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He was an androgynous black chameleon who brought the sex/romantic thing and a bit of rock into pop r&b. I get all that; that's how he was different. But his was a very narrowly defined, primarily '80s phenomenon that didn't go far beyond himself or the Minneapolis scene in terms of "influence." Adam Ant was doing something similar with the "new romantic" movement in the U.K. about that same time.
You say he was primarily an 80s phenomenon, yet more than half his CDs were released since 2000. He won two grammies in this century. His performance at the 2007 SB is pretty much considered one of the greatest drop the mic moments in music history (and he did it in the middle of a torential downpour). He played over 20 instruments, several of them at a virtuoso level. He was Michael Jackson with a boatload more talent.
 
Calling me unethical is one thing. I can live with that. But this is going too far. I thought my observation about the similarities between Prince and the female wrestler Chyna, who also died yesterday, was spot on and quite humorous. ;)
Or, you know, being a ****.

This is from a comment I read elsewhere today, sums things up pretty well.

My relationship with Prince was musical before it was visual so I’d already decided this guy was a monster, a complete force to be reckoned with. When I eventually did start to see his videos and his presence I could see the feminine presence but I never felt Prince was actually feminine.

His use of costume and makeup seemed to exist to accentuate how hard this guy’s strut was. He would play some incredible crunchy solo and then just fling his guitar to the side and do that ****ing smirk, that smirk that said “I am the baddest mother****er in here.” and you couldn’t really resent the smirk because he was in fact the baddest mother****er here.
 
Prince's popularity and talent are indisputable. What is disputable are claims he was innovative, and influential on popular music at large beyond his own little sphere.

I quick google search brings up a rather large list of artists influenced by Prince:

Beck
Lenny Kravitz
Lady Gaga
Robyn
St. Vincent
The Weeknd
Beyonce
Frank Ocean
Justin Timberlake
Janelle Monae
Miguel
Andre 3000
D'Angelo
Alicia Keys
Pharell
Kelly Clarkson
Nick Jonas
Ro James
Judith Hill
Delta Spirit
Liv Warfield
Rita Ora
Jim James
Adam Levine
Paloma Faith
Darius Rucker
Usher
Cee-Lo Green
Mary J Blige
Trent Reznor
Marilyn Manson
Duff McKagan
Corey Taylor
Amy Lee
Nikki Sixx
Lzzy Hale

That's a short list, there's an even larger list of artists speaking of his talent.
 
You say he was primarily an 80s phenomenon, yet more than half his CDs were released since 2000.
The '80s was when he carved out his little subgenre. He already was established subsequent to that. Most successful musicians have long careers after their initial heyday. Same with Prince.

He won two grammies in this century. His performance at the 2007 SB is pretty much considered one of the greatest drop the mic moments in music history (and he did it in the middle of a torential downpour). He played over 20 instruments, several of them at a virtuoso level. He was Michael Jackson with a boatload more talent.
The Grammys are a self-promotion marketing construct of the commercial music industry. They mean little in terms of genuine artistry, they mean everything in terms of what sells the most units to the lowest common denominator. "Drop the mic moment" for a halftime Super Bowl performance? That is hilarious! Nothing is more prefab than a Super Bowl halftime performance. No -- Prince was not a "virtuoso" instrumentalist -- not by a million miles. No, a BILLION miles. On anything. Was he competent? Certainly. Was he talented at putting together an entertaining show? Most definitely. But stop with this faux hero worship making him out to be something he wasn't beyond a popular entertainer. He was not a "virtuoso," "widely influential" or a "genius."
 
The '80s was when he carved out his little subgenre. He already was established subsequent to that. Most successful musicians have long careers after their initial heyday. Same with Prince.

