Because Its the Offseason - Arian Foster spotted in Boston

this millennial above has no clue. lets not dis Brady unless warranted. the guy has had a porous OL for 2 years, and he has a SB win and a loss to Denver in the AFCCG (which is on the OL)

rkarp1 said:

this millennial above has no clue. lets not dis Brady unless warranted. the guy has had a porous OL for 2 years, and he has a SB win and a loss to Denver in the AFCCG (which is on the OL)

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Ian, please ban RKrap now.^^

He's a Jets fan and a troll. He also works for ESPN and trolled the Boston Globe board for years.

Brady's SB OLine in 2014 was superb and 21 players on IR last year has nothing to do with a longstanding problem of racing to0 40+ passes, 2 INTs and a loss in big games vs good defenses.

Rusty Griswold said:

haha

I get it, dude. I realize it's a sensitive topic. And, I am truly not trying to start anything, but it's bee the elephant in the room for years. Years.

His TD/INT ratio has been poor and his INTs have skyrocketed, his game management not as good, decisions not as good, etc.

I am telling you, the key to him being better in title games, which means against the better Ds, is to go heavy early with two TEs, maybe even a FB, him under Center and to show the opposing D, we're fighting fire with fire.

If you look at the lower scoring, closer games vs the Ravens or even the Jets, two things happen, when they play it more old school a la Weis:

1. Brady is in control.
2. He doesn't race to 40+ passes.
3. He is under Center a bit more.

Sure, the games are closer, hang in the balance longer, but you never feel like they are not in control.

The D also plays very well because they get proper rest and can regroup and adjust.

I was reading the Titans offseason stuff recently and Jason McCourty said he was exicted about their "ground and pound" approach more so this year than in recent years, because it would give the D time to regroup and he felt they'd be better for it.

Basically, since 2007, Brady did what Manning did his Indy teams in a dome in postseasons, racing up and down the field passing it all over, but ending up blowing leads late, gassing out his own D, and usually losing.

Just saying.

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Yo, did you watch SB 49 though? Best D in 10 years? Seahawks?

37/50, 328, 4 TDS, 2 INTs, 101.1 QBR

That is a title game, if I'm not mistaken?

robertweathers said:

Everything you say in this post is uninformed.

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He's THE BLOVIATOR

AtomicDawg said:

Yo, did you watch SB 49 though? Best D in 10 years? Seahawks?

37/50, 328, 4 TDS, 2 INTs, 101.1 QBR

That is a title game, if I'm not mistaken?

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2 INTs?

His 1st and 3rd qtrs were awful and we almost lost! Did you not see what Browner/Butler had to do with an assist from Hightower? We needed a miracle and the greatest play in SB history by an UDFA to make those stats mean anything. Do you not get this?

It's a great thing Brady had that great 4th qtr. Do you honestly enjoy watching him fiddle throughout the entire game, throwing INTs in the end zone, INTs on 1st downs like that?

His 4th qtr is what made those numbers those numbers.

Excellent! I am glad he realized he had to bail himself out instead of looking like a deer in the headlights, wondering why this nightmare keeps happening, as he shoots past 40 pass attempts, looking over for the next shotgun spread playcall, to the delight of the opposing D.I don't want it to have to be that way, like he's on some personal quest for the ultimate Japanese gameshow, with our D under the gun constantly in an offensive era, where every single damn thing favors offenses, fantasy football, revenue, and yes, teams going to Europe and probably China.

So, yes, the 2 INTs thing is awful for a HOF QB. It's like clockwork. Good or great D, 40+ passes, 2 INTs, short fields, loss of momentum, possible loss, and our D blamed.

Good lord. Is this honestly a lot to ask in an easier offensive era, with all rules favoring offenses and QBs?

Do you realize we'd be talking about another choke job by Brady, with BB blamed yet again, if not for Hightower's tackle, and Browner/Butler at the goal line? Do you realize that?

Can't he throw 35 times, control the game a bit, and have just 1 or 0 INTs?

Is this a lot to ask at this point? It's what he used to do winning 3 SBs in 4 years.

And then he got jealous of Manning's attention from the media and stats. Whoops! I said it, didn't I?

Ivan said:

He's THE BLOVIATOR

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And you're insecure.

foster? no thanks

AtomicDawg said:

Yo, did you watch SB 49 though? Best D in 10 years? Seahawks?

37/50, 328, 4 TDS, 2 INTs, 101.1 QBR

That is a title game, if I'm not mistaken?

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Here's one:

2012 @ Seattle

50+ passes with a lead, 2 INts and 1/6 in the red zone. How does one go 1/6 in the red zone in this era anyway?

