Chandler Jones traded for 2 OLs and 1 WR - Correct?

If I followed the trade of DE Chandler Jones correctly, and the subsequent wheeling and dealing, the Patriots wound up with veteran G Jonathan Cooper from the Cardinals (a former 1st rounder), OL Joe Thuney from NCSU with a 3rd round pick, and WR Malcolm Mitchell from Georgia with the 4th round selection.

Am I correct?

This looks like three players who will contribute a lot during the 2016 season with excellent potential for the next few years. Miguel can help us understand the cap consequences as contracts get signed and posted, but this looks to me like a terrific parlay of an elite player to meet genuine needs heading into the 2016 season.

I also like the moves they made to recover the 4th rounder in 2017. Up yours, Roger.

Still doesn't make up for it, we deserve both. Let's not try to downgrade that absolutely absurd punishment.

Froob said:

Still doesn't make up for it, we deserve both. Let's not try to downgrade that absolutely absurd punishment.

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At the end of the day, significant draft capital was stolen from us. If it wasn't, we would have just made even better trades and gotten even better players...I just don't get why people actually think we have any ability to stick it to Roger short of winning another ring.

Elijah said:

At the end of the day, significant draft capital was stolen from us. If it wasn't, we would have just made even better trades and gotten even better players...I just don't get why people actually think we have any ability to stick it to Roger short of winning another ring.

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Agreed. However let's see what some of these guys turn out to be before we shortchanged them. Yet they could have everything they did get plus an impact first rounder. It will be felt for years.

If Thuney and Cooper solidify our Offensive Line, and Mitchell turns into a respectable WR.


It's too early to tell. Cooper could fizzle out and never get healthy. Thuney could be another Marcus Cannon bust who lingers around on the fringe of the roster. Mitchell could be another Aaron Dobson. We simply don't know yet.

Obviously I hope for the best, but on the surface I never think it's good to lose one of your best players on defense. Even though we wouldn't have been able to re-sign him after the season, we still wouldve had him for another SuperBowl run this year.

As far as the three players contributing part it is definitely a wait and see. If Chandler goes off for 10+sacks and the three barely contribute then they lost their ass off in the trade. Hoping otherwise of course but it's just too early to tell at this point.

Elijah said:

At the end of the day, significant draft capital was stolen from us. If it wasn't, we would have just made even better trades and gotten even better players...I just don't get why people actually think we have any ability to stick it to Roger short of winning another ring.

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We can stick it to Roger if we 1) win another title, and 2) are able to parlay Jimmy Garappolo into multiple high first round picks (think RG III or latest Rams trade) because he plays so damn well during the suspension, where Jimmy G would have had no more value that Ryan Mallet did when wasting away on the bench. That's my dream scenario if this suspension proceeds. We get all our draft capital back and then some, which wouldn't have happened without DeflateGate, and we win another title.

Froob said:

Still doesn't make up for it, we deserve both. Let's not try to downgrade that absolutely absurd punishment.

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Downgrade upgrade

MrNathanDrake said:

It's too early to tell. Cooper could fizzle out and never get healthy. Thuney could be another Marcus Cannon bust who lingers around on the fringe of the roster. Mitchell could be another Aaron Dobson. We simply don't know yet.

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Absolutely true, but isn't that the nature of any trade? You can never know the long-term results, all you can judge is the tradeoff that's made. In this case that amounts to:

2016 Chandler Jones @ $7.8M
vs.
2016 Jonathan Cooper @ $2.4M
2016-2019 Joe Thuney @ $75oK/year
2016-2019 Malcolm Mitchell @ $700K/year

So that's 1 season's rights to a proven NFL starter for $7.8M vs. 9 seasons' rights to intriguing but unproven players for $8.2M. (One aspect to consider is that for 2016, the gap between Jones' salary and the other 3 combined amounts to Martellus Bennett's salary.)

Exactly. When trades like this are made, one team is essentially trading some of its cap money to the other team, in addition to players and picks. So the thread title is incomplete.

patchick said:

Absolutely true, but isn't that the nature of any trade? You can never know the long-term results, all you can judge is the tradeoff that's made. In this case that amounts to:

2016 Chandler Jones @ $7.8M
vs.
2016 Jonathan Cooper @ $2.4M
2016-2019 Joe Thuney @ $75oK/year
2016-2019 Malcolm Mitchell @ $700K/year

So that's 1 season's rights to a proven NFL starter for $7.8M vs. 9 seasons' rights to intriguing but unproven players for $8.2M. (One aspect to consider is that for 2016, the gap between Jones' salary and the other 3 combined amounts to Martellus Bennett's salary.)

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Patriot Missile said:

As far as the three players contributing part it is definitely a wait and see. If Chandler goes off for 10+sacks and the three barely contribute then they lost their ass off in the trade. Hoping otherwise of course but it's just too early to tell at this point.

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I don't think sacks are the primary measuring stick of DE performance used by the Pats coaching staff.

Elijah said:

At the end of the day, significant draft capital was stolen from us. If it wasn't, we would have just made even better trades and gotten even better players...I just don't get why people actually think we have any ability to stick it to Roger short of winning another ring.

