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I have always been intrigued by the high level of commitment and admiration US citizens bestow upon the armed forces. It is an interesting phenomenon.
 
I have always been intrigued by the high level of commitment and admiration US citizens bestow upon the armed forces. It is an interesting phenomenon.

It was not always so.
-The Military was committed to by the public pre-vietnam, but not so much admired. It was a duty obligation era thing then.
-Vietnam and 70s: Soldiers were despised and spat upon/viewed as criminals who got sent there by judges or guys who couldnt get a real job
-80s (and Reagan) changed all that. 10 years of all-volunteer army and the reagan buildup qualitatively changed the military and gave the public reasons to admire the Military.
-90s-today have lived off that late 80s rep and philosophies

And isnt even so today.
there are, in every age, plenty of ideologues (generally leftists) who generally while trying to diminish an opposing politician, actually tarnish and disparage soldiers (in some cases near treasonously aid/comfort the enemy). There are plenty of those around.
--- Ex: punk dem congsman from PA who claimed Bush war was violating law of war and Soldiers in iraq were murderers rapists etc. his diatribes got great play in arab press. No telling how many prepubescent jihadi suicide bombers got convinced we are the great evil by john murtha

And you don't...?

I think you are forgetting, pats attract a lot of non-American fans.
 
It was a bad draft pick anyway - but if it becomes a bad draft pick that isn't even allowed to play his second year it's a total failure. It's not his fault and it's not the Navy's fault, just a waste. Using a 5th round pick so a long snapper - LONG SNAPPER - gets to play last year is a waste of a 5th round pick.

What is the going cut rate on 5th rounders league wide? I would not be shocked if only 50% played 2+ years.

ST plays are critical. Mistakes on ST result in points for the other guy and only consistently good/perfect execution gets you points.

BB always had a higher value on ST than the other teams and every team drafts a Position of need 1-2 rounds sooner than theoretical 'value'. Ls was a position of desperate need at that time.

Im not bothered by the use of a 5th, even if cardona never plays another down, which i seriously doubt. Maybe not 16 or even 17, but 'he'll be back!'
 
This boat will be beginning sea trials this summer and will be delivered to the Navy later this year.
It will be berthed on the West Coast.
Thought article said Baltimore??
 
Thought article said Baltimore??
According to March 2016 post in Defense News, ship will be commissioned October 15 in Baltimore and arrive in San Diego in early December for combat sea trials.
 
I like Cardona and like the pick and don't have any issues with him fulfilling his commitment. I'm sure they happened, but I can't recall any poor snaps from Cardona--can't say the same about Aiken. Hope the LS they signed is close to Cardona's level.
 
BS they are.. Otherwise the Pats wouldn't have been stuck with Aiken for 2 years.. Please stop with these ridiculous statements..

BTW, if LS were a dime a dozen, BB wouldn't have had to call Brian Kinchen out of retirement back in 2004 to snap for the Pats after they lost Paxton and McDermott..

Funny how you dislike things when they are fact based..
 
5 Long Snappers drafted in the last 15 years (Cardona + 4) :

Long Snapper Draft Picks - NFL - DraftSite.com

Even Long Snappers don't expect to be drafted :

Even the long snapper couldn't believe Lions used a draft pick on him

"I was very surprised," Landes said, via mlive.com. "I was expecting free agency, just because I know how rare long snappers get drafted. I wasn't expecting anything in the draft."

I like Cardona and I'm glad he's on our team. But it's OK to admit he was an UDFA value taken in the 5th round.

Just because they don't expect to get drafted doesn't mean it's a waste of a pick. But, why let facts get in the way. Who cares if we've given plenty of examples already of why you're wrong on this.
 
Steve Belichick could give it a shot.o_O
 
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Just because they don't expect to get drafted doesn't mean it's a waste of a pick. But, why let facts get in the way. Who cares if we've given plenty of examples already of why you're wrong on this.
Other than Cardona, four - FOUR - have been drafted in 15 years. And one of those was Belichick's boy Robinson. Maybe I'm wrong about the value of long snappers but long snappers are almost never drafted. There's nothing else to say.
 
Working in service of your country > playing for a sporting team. There's a bigger game at play and truthfully, it's difficult to find fault in this.
 
Other than Cardona, four - FOUR - have been drafted in 15 years. And one of those was Belichick's boy Robinson. Maybe I'm wrong about the value of long snappers but long snappers are almost never drafted. There's nothing else to say.

