Robert Kraft joins the NFL and asks federal court to dismiss Pats Fans lawsuit over lost draft pick

PatsFanSince74 · May 6, 2016

QuantumMechanic said:
As I understand it, Kraft was named as a defendant in the suit. He quite reasonably is asking to have the counts against him dismissed. Hard to have a problem with that.

Now, if he went further and also signed on to an NFL request to dismiss the suit entirely, that's a different story. But I don't think that's what happened.

OK.

RobertWeathers · May 6, 2016

mosi's man said:
Kraft is emblematic of America today. He's not a bad guy: this is just what the country has come to for rich people. The real scandal of the offseason isn't Deflategate, it's the move of the Rams to L.A.. You screw a great fan base and move a franchise from a place where people live and die football to a place where no one gives a **** solely to make a bunch of billionaires even richer. 30 of 31 teams voted for it including Kraft (I exclude Green Bay). Oakland was the sole team to vote against only because they wanted to move there (and screw over their own fanbase). Any sense that the league was about community, never mind "family", has become a myth. Kraft has operated under the "it's just business" model for so long he doesn't get it. A month ago he stated that Goodall is doing an excellent job aside from Deflategate. Are you kidding me? Kraft is Goodall, and will screw his fanbase if he has to because it's all about business. This is what America has come to. The dealings of the NFL are America in a nutshell. We continue in our individual fanbases and only get pissed if our own team is getting screwed. It's why Trump and Bernie resonate; wrong messengers but valid message. Kraft is a symptom of the disease, not a cause.

The Rams weren't making money. Their stadium was a dump.

Look on the bright side, at least the Rams didn't move to Mexico

Deus Irae · May 6, 2016

robertweathers said:
The Rams weren't making money. Their stadium was a dump.

Look on the bright side, at least the Rams didn't move to Mexico

It's too bad they didn't. After eating Mexican meats, the entire team would have ended up suspended. That would have been a glorious moment for the Ommish.

MassPats38 · May 6, 2016

QuantumMechanic said:
As I understand it, Kraft was named as a defendant in the suit. He quite reasonably is asking to have the counts against him dismissed. Hard to have a problem with that.

Now, if he went further and also signed on to an NFL request to dismiss the suit entirely, that's a different story. But I don't think that's what happened.

This character went after Kraft for a default judgment claiming Kraft had not responded quickly enough, was explained the rule on defaults by Kraft's attorney and asked to withdraw a frivolous motion (apparently he needed a lesson in civil procedure), and when he did not withdraw the motion Kraft's attorneys started filing.

In effect, that legal team waited as long as it could (I expect hoping this thing would mercifully die quickly, the victim of a dose of common sense and legal reasoning), and filed a response at the last minute when it was apparent that was not going to happen.

This quote is a footnote added by the Morgan, Lewis attorney. I seriously doubt Kraft is writing or even reviewing this response to a hack complaint/non-attorney quality complaint by a plaintiff who applied for in forma pauperis status to appeal (the hallmark of all great litigators) the TRO decision from a judge I firmly believe was trying to save from sanctions.

I would complain if Kraft joins in a motion for sanctions, which I fully expect the NFL will be requesting for this drivel.

reflexblue · May 6, 2016

Ivan said:
He is trying to show the owners that he's one of the 32." Once again Kraft's loyalties are in the wrong place.

Benidict Bob is but a lap dog to the 31 other owners.

reflexblue · May 6, 2016

Elijah said:
Where's the guy with the Archer avatar whose dad is either Kraft or Goodell?

He must have been around to give you the dislike.

mosi's man · May 6, 2016

robertweathers said:
The Rams weren't making money. Their stadium was a dump.

Look on the bright side, at least the Rams didn't move to Mexico

According to Forbes, the St. Louis Rams, in September 2015 had a value of 1.45 billion dollars. When Kroenke completed purchase of the team in 2010 the estimated value was 750 million. So the value doubled in five years.

Prior to the teams departure, the Missouri task force put together as a means of keeping the Rams in St. Louis unveiled plans to build a 985 million dollar riverfront stadium for the team. Public money would have comprised a couple hundred million dollars of that total.

To suggest that the Rams weren't making money is not accurate. Were they maximizing revenue compared to a move to L.A.? Of course not, but they were highly profitable.

Stan Kroenke is worth an estimated 8 billion dollars. He is a business man, I get that, and the Rams are an asset. He has the right to maximize his asset. But there was a time when many owners of sports teams saw themselves as stewards of a community asset as well as owners of a product. In fact, this used to be how a lot of business owners felt. No longer.

RobertWeathers · May 6, 2016

mosi's man said:
According to Forbes, the St. Louis Rams, in September 2015 had a value of 1.45 billion dollars. When Kroenke completed purchase of the team in 2010 the estimated value was 750 million. So the value doubled in five years.

Prior to the teams departure, the Missouri task force put together as a means of keeping the Rams in St. Louis unveiled plans to build a 985 million dollar riverfront stadium for the team. Public money would have comprised a couple hundred million dollars of that total.

To suggest that the Rams weren't making money is not accurate. Were they maximizing revenue compared to a move to L.A.? Of course not, but they were highly profitable.

Stan Kroenke is worth an estimated 8 billion dollars. He is a business man, I get that, and the Rams are an asset. He has the right to maximize his asset. But there was a time when many owners of sports teams saw themselves as stewards of a community asset as well as owners of a product. In fact, this used to be how a lot of business owners felt. No longer.