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Winning the SB is the only equalizer.

patchick said:

Absolutely true, but isn't that the nature of any trade? You can never know the long-term results, all you can judge is the tradeoff that's made. In this case that amounts to:

2016 Chandler Jones @ $7.8M
vs.
2016 Jonathan Cooper @ $2.4M
2016-2019 Joe Thuney @ $75oK/year
2016-2019 Malcolm Mitchell @ $700K/year

So that's 1 season's rights to a proven NFL starter for $7.8M vs. 9 seasons' rights to intriguing but unproven players for $8.2M. (One aspect to consider is that for 2016, the gap between Jones' salary and the other 3 combined amounts to Martellus Bennett's salary.)

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Wouldn't we also have to weigh in the players they sign with the money saved (not that we can ever know exactly)? As Miguel puts it:

I would summarize the trade as Chandler Jones for Jonathan Cooper, Joe Thuney, Malcolm Mitchell and $3.6 million in 2016 cap space. - See more at: Patscap breaks down the Chandler Jones trade – Updated after the 2016 draft

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goheels22002 said:

If I followed the trade of DE Chandler Jones correctly, and the subsequent wheeling and dealing, the Patriots wound up with veteran G Jonathan Cooper from the Cardinals (a former 1st rounder), OL Joe Thuney from NCSU with a 3rd round pick, and WR Malcolm Mitchell from Georgia with the 4th round selection.

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Yes, instead of a 1-year rental of Chandler Jones, we have millions in cap money plus Cooper, Thuney and Mitchell.

I think that this is a very good deal indeed. For me, we used to have a major problem at guard.

Nope, but he came a long way since day1 with his all around game. Wasn't the best run defender but seemed to improve every season. He may be asked to play a significantly different role with Arizona where he gets 16+ sacks and this board blows up. I'm sure if BB wanted that to happen here it would but we both know the defense is built on different principles.

goheels22002 said:

If I followed the trade of DE Chandler Jones correctly, and the subsequent wheeling and dealing, the Patriots wound up with veteran G Jonathan Cooper from the Cardinals (a former 1st rounder), OL Joe Thuney from NCSU with a 3rd round pick, and WR Malcolm Mitchell from Georgia with the 4th round selection.

Am I correct?

This looks like three players who will contribute a lot during the 2016 season with excellent potential for the next few years. Miguel can help us understand the cap consequences as contracts get signed and posted, but this looks to me like a terrific parlay of an elite player to meet genuine needs heading into the 2016 season.

I also like the moves they made to recover the 4th rounder in 2017. Up yours, Roger.

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I really like our interior O Line competition and youth movement at this point. I have to admit, I like what Mason and Jackson did last year, and I know Jackson played some Tackle at FSU, so I just wonder if Scar is looking at asking BB to build the competition and go from there.

Cooper was a beast at Carolina and has all the skills, as does Mason, so I just wonder if long term, with Solder and Vollmer, in particular Vollmer's age and last year of his deal, means guys like Thuney and even Tre Jackson will get looks at RT as well.

I would be very surprised if Scar didn't get Cooper to click here. He had some bad luck at Arizona and it just snowballed from there.

Something is up because they have Cannon, Fleming, and Waddle also in there for the Swing Tackle competition, unless they are just planning on cutting Cannon outright.

As good of a player Jones is, he's not great against the better LTs and was never really great in the postseason.

I hope they can keep Sheard. That's really the guy I'd like to see them keep at DE, because he is really good vs the run and can rush, and be kicked inside at times on 3rds.

mgteich said:

Yes, instead of a 1-year rental of Chandler Jones, we have millions in cap money to be used towards resigning Collins, Hightower and Butler plus Cooper, Thuney and Mitchell.

I think that this is a very good deal indeed. For me, we used to have a major problem at guard.

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Modified it for you....

( Before anyone jumps on me- yes I know the money will only go so far towards resigning them but it is a start...)

Hammer of Thor said:

We can stick it to Roger if we 1) win another title, and 2) are able to parlay Jimmy Garappolo into multiple high first round picks (think RG III or latest Rams trade) because he plays so damn well during the suspension, where Jimmy G would have had no more value that Ryan Mallet did when wasting away on the bench. That's my dream scenario if this suspension proceeds. We get all our draft capital back and then some, which wouldn't have happened without DeflateGate, and we win another title.

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How would Fraudger take it if JimmyG goes 4-0 and then BB trades him for a top (Cleveland's?) 2017 first round pick? Seems to me that would be karma giving us a compensatory pick for part of what we lost.

Just putting it out there. Universe, respond!

If Jimmy goes 4-0 and plays well enough to warrant a first round pick I don't know if I'd want him gone in the first place

Chandler's performance in another system isn't going to be a factor in determining if it was a successful trade. Chandler could set the single season sack record in Arizona but we all know what he would produce in our system. Chad Johnson was fantastic in Cincy but terrible here. Julian Edelman would be a STs only guy for a lot of teams (I doubt he would have found a way to thrive enough in other systems to produce like he has produced here)

Really it's a matter of trying to project Chandler's performance this year and weigh that against what we get from the guys here.