NFL Owners wants Goodell to reduce 4 game suspension and end Deflategate once and for all.

As if settling with Brady will end "Deflategate".

I continue to believe that the Jastremski/McNally defamation suit will be EPIC.

I would rather Brady retire and tell Goodell to f-off than take any suspension.

Silver Blue&Red said:

I know it's a pipe dream, but how awesome (and effective ) would it be if nobody showed up at the first 4 games? What, is there 3 home games? That would absolutely be nail in the coffin for the NFL. The NFL lives on money. And they get their money from us

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The whole team should vow to boycott the first 4 games if Brady isn't reinstated

JMC00 said:

Absolutely not. Brady has a legitimate case that he was defamed by the league once ****dell went from "more probable than not" to doubling down and saying he flat out cheated when he equated it to taking PEDs. He would not have to prove economic damages. Would only have to argue and show it was Published, False and Injurious

Published is in the bag, as ****dell and his goons words have been printed.

False, Well the nfl's attorney point blank said to Judge Berman they had no evidence linking Brady to it. Could very well be argued that it was false when ****dell continues to say it was a fact that he cheated but the nfl attorney said to a federal judge in court they had no direct evidence on Brady

Injurious, Brady's reputation has been damaged by this.

As for Brady being the biggest seller, if the nfl tried to use that in their argument Brady's lawyers would easily argue that it was Patriots and Brady fans showing their support and that jersey sales don't effect Brady one way or another because jersey sales are part of a shared revenue.

Winning the lawsuit is one thing but any judge worth their salt wouldn't throw this case out.

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Thanks for the clarification . I hope you are right on all fronts .

Sfpat said:

Brady should get punished no more than the Chargers for stickumgate - $8500 fine (and reimbursement of all of his legal fees)

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Except there's zero proof he did anything. They deflated naturally. It's basic damn science.

TBR said:

Except there's zero proof he did anything. They deflated naturally. It's basic damn science.

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I prefer "depressurized", since no air molecules left the balls due to any human action.

I have to believe that anything like this coming out to the press is part of a planned PR campaign that is part of a larger strategy. Let's not get fooled into thinking that NFL owners, at this point, are going to speak out publicly about this on their own.

Gator Mike said:

As if settling with Brady will end "Deflategate".

I continue to believe that the Jastremski/McNally defamation suit will be EPIC.

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We've all been saying this for 12 months now but when has there been even any hint that Jast/McNally were ever even considering filing a defamation suit? There hasn't been.

QuantumMechanic said:

I prefer "depressurized", since no air molecules left the balls due to any human action.

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Manmade ball deflation? We are destroying our footballs! Must be stopped.

VectorPrime said:

We've all been saying this for 12 months now but when has there been even any hint that Jast/McNally were ever even considering filing a defamation suit? There hasn't been.

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Would there be though? For some reason I have high doubts anybody files it but, it should be easy to win for any of them...I'd have to think lawyers would be lining up to take the dorito dinks case for free and just a % of the winnings.

Hammer of Thor said:

I speculated about this yesterday's thread. The questions are:

1) how far are the owners willing to go? Meaning are they willing to order/force the Commish that they don't give a f&^$ about his personal pride, and just negotiate a 1-2 game punishment with no strings attached (i.e. no "admission of guilt"). Or is just an abstract, "Roger, pretty please your holiness, please settle cause I'm sick of hearing about it?"

2) Is Brady willing to do that? Akin to accepting a plea deal for something you didn't do, knowing the odds of him getting his suspension overturned at all are extremely low now. I could see Brady accepting only if he thinks it'll help the team more than him being a "political prisoner" would help the union.

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Yeah, I could see Brady taking a game and saying he wants this to be over and doesn't want a distraction for the team. No admission of guilt will be issued. None should be even though I think he'd take a game for the good of the 32, err, the other 52.
Now I'll go read the rest of this thread.

Ivan said:

Why? The Patriots have four picks Friday night and I'm interested in who they take. They have nothing on Thursday so I won't watch.

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Because there are about 1,000 different ways to know exactly who the Pats take without handing any views to the NFL or any of its partners.

BradyFTW! said:

Because there are about 1,000 different ways to know exactly who the Pats take without handing any views to the NFL or any of its partners.

