What happened to Tunsil proves that Brady was 100% right in destroying his phone

OTL: Tunsil camp investigates ex-adviser in hack

Apparently Tunsil's troubles all come from a cell phone that a man he hired as a financial advisor gave him. Once Tunsil signed with an agent, the agent told him that they financial advisor wasn't licensed and is basically just someone who is hired by other agents to funnel people towards a particular agent and or financial advisor.

So after Tunsil fired him, he gave him back the phone. The guy then used the phone and Tunsil's stored passwords to his social media accounts to cost him 10 million dollars in a few minutes!

Could you imagine what the Wells and the NFL would have done with Brady's phone?

Stuff like this nearly makes me sick my stomach when I consider the amount of effort that has gone into smearing Tom Brady and the legions of morons and idiots that deny all of the evidence and science in favor of Brady versus the crap the league has put out. The league had no goddamn right to demand his phone and Brady had every right to deny them. This kid Tunsil, like so many naive millenials these days lack the life experience to understand how their actions today will forever be preserved in the internet galaxy. I shutter to think what stupid pictures and things would exist if this technology existed when I was as young and stupid.

FreeTedWilliams said:

OTL: Tunsil camp investigates ex-adviser in hack

Apparently Tunsil's troubles all come from a cell phone that a man he hired as a financial advisor gave him. Once Tunsil signed with an agent, the agent told him that they financial advisor wasn't licensed and is basically just someone who is hired by other agents to funnel people towards a particular agent and or financial advisor.

So after Tunsil fired him, he gave him back the phone. The guy then used the phone and Tunsil's stored passwords to his social media accounts to cost him 10 million dollars in a few minutes!

Could you imagine what the Wells and the NFL would have done with Brady's phone?

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Nice try, but the request was for text messages and emails based on a list of search terms, not the phone itself.

And even if they did want Brady's phone, the scandal was not that he didn't provide it, but that he got rid of the phone, and all of the data on it, immediately before being interviewed by Wells.

letekro said:

Nice try, but the request was for text messages and emails based on a list of search terms, not the phone itself.

And even if they did want Brady's phone, the scandal was not that he didn't provide it, but that he got rid of the phone, and all of the data on it, immediately before being interviewed by Wells.

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His attorneys and Wells specifically hashed out that his phone would not be required before he destroyed his phone.

fair catch fryar said:

Stuff like this nearly makes me sick my stomach when I consider the amount of effort that has gone into smearing Tom Brady and the legions of morons and idiots that deny all of the evidence and science in favor of Brady versus the crap the league has put out. The league had no goddamn right to demand his phone and Brady had every right to deny them. This kid Tunsil, like so many naive millenials these days lack the life experience to understand how their actions today will forever be preserved in the internet galaxy. I shutter to think what stupid pictures and things would exist if this technology existed when I was as young and stupid.

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This was my thought as well.

Like millions of parents I have pictures of my children on my phone (soccer games, skiing, birthday party, etc)

Tom probably has pictures of his kids on there too.

Hes just going to turn that over to strangers?

For that reason alone you fight that to the death.

letekro said:

Nice try, but the request was for text messages and emails based on a list of search terms, not the phone itself.

And even if they did want Brady's phone, the scandal was not that he didn't provide it, but that he got rid of the phone, and all of the data on it, immediately before being interviewed by Wells.

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Brady was crucified for not turning over his phone by the NFL and it was used against him and the framing that he destroyed it was a narrative so powerful that a Federal Judge inappropriately used it as evidence to support his opinion.

That is fact.

ctpatsfan77 said:

His attorneys and Wells specifically hashed out that his phone would not be required before he destroyed his phone.

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That's correct, although I don't see your point. As I said in my post, they didn't want his phone, they wanted responsive texts and emails. Tis one thing not to provide them, tis another to destroy them.

robertweathers said:

This was my thought as well.

Like millions of parents I have pictures of my children on my phone (soccer games, skiing, birthday party, etc)

Tom probably has pictures of his kids on there too.

Hes just going to turn that over to strangers?

For that reason alone you fight that to the death.

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But...they didn't want the phone.

letekro said:

But...they didn't want the phone.

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Wells did not want phone.

Brady provides info from time in question.

Wells is satisfied

Pash modifies report

Wells/Pash say Brady was uncooperative

Brady has hearing.

Goodell asks where is phone

Brady had is cycled out

Brady provides all phone/text records to NFL

Goodell says Brady destroyed phone and uncooperative

Chin says Brady not turning over a private phone was damaging to his cause.

robertweathers said:

Brady was crucified for not turning over his phone by the NFL and it was used against him.

That is fact.

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No, it is not fact. The fact is that he didn't turn over texts and emails that might have contained relevant evidence. The issue of whether he was on notice that that lack of cooperation would be used against him is another question. The significance of the notice issue has been discussed in the legal papers.

letekro said:

No, it is not fact. The fact is that he didn't turn over texts and emails that might have contained relevant evidence. The issue of whether he was on notice that that lack of cooperation would be used against him is another question. The significance of the notice issue has been discussed in the legal papers.

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Correct on the notice.

Wells had all the info from McNally and Jaz.

Wells was satisfied with TB12's cooperation. He said it.

robertweathers said:

Wells did not want phone.

Brady provides info from time in question.

Wells is satisfied

Pash modifies report

Wells/Pash say Brady was uncooperative

Brady has hearing.