24-23 loss.

All blamed rookie Tavon Wilson, but we learned Brady was talking smack before the game.

Hmm.

Why on earth are we throwing that many times into the teeth of a good D? For years, everyone has known that if your QB is throwing that many times, it means your teams stinks, is trailing a lot, or they are having a bad day and have to catch up, or your D stinks.

Options 1 and 2 apply to our team. Remember the mid 90s Bledsoe teams? He used to throw a lot, right? Why? We'd be behind because the D wasn't that great yet (not until '96 when BB arrived), and that's why he'd throw a ton. Think 1994 vs Minny, down 20-0. That was the Kevin Turner OT win game, but that wasn't by choice.

This was 58 pass attempts with a lead!

Rating 79.3.

I don't know what his rating was at the end of the 3rd qtr of SB 49, but I can tell you it was in this ballpark.

It's like playing Russian Roulette, when we don't need to.

And, please don't start with how Ridley had 16 carries and 34 yards. He was being subbed on of and off so Brady could throw out of the shotgun 58 times with Woodhead as the back of choice.

FAIL

It's been failing for years. Stop subbing the backs to run shotgun spread plays.

IN fact, this is a perfect game to analyze, because our inside/outside RB of choice, Ridley, was subbed on and off, and in the red zone, which told the stout Seattle D what the playcall was.

And, then you look at Bolden and Woodhead's YPC, and they're both outstanding, Why? Runs from the draw, which is fine, but it can't be how you ice games or keep a D honest.

Scatback plays can't be how you move the sticks on the ground or finish in the end zone.

Rusty Griswold said:

2 INTs?

His 1st and 3rd qtrs were awful and we almost lost! Did you not see what Browner/Butler had to do with an assist from Hightower? We needed a miracle and the greatest play in SB history by an UDFA to make those stats mean anything. Do you not get this?

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Thank goodness almost counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

AtomicDawg said:

Yo, did you watch SB 49 though? Best D in 10 years? Seahawks?

37/50, 328, 4 TDS, 2 INTs, 101.1 QBR

That is a title game, if I'm not mistaken?

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By the way, your example is what I call an "outlier example".

For that 1 example right there, I can list easily a dozen games where his 40+ passes by choice with a lead or in a low scoring game, led to 2+ INTs, and we lose, not getting to 21 points+ scored vs a good/great D like a Seattle.

So, I defy you to pull another 40+ passing game vs a good or great D like that since 2007, but you won't find it.

Obviosuly, you'd have to pull a box score that qualifies a good/great D, but good luck in finding a game where Brady played well. There are also games against mediocre Ds, where it just unravels and we lose or barely win. @ Buffalo, Week 3 2012, comes to mind.

It's like a 12-1 shot or worse based on what you're saying.

Not great odds, dude, especially in an era that makes it easier on QBs.

For the love of god, just accept Brady is not infallible, it's a team sport, and we need an inside/outside lead back of sorts that can block well and catch at times, etc, where we're not constantly subbing said back to run shotgun spread plays just because.

I am little scared that this problem (on paper) still is not solved entering yet another season, but maybe, JUST MAYBE Donald Brown and someone like a Gaffney rise up and these are the guys.

Not using Bolden last AFC Title game was devastating to watch. If he gets 12 carries with Iosefsa active, I bet we win.

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Thank goodness almost counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

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That's your response?

Dude, this has been going on since SB 42 when it was clear Jim Johnson's (Philly's underrated Def Coordinator, RIP) blueprint at the end of 2007, proved our offense could be slowed down.

It's 2016.

Rusty Griswold said:

By the way, your example is what I call an "outlier example".

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That "outlier" gave us all a 4th Lombardi. So it was quite a Whammy, I'd say.

Rusty Griswold said:

That's your response?

Dude, this has been going on since SB 42 when it was clear Jim Johnson's (Philly's underrated Def Coordinator, RIP) blueprint at the end of 2007, proved our offense could be slowed down.

It's 2016.

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I mention a game from 2 years ago, and you mention one from 8 YEARS AGO? Yeah, OK.

AtomicDawg said:

That "outlier" gave us all a 4th Lombardi. So it was quite a Whammy, I'd say.

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No, it didn't.

It gave us 1.

SB 49.

1 SB win out of 4 is 25%.

2 other SB losses makes it worse.

The only example in your favor is SB 38, but he threw his lone INT in the end zone which threw away a FG and 3 points and he had to be great while trailing there, too. So, it makes sense that he ended up with over 40 passes, when trailing. My points don't apply to when trailing in what was sort of a shootout style game in the 2nd half.

