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Here's a question - does name-brand in attorneys count for anything here?

Very little when you are talking the Second Circuit or the Supreme Court - they get name brand guys all the time. If the Petersen case were to go in the other direction than this one, then of course the Supreme Court might well take an interest because there would be a conflict between circuits.

But at the end of the day, the arguments now have practically nothing to do with Brady's actions or inactions. The adverse decision here basically said the rules of the arbitration (Goodell as dictator) were what everyone signed up for - if one side doesn't like them, then simply don't agree to them next time. So from the judicial system's viewpoint they have come to a stable conclusion.

Not trying to be a downer here, just trying to be realistic.

Good to read the stuff Stephanie Stradley writes on the issue - basically she thinks they should have hired Olsen for the original appeal:

Stephanie Stradley (@StephStradley) | Twitter
 
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Very true and I think if you'd need to summon D'Qwell Jackson to take the stand and match it up to what Grigson said or what is on Grigson's emails or texts, you do it.

IMO, Grigson told Sean Sullivan to send him an email that "everyone knows the Pats deflate footballs"..

That was part of their way to cover their butt that it's a set up.

When I heard Jackson say he didn't say that, I thought of Ray Rice saying he did admit he hit his fiancee AFTER Goodell said Rice had not confessed.

I mean, this **** is hard to believe, but I am telling you, it's happening.[/QUOTE
It'd be nice if Mike Adams and D'Qwell joined them on this. Their testimonies are huge.
 
I said in another thread yesterday that I think his interview with CBS would bite him in the ass. That's a program you go on to butter up everyone else who isn't football fans. I would bet good money Mr. TFB had it on in the background and.....here we are.

We all know Goody is a moron but hes taken it to a whole new level with the victory tour. I get the PR angle he was taking but to do this when your opponent still had legal options was a colossal gaffe.
 
Not even trying to be funny here....I felt totally deflated when they overturned the overturned verdict, and the suspensions was resinstated.

NOW that we know Brady is still fighting, and that they have hired the Hulk, CaptainAmerica, Superman and The Terminator all rolled in to one, I feel AWESOME.

This news has surprisingly improved my mood 1 million percent.
Jeez, i thought you were talking about this guy.

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Here's a question - does name-brand in attorneys count for anything here? Not every case has Ted Olson and Paul Clement as opposing attorneys. Presumably they signed onto the case for 1) big money from their clients, 2) prestige of the case which rubs off onto them, and 3) actually thinking they can win, tying to item 2 (being losing attorney may hurt prestige). Would the judges look at the attorneys and think, "wow, they've got some big name people involved, this must be a really important issue, we should take a second look at this case instead of the other cases with peon attorneys leading them?"

I may be talking out of my ass here, but I strongly suspect the political pull of these big, hot shot lawyers can make a difference regarding whether cert is granted or not. No one would ever publicly admit that this is true, however.
 
still a longshot to get this overturned again

but at least tom's fighting unlike our pathetic old miserable jellyfish owner. god, i hate kraft so much. even more so than goodell at times

Why is it a longshot? Last year, my sister, who has no clue about the NFL, said "why doesn't Brady just take the punishment?"

I said "It goes deeper than that."

And, here we are.

I think people like Lester Munson, and the other legal bozo on ESPN, along with others, who know ESPN's billion dollar deal with the NFL for MNF, are not understanding what we're talking about here.

This is a CBA situation, with a bully (the NFL) trying to lie and paint a picture that isn't real, for easier long term financial gain.

This is supplemental to this Deflategate thing, but ask yourself this:

1. Why did Goodell lie about Ray Rice? Why did he lie TWICE? The entire country saw it, but why would he try so hard to work with the union on such an easy decision that I am sure the union felt awkward even arguing?

You know why? A 9.5 million cap hit in 2015 if Rice was cut in 2014. That's 30 million on the books between Flacco and Ray Rice in 2015, and RIce wasn't even there.

What team has given NE some issues in the AFC in the postseason? The Ravens.

2. What is Goodell's sales pitch London investors? There is only one: PARITY

3. Why has Jacksonville been such a featured team in London. They're terrible.

Why?

