are the facts. Brady, like all QBs, are better with a run game.

Is this a board to talk Pats or no?

So, basically, Brady has been great in 3 Sbs with a true lead back (Smith/Dillon) and good/great in another (SB 49), with no lead back.

3>1.

And if Maroney did 22/122 vs SD In the 2007 title game and Brady had a sprained ankle in that game, why did Brady throw 50+ times with a 7-3 lead or trailing in a 10-7 game in SB 42?

Everywhere you turn to defend the preposterous silliness of repeating the same failed formula, there is no way out of it.

So, Adrian Foster 4 years ago likely would have forced Brady under Center more and won us SB 46, but a post Achilles Adrian Foster at age 30, doesn't make much sense.

My concern in January still stands. That concern is Brady and the Shotgun Spread Addiction vs a good/great D.

I know our D and STs will be there, but I am sorry, I wonder about Brady.

You act like I come with no facts and no reality of this serious problem, that may not be fixed, and only gets fixed when Brady respects a lead back he can hand off to.

Maroney, BJGE, Ridley, Bolden, Blount, etc, etc,...None of them were/are star players, and none of them was used as a true lead back against a good/great D.

Antowain Smith waasn't a star player, but Weis MADE SURE he was used for Brady.

That all changed when McDaniels came in here and it certainly changed in 2007.

A true lead back that is used in the postseason, has been an after-thought.
 
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Quite a rant there but not even close to what I called you out for. I'm not going to waste my time refuting all the non-sense there. I will however stick to my original point.

Brady threw 2 picks but he had bailed himself out and we had the lead when Butler had his pick. Obviously without that play and solid D all night we don't win but to say that play bailed out Brady is just dumb.

Or, maybe you are backpedaling and have no real counter for it?

Answer this:

If we had, say, Maurice Jones Drew instead of Woodhead and Welker in 2011, do you think we win SB 46?

I say yes. Gronk could have blocked some smallish OLB off the line and we could have run the ball more, opened up playaction and it would have been game over, completely destroying the Giants predictable defensive gameplan.

Last time I checked, the people who played in the finesse shotgun spread offense, who were completely over-used, never helped us win a SB.
 
Was his awful INT to Lane early in the game intellect and talent, too? That's 3 points he threw away there.

What about the INT to Wagner, staring down a binky over the middle? You do realize, if he throws less, the chances of god awful decisions and throws are less, correct?

There needs to be a middle ground here.

IN fact, the winning% of this team is absolutely legendary when he throws less than 40 times, but don't let the facts get in the way.

You do realize that you're picking apart two throws in what is sure to go down as one of the greatest passing performances in Super Bowl history, correct?
 
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