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I'm going out Thursday night and they won't be getting that rating but I will be watching Friday night. Other than that, the best form of protest its to not buy NFL merchandise or tickets and I don't do either anymore.

sb1 said:

If Brady got an offer of a game or a large fine for "inadvertent obstruction of the investigation" and nothing more than that, that might be worth considering. (and the word inadvertent being a critical part of it)

Kessler himself pretty much said Brady "could have handled it better" so I think it makes sense. No admission to something he didn't do, and his legacy is intact.

Anything more than that - they can go pound sand.

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That was just posturing for the judge at the time - and Kessler should not have said as much

The cellphone was a red herring that Goodell desparately grasped at - not realizing that Berman would actually release the transcripts which showed that Brady had provided all the additional information off the cellphone - and of course they had anything he texted to McNally and Jastremski in the first place and one has to assume that if Brady and they were in a conspiracy there should be SOME communication between them - and of course the NFL already had access to their phones

I honestly doubt that Brady "destroyed" his phone - but simply wanted to make clear that under the CBA no player could be required to provide it, and more so Wells had made clear he didn't need or want it - just the information that Brady provided - so instead of saying "you can't have it" he said "it's gone/destroyed"

The fact that Goodell had to move the goalposts to make this about a cellphone - when Roger himself refused to give his up to the FBI investigator handling the NFL's Ray Rice investigation - just shows how contrived and fabricated DefameGate had become

There's no obstruction when science shows nothing happened in the first place

F@ck them all.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Believe me, I want some form of vengeance/satisfaction as much as anyone, but I don't get the talk about a "defamation" suit.

Don't there have to be demonstrable economic damages for a defamation suit to proceed without being tossed by a judge ?

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Brady's rating as an endorser went way down. so there are financial issues, it is stupid Brady is making more money for the scumbags who are harassing and defaming him.

According to at least one media source yesterday, Brady gear was the biggest seller in the NFL last year. Wouldn't he have to produce a sponsor who could be deposed under oath that it had reduced payments to Brady or not engaged Brady directly because of Deflategate, with a dollar number attached?

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What about the sponsor Brady didn't get?

As barbs fly, Tom Brady's lucrative brand is now put in peril - The Boston Globe

Beyond that, Brady is a public and media figure. The bar for slander or libel is very, very high for people who fit that profile, especially when the slander in question would have been perpetrated as part of a Court proceeding, where there is considerable leeway for Counsel.

I'm NOT trying to argue that Discovery wouldn't unearth a lot of really bad behavior by the NFL, just that getting to that point is not likely.

Any hackers out there willing to risk a few years in prison to expose the League? But, that, in the immortal words of Richard M. Nixon, "would be wrong."

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Goodell lied in his decision about what Brady said under oath.

moejr said:

I would rather Brady retire and tell Goodell to f-off than take any suspension.

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I would rather see him taking the Lombardi off the hands of that low life piece of ****.

Sure, that's the position of the owners, the owners who put this ****ing idiot in the chair. Reap what you sow lads.

1. Science cleared Brady of any wrongdoing.
2. From the outset, we've seen deceit, corruption, collusion, and dishonesty from the NFL, lawyers working on behalf of the NFL, supposedly independent bodies commissioned by the NFL, media partners of the NFL, a connection between an NFL owner and a ruling judge, and judges incorporating lies and factual errors in their judgement.

CBA or not, you cannot, I stress cannot, accept the abuse of power and blatant lies used to frame an innocent man in a court of law. A certain level of trust in the system must exist for democracy to work and people should not stand by and watch the erosion of fundamental fairness, that is, what is right and wrong, be allowed to continue because of interpretation.

Brady should take this as far as is humanly possible.

Realistically, it will be hard to appeal again, and possibly win.

With all the rumblings of NFL owners, I would guess this compromise may end up to be on the table after the NFL draft (Whether Brady takes it or not is another matter) :

GOD-ell will reduce the suspension to just 2 games. In return, Brady must acknowledge that he impede the investigation and am sorry for it.


I would love to have GOD-ell be like an emperor, and "pardon" Brady. Thus, the 4 game suspension is erased...

If Brady agrees to anything other than a full reversal, acknowledgement he did nothing wrong and an apology, I'll be pretty bummed the **** out.

If the Commissioner on his own volition reduces the suspension that's fine and dandy but I fully hope and expect for Brady to keep fighting however he can. If Brady gives up the fight in exchange for a reduction I'll be very, very disappointed.