Because Kahn doesn't get the ROI needed in the current CBA, which is a boon if you have a good market, good team and good tv contracts.

Jacksonville has a 20 year old out of date stadium, no sell outs, no home games in the playoffs, and even though Londoners probably can't sustain an NFL product there, he knows a tv deal in London with sponsors is worth more there than in Jacksonville.

Jacksonville plays in the AFC.

Jax just signed up for 6 more years to play in London, the only team to do that. Odd, isn't it? You're trying to sell the product and you want Jax to do it? Hmm.

If you do the math, Jacksonville is moving to London. I read Dan Rooney say Goodell was doing a good job and "hitting his measurables"...

Once I read that, I knew it meant getting a team in London.

Here's the catch: A current team HAS TO MOVE TO LONDON. Why? Because ya can't sell 2 new teams, expansion teams right now, because there aren't enough quality FAs past the age of 30, like there was in 1994 when the cap started (in 1993).

No real investor is going to take a risk on investing in the Jaguars in London as a team if they stink and if there is no parity, and especially if they play in the same Conference as the Pats.

NE goes to its 6th straight COnf Title game this year barring major injuries. Heck, the Pats went to the 2013 and 2015 title games with major injuries and no business even getting there.

This is historical, but the cap was created not only for the players, but to block dynasties and to have a balanced revenue spread throughout the league. The Pats block that from being a reality.

This whole thing, including Spygate, is about framing a lie to the public to be able to weaken the Patriots, to keep parity and expand into Europe so Goodell can go from 44 million per year, to 88 million per year.

These are not coincidences. This is a multi billion dollar operation.
 
Except the problem is that Judge Chin was one of those leftist leaning judges. So they've already swayed one to the dark side in this case....

OK..but Goodell and his victory lapping like a drunken dockside sailor must have infuriated the CHIEF of the 2nd circuit, who disagreed VEHEMENTLY with his two colleagues.Who the eff would YOU want to bet on in an en banc, Chin and the quisling Parker or Berman and Chief Justice Katzmann?

Well Joker if this was poker it would mean, unfortunately, TB has a king and a jack while Goodell has two queens. We need another king or another two queens or the pot is his....
 
I don't understand why they haven't gone after Bill because I don't think he can appeal or anything.
 
Hiring Olsen definitely implies Brady is willing to go the distance and I think the owners have had enough and want it to be over with. If nothing else this will increase the desire for a settlement among owners.

Honestly, I'm kinda surprised that the league hasn't dismissed the suspension on its own. It now has the second circuit on record as saying that Goodell can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, up to and including breaking labor law, and they won't do anything about it. They've also established a process by which they can ensure that any future arbitration disagreement end up being argued in the second circuit.

Seems like enough of a win that they should eliminate any incentive for Brady to continue the fight, purely on the slim chance that he gets an en banc appeal or makes it to the SCOTUS and wins.

If I was commissioner, I would drop Brady's suspension yesterday, and make a statement to the effect of "while I am pleased that the second circuit has affirmed my authority as both commissioner and arbitrator in all cases relating to the integrity of the game, I also wish to extend a hand in cooperation to the players' association and the Patriots organization. While I stand by the Wells Report, I have decided to reduce Tom Brady's punishment to the maximum fine allowable under the collective bargaining agreement". Then again, if I was the commissioner none of this nonsense would have happened in the first place, because this was a ridiculous case and a witch hunt from day one.
 
You read much into it? If anything, it means this:

1. It's not over like the owners and Goodell want.
2. It should scare the living bejesus out of the owners. A push to the SC and Goodell on a federal stand is not what they want at this point.
3. A NY judge has just allowed the discovery process to unfild in the concussion lawsuit that had ALREADY BEEN SETTLED WITH A RIPOFF of only 1 billion to the players.
4. It means Brady and the NFLPA are absolutely not going down and are into putting the funds into this.
5. This is a huge leverage play for the NFLPA, using this criminal activity by Goodell to push for leverage into the next CBA in 2020.

This is enormous news. I was afraid Brady would quit and do what Goodell wants via Kraft's request.

Quite the contrary.

Your move, Roger.

The defamation suit is still Brady's Ace in the hole.