You might be right, you might be wrong, but either way, it's clear you don't understand the way the team operates. It isn't about what the Kipers or the Mayocks or the armchair QBs think or say.

The Patriots are one of a few teams that don't subscribe to any of the scouting services, and part of that reason is that they evaluate players completely different. Players aren't considered in terms of round (this guy is a 2nd rounder, this guy is a 4th rounder, et cetera). Instead, they are evaluated against the existing roster, compared against what we have and whether they could be upgrades or not, and whether there is a role for them.

That's why guys like Mark Anderson had success here despite flaming out before and after. The Bears and Bills wanted him to be a do-it-all starter and drafted or paid him accordingly. But BB knew what he was, and more importantly, what he wasn't. He found a role for him, a place on the roster where we could use his skillset.

And that's why a guy like Cardona makes sense in the 5th regardless of what you or Kiper or anyone else thinks. He was a clear upgrade at that spot, he might not have lasted until the next round, and he was significantly better than all of the other long snappers available. For a team with a ton of depth and no glaring holes, the pick makes a ton of sense. Maybe the Jaguars or Dolphins can't afford to make that pick because they have much bigger needs, but the upgrade at that spot was well worth a 5th-round pick.

They could have drafted a project at WR or a high-potential RB. But would it be a clear upgrade? For example, if that WR gets some snaps and catches 25 passes, you're thinking that's better than a 5th-round long snapper. But those catches might come at somebody else's expense. It looks good on paper, but it really isn't a net benefit if the guy he replaced could have caught 25 passes too. It's only a benefit if the guy he replaced was worse and might only catch 15 of those passes. Otherwise you're just adding redundancy to the position.

But Cardona was a clear-cut upgrade at an under-rated but pretty vital position. You can make fun of long snappers all you want, but I don't think you'll find 5 5th-rounders in last year's draft who were bigger upgrades at positions on their respective teams.

I'd take it one step further. Cardona was a bigger upgrade at his position than Richards or Grissom or Flowers were at theirs. Jackson and Mason both started games, but were they significant upgrades over Wendell and Connolly the year before? I'd argue not really, maybe slight upgrades, although they both have potential to grow while the old guys are declining. But neither was an upgrade to the level of Cardona, who probably was a bigger upgrade at his position than all of the Patriots rookies except for Brown (some might even argue over Brown).

And when you add up the punts, FGs, and XPs, Cardona executed his job 158 times. That's roughly 14% of the team's offensive snaps. He's not kicking the ball either. He's snapping to a precise location, then getting hammered by a much bigger guy and then running down the field to put a hat on somebody. And sure, it's not as difficult as deciphering a defense or running through a double-team and making a one-handed catch, but that's a lot of plays to perform on, and if you mess it up once, everyone remembers it. I noticed maybe 2 or 3 slightly-off snaps, and the rest of the time it was fine.

As for the long snapper Detroit drafted who was surprised, I don't know why. No surprise, former Patriot Director of Scouting Bob Quinn, who had been with the team in various capacities for 15 years, became the Lions GM this year.

Long snappers are like referees, you don't notice them when they're doing their job, you only notice when they **** up. And Cardona was incredibly unnoticeable as a rookie. Which was absolutely fine with me.
 
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Long snappers are like referees, you don't notice them when they're doing their job, you only notice when they **** up. And Cardona was incredibly unnoticeable as a rookie. Which was absolutely fine with me.
Really, that's the crux of it. If I don't notice stuff ups on Special Teams then they've done their job. Unfortunately, we noticed one major ST stuff up in the AFC Championship game and it contributed to putting the Patriots in a hole.
 
I have always been intrigued by the high level of commitment and admiration US citizens bestow upon the armed forces. It is an interesting phenomenon.

To be quite fair, without the US armed forces the world would be speaking either German, Japanese or a mix of the two. That alone should be enough.
 
Excuse me as I am Canadian and I don't follow the College football games. I seem to remember that there is a great rivalry between Army and Navy each year. I've seen Navy guys drafted but has there been any Army ones drafted?
 
Other than Cardona, four - FOUR - have been drafted in 15 years. And one of those was Belichick's boy Robinson. Maybe I'm wrong about the value of long snappers but long snappers are almost never drafted. There's nothing else to say.

He went to the Naval Academy... There is no QUESTION about it. He has to serve.. It was his choice to join the Navy; just because he was drafted is irrelevant. David Robinson of the Spurs had to do the exact same thing.
 
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