Goodell asks where is phone

Brady had is cycled out

Brady provides all phone/text records to NFL

Goodell says Brady destroyed phone and uncooperative

Chin says Brady not turning over a private phone was damaging to his cause.

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Regarding the bold, Brady did not provide responses to the specific requests for texts and emails to/from certain individuals and containing specific search terms. What he did provide was far less helpful to the investigation--a list of the people he texted with and phoned. Obviously, the NFL had no leverage to seek the texts from those people and the list was therefore of little value.

And don't be so foolish to think that Brady's lawyers thought it impossible that failing to provide the requested information would be used against him. They obviously weighed this possibility and still decided against turning the information over.

letekro said:

Regarding the bold, Brady did not provide responses to the specific requests for texts and emails to/from certain individuals and containing specific search terms. What he did provide was far less helpful to the investigation--a list of the people he texted with and phoned. Obviously, the NFL had no leverage to seek the texts from those people and the list was therefore of little value.

And don't be so foolish to think that Brady's lawyers thought it impossible that failing to provide the requested information would be used against him. They obviously weighed this possibility and still decided against turning the information over.

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I never mentioned texts. There is a reason for that.

In the report and publicly, Wells was satisfied with the information he received from Tom Brady and was complimentary on his level of cooperation.

Then the NFL propaganda/smear campaign machine was in full force.

letekro I think you are missing my point. What if Brady had given the NFL his phone, who is to say they wouldn't have accessed any of the other aps on his phone, his banking ap is one I would try to access, let alone pictures of his wife and kids. I know that the texts between me and some of my co-workers are funny to us, but might not be too funny to others. Manu of these aps keep the password and once you have that, you can access any of his accounts from any device anywhere in the world.

All this personal information, some of which, you don't even realize is on your phone, is the reason that Brady, smartly destroys his old phones.

I know when it comes time for me to hand in my work phone, before I turn it in, it will get wiped, accidentally fall in my pool, then my toilet, the sim card will miraculously disappear, and then get microwaved.

FreeTedWilliams said:

letekro I think you are missing my point. What if Brady had given the NFL his phone, who is to say they wouldn't have accessed any of the other aps on his phone, his banking ap is one I would try to access, let alone pictures of his wife and kids. I know that the texts between me and some of my co-workers are funny to us, but might not be too funny to others. Manu of these aps keep the password and once you have that, you can access any of his accounts from any device anywhere in the world.

All this personal information, some of which, you don't even realize is on your phone, is the reason that Brady, smartly destroys his old phones.

I know when it comes time for me to hand in my work phone, before I turn it in, it will get wiped, accidentally fall in my pool, then my toilet, the sim card will miraculously disappear, and then get microwaved.

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All people and certainly all celebrities should destroy their old phones or somehow make the data impossible to retrieve, EXCEPT AND UNLESS they contain data relating to current or foreseeable legal proceedings. If you destroy those types of phones, there may be repercussions.

letekro said:

Regarding the bold, Brady did not provide responses to the specific requests for texts and emails to/from certain individuals and containing specific search terms. What he did provide was far less helpful to the investigation--a list of the people he texted with and phoned. Obviously, the NFL had no leverage to seek the texts from those people and the list was therefore of little value.

And don't be so foolish to think that Brady's lawyers thought it impossible that failing to provide the requested information would be used against him. They obviously weighed this possibility and still decided against turning the information over.

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Why have I been able to read emails about Brady's pool cover?

letekro said:

All people and certainly all celebrities should destroy their old phones or somehow make the data impossible to retrieve, EXCEPT AND UNLESS they contain data relating to current or foreseeable legal proceedings. If you destroy those types of phones, there may be repercussions.

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We all known why the NFL was so upset over the destroyed phone. They wanted to see nudes of Giselle.

robertweathers said:

I never mentioned texts. There is a reason for that.

In the report and publicly, Wells was satisfied with the information he received from Tom Brady and was complimentary on his level of cooperation.

Then the NFL propaganda/smear campaign machine was in full force.

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Wells's job was to investigate. The NFL's job was to levy a punishment. Wells clearly stated in the Report that Brady failed to turn over potentially relevant evidence--the very evidence you and I have been discussing:

We did not receive, and were therefore unable to review, all of the materials we
requested or deemed relevant. In particular, we requested electronically stored information,including emails and text messages, from several individuals who declined our request. Of note,Tom Brady was asked to provide emails and text messages in response to narrowly tailored requests pertinent to the subject of our investigation. Brady declined our request.

It is a stretch to say that Wells is saying he was "satisfied" with Brady's response here. The relevant idea here is that Brady could have turned over potentially relevant information, but didn't, and Wells made note of that in the Report. Based on this, Goodell invoked Article 46 for "lack of cooperation." Again, we are back to the legal issue of notice, which the 2nd Cir. panel did not find compelling.

letekro said:

Nice try, but the request was for text messages and emails based on a list of search terms, not the phone itself.

And even if they did want Brady's phone, the scandal was not that he didn't provide it, but that he got rid of the phone, and all of the data on it, immediately before being interviewed by Wells.

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Seriously? Where have you been for the last year and a half? Yes, they didn't want the phone at first. But this is the reason they now give for his suspension.

Schmo said:

Why have I been able to read emails about Brady's pool cover?

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I can't remember exactly why, but he turned over some emails that related to an irrelevant period, maybe after the Colts game or way before. He didn't turn over any texts or emails from the phone in question--which was by far the most relevant-- which was active from September 2014 to March 2015.