Once again, Sally Jenkins nails it...

XLIX said:

What I said was:

Obviously, any single one of us could disappear and it wouldn't matter..... but if, say, half a million of us disappeared, then even if not a single one of those half million were Neilsen families, they would still notice.

Let me know what part of that you don't understand.

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If you watch the games, the league gets your money.

(And please don't go into the silliness of how you're not a Neilsen family so you don't count; even the people who are not Neilsen families are statistically accounted for)

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Ivan said:

That would be to put you on ignore because all you really are is a much less literate version of Andy Johnson. All you do is troll this forum looking for little slap fights to get into and b.tch about people posting in threads you monopolize. If you ever contributed anything it might be different but the truth it's that you don't know sh.t about football and haven't ever contributed anything other than gripes to this forum.

Adios douchebag.

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XLIX said:

Yes, advertisers are well aware of the fact that people tend to tune out when the commercials come on. Believe me, all of the above has been accounted for.

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XLIX said:

If you watch the games, the league gets your money.

(And please don't go into the silliness of how you're not a Neilsen family so you don't count; even the people who are not Neilsen families are statistically accounted for).

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Big Bucks said:

I watch all my games on illegal HD streams on the internet. I have no one making any money from me.

Literally every sport you would ever watch is being streamed. Even Kabaddi lol

There are thousands of people doing it online, soon it will become mainstream, its IMO the reason ESPN is losing subscribers like no tomorrow.

current small screen grab of the champions league I am watching, but am watching on a 40" screen

http://s32.postimg.org/9kxgaphmb/imagehd.png

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ReverendMaynard said:

Actually, what you said first was

A) the advertisers money is not my money. Your assertion that I am somehow forced to actually watch the commercials that are shown is specious at best.
B) This clearly insinuates that they know whether an individual is watching. Particularly in the context of discussing my watching or not watching. Since I'm not half a million people, you're going to need to prove that they know that I am watching

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IllegalContact said:

back to the point.....what money are they taking from me that they wouldn't if I didn't watch the game?

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FrodoBagginz said:

I've tried doing illegal streaming but it sucked bad. Extreme lag and bad quality making it almost unwatchable. Not only that, these illegal stream sites are questionable on computer safety. I wouldn't dare visit one of these sites without ad-block plus with pop-up blocker turned on. Otherwise I would be asking for a virus/malware.

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XLIX said:

You already asked me that question and I answered it. What part of my response did you not understand?

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IllegalContact said:

Can you elaborate on your answer? I don't get the tangible cost

I'm trying to understand how at 1pm in Sunday it costs me more to watch football than Julia Child on pbs

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Ivan said:

Disagree completely. That's what everyone thought going in but Clement and the justices went right down the road of presumed guilt and in retrospect that it's the battle they should have fought. The NFL conceded in Bermans court that they had no evidence and that point should have been hammered home, with the focus Brady's innocence and a rigged process.

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An arbitrator's factual findings are generally not open to judicial challenge, and we accept the facts as the arbitrator found them.

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FrodoBagginz said:

I've tried doing illegal streaming but it sucked bad. Extreme lag and bad quality making it almost unwatchable. Not only that, these illegal stream sites are questionable on computer safety. I wouldn't dare visit one of these sites without ad-block plus with pop-up blocker turned on. Otherwise I would be asking for a virus/malware.

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Bruins_Skins said:

Sally Jenkins was also Lance Armstrong's biographer and vehemently denied any wrong doing by Lance and defended him for years. She doesn't have the best track record when it comes to making judgments or offering opinions on athletes alleged to have circumvented rules.

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XLIX said:

I've never watched Julia Child on PBS, nor do I know how that program accounts for its ratings and marketing, which I believe has to do with public funding moreso than advertiser revenue, so I cannot speak to that example. However I will restate my thesis and attempt to be more clear:

(1) The NFL makes billions of dollars from ABC/ESPN, NBC, CBS and Fox

(2) The reason why those networks/stations pay so much money for broadcast rights is because so many people watch the games

(3) When people in here state "the NFL gains nothing from me because I don't buy NFL merchandise or buy tickets, I only watch the games" that is a fallacy. Even if all you do is watch the games, the NFL still makes money - and an awful lot of it - because of you

(4) An individual not being a Neilsen member is irrelevant to point (3). There are other statistical methodologies in play to account for the true number of viewers. Neilsen numbers are certainly important, but not all encompassing.

(5) And, since I apparently have to mention this for certain people in here (not you), no one single individual person registers as even a blip on the league's radar. You could spend your entire life ignoring (and I mean truly ignoring) the NFL or you could spend your entire life giving the NFL all your leisure time and money and they would not notice because you are only one single individual person. But collectively, as a group, all those people who "only watch the games" are still fattening the league's coffers.

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