The Grammys are a self-promotion marketing construct of the commercial music industry. They mean little in terms of genuine artistry, they mean everything in terms of what sells the most units to the lowest common denominator. "Drop the mic moment" for a halftime Super Bowl performance? That is hilarious! Nothing is more prefab than a Super Bowl halftime performance. No -- Prince was not a "virtuoso" instrumentalist -- not by a million miles. No, a BILLION miles. On anything. Was he competent? Certainly. Was he talented at putting together an entertaining show? Most definitely. But stop with this faux hero worship making him out to be something he wasn't beyond a popular entertainer. He was not a "virtuoso," "widely influential" or a "genius."
Sorry, as someone who's made music his life's work for 40 years, I have to say, you don't actually
understand music at all.

I can guarantee you that real musicians everywhere could not possibly disagree with you more.
 
Sorry, as someone who's made music his life's work for 40 years, I have to say, you don't actually
understand music at all.

I can guarantee you that real musicians everywhere could not possibly disagree with you more.
It really gives me food for thought to hear such insightful comments from the peanut gallery. ;) ("Drop the mic moment in the Super Bowl halftime show." I'm still laughing at that gem! Thank you.)
 
It really give me food for thought to hear such insightful comments from the peanut gallery. ;) ("Drop the mic moment in the Super Bowl halftime show." I'm still laughing at that gem! Thank you.)
Did you, you know, actually watch that performance?

I know, I'm sure you got a lot more out of Aerosmith.
 
True, but people have several accounts, mixed them up.

Problem with doing a certain behavior most of the time is you may enter an environment when it's inappropiate/not tolerated and might forget.

I'm not the biggest fan of anonymous posters, as some really abuse it and do things they would dare not do in person. If I don't want to say it to someone's face, I generally don't say it online either.

Most wouldn't say it to your face. Similar to how tough guys behind the steering wheel change their tune when you end up parking next to them in the same parking lot.

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I was mostly referring to the fact that "online reputation" is meaningless and has zero impact on my day to day life.

I can't control (or even care) how others online perceive my comments. If it was up to me, every single online forum would be free of restrictions on what people can say and how they can behave, and if people have a problem with a certain poster, they can put that member on their ignore list.

"online reputation is meaningless"......There was a member here (NEM), like "everyone" here, knew him by his comments. He was banned and came back under another name. Couldn't pull it off as "everyone" knew his verbage. Each of us could go through members names (Harry, Patters, Cowboy, Tunes, Mrs. Virginia, etc) and each has a reputation. To say online reputation is meaningless is saying that you will not repost as you don't care about the thread or want to defend your post. I hope it does not impact your day as there is more to life then a political forum.
 
Most wouldn't say it to your face. Similar to how tough guys behind the steering wheel change their tune when you end up parking next to them in the same parking lot.

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I agree, they always change their tune when it turns out you're actually prepared for fisticuffs, and not just pretending to be. Reminds me of the cyclist I recently chased on foot between the train tracks downtown (but the guy did spit in my face). Then after thinking about what I just typed, I wonder if I'm just one of the crazy ones for not letting stuff like that go.
 
Not only was Prince a prolific song writer and performer, but we haven't even heard half of what he produced. Despite his large catalog of published work, he leaves some 2K more finished pieces in his vault awaiting potential release.
 
I agree, they always change their tune when it turns out you're actually prepared for fisticuffs, and not just pretending to be. Reminds me of the cyclist I recently chased on foot between the train tracks downtown (but the guy did spit in my face). Then after thinking about what I just typed, I wonder if I'm just one of the crazy ones for not letting stuff like that go.

I've got kids and I'm older now so I no longer would chase someone down etc.. but when I was younger I had a few incidents. It's really not worth the hassle these days.

These days it is just comical when some idiot pulls into the same rest stop as you and has to live with those brief few moments of knowing that I know he is an idiot.
 
Springsteen opened his NY show tonight with a great E Street version of Purple Rain, one of the most beautiful songs ever written.

 
Despite his large catalog of published work, he leaves some 2K more finished pieces in his vault awaiting potential release.
Got a link for that? That would be roughly 67 songs a year every single year over the last 30 years, or about six "finished" songs a month.
 
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People may not like Prince's music and that's fine - to each his own; but to deny his legacy, influence and innovation is really shortsighted.
 
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