Look, he's the best QB ever. I am asking for better approach and gameplanning from BB, Brady and McD.

This only started, though, when McD arrived. Smells.

There is no way Weis would have been this bad in big games or allowed the problems to fester in-game like that.

Brady also has full autonomy, so it's up to him to check in and out and not take the bait from the opposing D. Normally, he's great with it, but there is a point in the game, where they get completely sucked in and get back to the shotgun spread crack pipe, and it's over. It;s too late.

I knew we lost the title game this past year by the end of the 1st qtr.

Rusty Griswold said:

For that 1 example right there, I can list easily a dozen games where his 40+ passes by choice with a lead or in a low scoring game, led to 2+ INTs, and we lose, not getting to 21 points+ scored vs a good/great D like a Seattle.

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seems like you should be blaming josh mcdaniels for his pass-heavy offensive game plans, rather than blaming brady for doing what his OC asks him to do.

4th quarter of SB XLIX bro

AtomicDawg said:

I mention a game from 2 years ago, and you mention one from 8 YEARS AGO? Yeah, OK.

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Well, I can name probably 4 per year when Brady's had his toys.

2007, 2010, 2011, 2012 and even 2014. Both in-season and postseason. This means there's a longstanding pattern.

Get it?

I want a run game where defenses have to respect the run AND pass without Brady telegraphing the play.

Why would any Pats fan NOT want this?

bbobbo said:

seems like you should be blaming josh mcdaniels for his pass-heavy offensive game plans, rather than blaming brady for doing what his OC asks him to do.

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I do. But, I also see blame with Brady since it's essentially his offense as a HOF QB. And, BB gets blame, too.

But, if Brady prefers the shotgun spread (Oct 2010 WEEI Radio, Dennis and Callahan), and he's a HOF QB and BB defers to his HOF QB, whose responsibility is it?

What I noticed is this:

McDaniels and O'Brien are the same. You can't tell the difference, which tells me the person who is really in charge is #12.

Unfortunately, Brady has become so good, only a Pro Bowl RB, apparently, would force him to be under Center more, which is not in the cards based on the current salary cap.

Remove Amendola more, use heavy sets more, commit to a lead back more, do less subbing against the good/great Ds, and I can guarantee you this team is in Houston for SB 51.

Guarantee you.

Ross12 said:

4th quarter of SB XLIX bro

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Right. That and the miraculous Butler play, bro.

Once in a lifetime events.

You think that can be channeled every time out? Brady is human. Trust me.

Rusty Griswold said:

People were clamoring for Jackson to come to camp? The guy could barely move! I don't disagree with BB much, but burying Jackson and then not having faith in using him in the title game, keeping him active, etc, is a big reason why they lost vs Denver.

I would have gone all in with Bolden as the lead back, told him to prepare for 15 carries, and promoted Iosefa, gone heavy, and hammered Miller and Ware on the edges for much of that first half.

By the 3rd qtr, they would have had a nice short pass game going, some playaction and a steady run game of some kind.

I still can't believe it. And, to see Carolina copy our approach? Why? They had Stewart and Tolbert!

Inexplicable.

Well, sadly, it is able to be explained, and quite honestly as great as Brady is, he's not that great in title games since 2007.

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You must have blocked this part out, but that blob Tolbert fumbled twice in the Superbowl. And after the first fumble Rivera inexplicably allowed him to run the ball again expecting a different result.

As for Brady there is a varying degree of responsibility for the championship game failures. In 2011 he had an extremely poor game by his standards against one of the few defenses to consistently give him trouble over the years. They still managed to pull this one out though.

In the 2012 game I can't put that much on Brady. Gronk was out, Welker dropped more open passes, Talib went out with his chronic hip condition, Hernandez alligator armed passes, Ridley got knocked out, Lloyd didn't consistently get open, and Branch was no longer a viable option. Not to mention the revenge factor for the Ratbirds.

With the surrounding talent in 2013 this one also can't be thrown at the feet of Brady. Gronk was out again, Hernandez incarcerated, Talib riding the pine again, Blount shut down, Matthew Slater getting snaps at wide out, Amendola playing on a bad groin, the oft concussed Austin Collie playing, Dobson on a bad foot, and Hooman as the number one tight end. Brady wasn't great but this undermanned team had heart and fought hard.

I struggle with how to divvy up responsibility for this last loss. In addition to the offensive lineman and both starting backs being out everyone on offense was playing hurt, Brady included. Ghost missed an extra point and their were some odd coaching decisions throughout the game. I feel this was more of a 50/50 deal.