Valuation and making money are not the same.

They were near the bottom of the barrel in many categories.

St Louis Rams on the Forbes NFL Team Valuations List

mosi's man · May 6, 2016

robertweathers said:
Valuation and making money are not the same.

They were near the bottom of the barrel in many categories.

St Louis Rams on the Forbes NFL Team Valuations List

No one suggested that the Rams weren't low on the valuation list. That's actually the point. At 1.5 billion dollars, the Rams are not very valuable by NFL standards because all the franchises have great value. Regardless, it is hard to deny that they were both valuable and profitable. Every NFL franchise is both. A team could play on Mars and still make lots of money. But making billions of dollars just isn't enough for Stan, and Bob, and Jerry, and the rest. They have to make even more, holding cities and fan bases hostage as they go. And screw you if you don't like it.

The NFL has become FIFA. A corrupt enterprise that happens to have a monopoly on a fantastic product that can't lose money no matter how badly it is run.

Ice_Ice_Brady · May 6, 2016

mosi's man said:
A team could play on Mars and still make lots of money.

But the money would weigh less, so would it also be worth less?

reflexblue · May 6, 2016

Has anyone noticed Fraudger has stopped his public gloating since Olsen joined bradys legal team?

RobertWeathers · May 6, 2016

mosi's man said:
No one suggested that the Rams weren't low on the valuation list. That's actually the point. At 1.5 billion dollars, the Rams are not very valuable by NFL standards because all the franchises have great value. Regardless, it is hard to deny that they were both valuable and profitable. Every NFL franchise is both. A team could play on Mars and still make lots of money. But making billions of dollars just isn't enough for Stan, and Bob, and Jerry, and the rest. They have to make even more, holding cities and fan bases hostage as they go. And screw you if you don't like it.

The NFL has become FIFA. A corrupt enterprise that happens to have a monopoly on a fantastic product that can't lose money no matter how badly it is run.

Since the beginning of time, owners have always wanted to make money and be profitable. Dodgers move from Brooklyn to LA....Giants from NY to SF.

While still making money, DET, STL and other teams in small markets do not enjoy the revenue streams and levels of profitability as the larger market teams. IMO their valuations are more determined by their market opportunity and business partners as opposed to their individual earning power and balance sheet.

Bill Lee · May 6, 2016

mosi's man said:
The NFL has become FIFA. A corrupt enterprise that happens to have a monopoly on a fantastic product that can't lose money no matter how badly it is run.

Of course, 'badly run' is relative to your goals. If it's to make fans happy in STL it's badly run. If it's to make guys like Stan and Jerrah and Roger a lot of money it's well run. The fact that the NFL all may implode some day is most likely someone else's problem, these asshats are taking out their profits in real time and presumably stashing them in some nice safe offshore bank. As Mark Cuban said, pigs feed at the trough and hogs get slaughtered. Stan and Jerrah and Roger are hogs.

IllegalContact · May 6, 2016

PatsFanSince74 said:
The lawsuit is dumb, but Kraft could have abstained as a sign of solidarity with his fans.

He didn't.

What's new?

This and a dollar is worth a dollar

IllegalContact · May 6, 2016

reflexblue said:
Benidict Bob is but a lap dog to the 31 other owners.

this is such a stupid statement

IllegalContact · May 6, 2016

robertweathers said:
Valuation and making money are not the same.

They were near the bottom of the barrel in many categories.

St Louis Rams on the Forbes NFL Team Valuations List

sure they are.......if the valuation of something increases, you're making money

RobertWeathers · May 6, 2016

IllegalContact said:
sure they are.......if the valuation of something increases, you're making money

I'm looking at it from a net income pov

vyrago · May 6, 2016

PatsWickedPissah said:
Where's Emily Latella when we need her?

As dead as this lawsuit.

mosi's man · May 6, 2016

robertweathers said:
Since the beginning of time, owners have always wanted to make money and be profitable. Dodgers move from Brooklyn to LA....Giants from NY to SF.

While still making money, DET, STL and other teams in small markets do not enjoy the revenue streams and levels of profitability as the larger market teams. IMO their valuations are more determined by their market opportunity and business partners as opposed to their individual earning power and balance sheet.

I get that. Everything you say is true. It doesn't change the reality that, in my opinion, it sucks when the goal of maximizing profit becomes the sole driving force for business decisions either in or out of sport. The city of St. Louis, by reasonable estimates, supported the Rams to the tune of about 500 million tax payer dollars from 1992 to the present. The fan base (considered the best in baseball with the Cardinals the among the most lucrative teams in baseball) was excellent. The value of the franchise, as noted above, doubled in five years above and beyond the yearly profits garnered. Yet that still wasn't enough. When I hear the NFL talk about "family" nevermind "community" I want to vomit.

RobertWeathers · May 6, 2016

mosi's man said:
I get that. Everything you say is true. It doesn't change the reality that, in my opinion, it sucks when the goal of maximizing profit becomes the sole driving force for business decisions either in or out of sport. The city of St. Louis, by reasonable estimates, supported the Rams to the tune of about 500 million tax payer dollars from 1992 to the present. The fan base (considered the best in baseball with the Cardinals the among the most lucrative teams in baseball) was excellent. The value of the franchise, as noted above, doubled in five years above and beyond the yearly profits garnered. Yet that still wasn't enough. When I hear the NFL talk about "family" nevermind "community" I want to vomit.

I agree with you completely.

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