I don't think Roger has any moves. He is throwing things against the wall hoping something sticks. He was absolutely giddy that the NFL won the 2nd court appeal and couldn't wait to tell the media. Meanwhile Brady and the NFLPA were sitting back formulating their next move and hired one of the best lawyers in the Country. At this point, IMO, the owners should put and end to deflategate and waive Brady's suspension. The dirty laundry that is going to get aired if this case goes before the supreme court will have the NFL begging for mercy. Also, the news that a judge has allowed a discovery in the concussion law suit means more problems for the "32" and Roger. I personally hope that the owners continue to back Roger because I will enjoy watching the NFL implode.
 
Honestly, I'm kinda surprised that the league hasn't dismissed the suspension on its own. It now has the second circuit on record as saying that Goodell can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, up to and including breaking labor law, and they won't do anything about it. They've also established a process by which they can ensure that any future arbitration disagreement end up being argued in the second circuit.

Seems like enough of a win that they should eliminate any incentive for Brady to continue the fight, purely on the slim chance that he gets an en banc appeal or makes it to the SCOTUS and wins.

If I was commissioner, I would drop Brady's suspension yesterday, and make a statement to the effect of "while I am pleased that the second circuit has affirmed my authority as both commissioner and arbitrator in all cases relating to the integrity of the game, I also wish to extend a hand in cooperation to the players' association and the Patriots organization. While I stand by the Wells Report, I have decided to reduce Tom Brady's punishment to the maximum fine allowable under the collective bargaining agreement". Then again, if I was the commissioner none of this nonsense would have happened in the first place, because this was a ridiculous case and a witch hunt from day one.
Because Goodell is not rational and he will 'look weak' if he compromises with Brady in any way. Furthermore, I think the owners' desire to curtail the Patriots success is still a big part of all this.
 
I don't understand why they haven't gone after Bill because I don't think he can appeal or anything.

I think it's because they felt it it would be too obvious and overkill, and it would backfire. I think they thought they could use Kraft to convince to take the hit, which Kraft did, which was CLEARLY a mistake and does make me sick.

After Spygate, an honest fan knows it's complete and utter garbage. Goodell basically lied, destroyed the tapes, lied again, lied some more, but Kraft and BB are tied to the owners, so they couldn;t say anything.

Basically, NE lost a 1st rd pick and got this cheating rep because BB decided to mock Mangini after an incident 6 months earlier in Foxborough, and to appease Woody Johnson who had PSLs to sell for a new stadium.
 
I think back to some of the more accusatory posts in other threads, saying that people here were revealing themselves to be more Tom Brady fans than NE Patriot fans.

Um, yeah. I am. This is why. Tom Brady is Tom freakin' Brady who never EVER gives up the fight and the Patriots as an organization are just a part of the NFL corporation with Bob Kraft as the fearless leader. His idea of a fight is putting up a 12 jersey picture on Instagram and accepting the punishment. So you can bet your ass I'm a fan of Tom Brady.

Yup, at this point I freely acknowledge that I'm a Brady/Belichick fan first and foremost. My loyalty to them surpasses my loyalty to the Pats after seeing the team fail them both when they needed it the most (Deflategate and Spygate, respectively). I don't see any reason why that should be considered a bad thing, and if anyone thinks that makes me a worse fan then I don't really care.
 
I really don't see the justification for all the excitement here. He needed to hire Olsen for the appeal, not now when there is very little he can do. Both en banc and cert. are very much long shots and there is very little Olsen can do to change that. (And yes, once upon a time at least some decades back, I was actually a practicing attorney).

I think Olsen's reputation and success in arguing before the USSC come into play in requesting Cert. If it's his name on the request, you have to think the court is going to take the argument seriously. He does not have the reputation of being one who engages in frivolous suits.

Bottom Line: I think adding Olsen improves the chances of getting the SC to intervene. The possibility is still low, but they improved significantly as a result of engaging him.
 
I wouldn't read too much into this as a likelihood of getting an banc appeal
you should read exactly what it means. its means they will appeal to the clowns that ruled against brady. and it means if that fails they will ask the supremes to hear the case. this is about labor law more than anything else. olson has tried many cases in front of the supreme court. olson increases the chance that an appeal gets heard.
 
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