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Maybe BB will do something like trade down on pick #60 (300 pts) and pick up, for example, a high 3rd and a 4th.

Draft Smith with one of the extra picks to lower the risk.

Profit.

I think we can count on BB trading one of those 2nd rounders regardless since they're back to back picks, and hopefully it's a small trade down.
 
LOL, let Collins go? He is a one of a kind player. Jaylon Smith is coming off a serious injury and would lucky to be 9/10ths as good as Collins even if his health checked out 100%.

We are too quick to push players out the door just because we are afraid we can't afford them. The whole reason we moved Chandler Jones is because BB feels players like Collins, Butler, Hightower are more important to our core and we're creating cap space to resign them.

Yup. Like, others here have said so long as the medical team gives the OK. And also if BB and his team agree he would fit in NE. I am not completely knowledgable of his game and how it would fit but I gather he would be a Collins superfreak. Let Collins go, keep Hightower and add Smith what do you lose? You gain money to pay other players than Collins.
 
LOL, let Collins go? He is a one of a kind player. Jaylon Smith is coming off a serious injury and would lucky to be 9/10ths as good as Collins even if his health checked out 100%.

We are too quick to push players out the door just because we are afraid we can't afford them. The whole reason we moved Chandler Jones is because BB feels players like Collins, Butler, Hightower are more important to our core and we're creating cap space to resign them.

Agree, I think all the moves they've made this offseason have been a direct result of trying to ensure they can keep Hightower, Collins, and Butler. I think @Miguel has pointed out in the past that they should be able to easily afford all 3 as long as they didn't also try and sign Jones too. Given how the dominoes have fallen so far, I'd be inclined to think the Pats are actively working on extensions for HT and JC, with Butler the 3rd in line since he's still so cheap and under control for the next 2 seasons (after this year he's a restricted FA, and they can make him exclusive if they so choose I believe).
 
LOL, let Collins go? He is a one of a kind player. Jaylon Smith is coming off a serious injury and would lucky to be 9/10ths as good as Collins even if his health checked out 100%.

We are too quick to push players out the door just because we are afraid we can't afford them. The whole reason we moved Chandler Jones is because BB feels players like Collins, Butler, Hightower are more important to our core and we're creating cap space to resign them.

You do realize the amount of FAs this team will have next year? Not just back end filler but contributers that draft picks this year won't be able to fill in one year. I don't understand where people think they will have all this money. They have High, Collins and Butler on the team this year at their current salaries and the cap is sitting at 5ish. Now, where pray tell is the top end money coming from to sign all 3, plus fill out the rest of the roster? Got a left tackle? How about a right tackle? Losing a Collins/Hightower/Butler is an extremely likely possibility. It's not thst we are afraid we can't afford them, it's more like we CAN'T afford them. Denver has to pay one so they lost 2 major parts of their D to big paydays. This team will be no different. Some teams will a)pay through the nose because they are dumb and b) try to screw the Pats. Doesn't mean they can't recover, just means all three being here will most likely not happen.
 
You do realize the amount of FAs this team will have next year? Not just back end filler but contributers that draft picks this year won't be able to fill in one year. I don't understand where people think they will have all this money. They have High, Collins and Butler on the team this year at their current salaries and the cap is sitting at 5ish. Now, where pray tell is the top end money coming from to sign all 3, plus fill out the rest of the roster? Got a left tackle? How about a right tackle? Losing a Collins/Hightower/Butler is an extremely likely possibility. It's not thst we are afraid we can't afford them, it's more like we CAN'T afford them. Denver has to pay one so they lost 2 major parts of their D to big paydays. This team will be no different. Some teams will a)pay through the nose because they are dumb and b) try to screw the Pats. Doesn't mean they can't recover, just means all three being here will most likely not happen.

Although they have a TON of FA's up after this year, @Miguel's projected total cap figure for 2017 is also only $98 million. That means they'll have roughly $60 million in cap to burn on FA's. It won't be easy, but the Pats should be able to resign or extend (ideally before next offseason) their core group while filling positions out with quality depth signings like they always do. There were multiple reasons the Pats signed Chris Hogan and not Marvin Jones or Sanu, and one of the contributing factors i'm sure was how many of their own FA's they need to resign in 2017.
 
You do realize the amount of FAs this team will have next year? Not just back end filler but contributers that draft picks this year won't be able to fill in one year. I don't understand where people think they will have all this money. They have High, Collins and Butler on the team this year at their current salaries and the cap is sitting at 5ish. Now, where pray tell is the top end money coming from to sign all 3, plus fill out the rest of the roster? Got a left tackle? How about a right tackle? Losing a Collins/Hightower/Butler is an extremely likely possibility. It's not thst we are afraid we can't afford them, it's more like we CAN'T afford them. Denver has to pay one so they lost 2 major parts of their D to big paydays. This team will be no different. Some teams will a)pay through the nose because they are dumb and b) try to screw the Pats. Doesn't mean they can't recover, just means all three being here will most likely not happen.
Over The Cap's estimate of a $166 million cap gives the Pats $72 million in 2017 cap room with 30 players under contract. That also doesn't account for the ~15 rookies they'll draft between now and the 2017 season. To completely over simplify things, that's enough to sign Collins, Hightower, and Butler each for $9 million cap hits in 2017, 10 guys on rookie or cheap veteran contracts averaging a million each, 10 mid-tier veterans averaging $3 million each, plus $5 million left over.

Also note that Solder is still under contract through 2017 and presumably still the plan at left tackle then, but you could get another $7 million in cap room by cutting him a year from now. Amendola is the only other guy that sticks out, with $6.5 million in savings if he's cut next year.
 
Not before the fourth round.

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Luke Kuechly was the best college linebacker to ever play the game and there was very little probability he did not become a superstar. He's a future Hall of Famer and no one who watched him in college, when he would know where the play was going before the player getting the ball did, would have doubted that if you told him.

Smith is more of a Derrick Johnson, a guy who (assuming no lasting effects from injury) could be a Pro Bowl guy for a decade. I'd take that in the top 10 picks, though, let alone the 2nd or 3rd.

I also worry about keeping Collins and Hightower though I'm more sanguine about it than previous posters. Still, this would be some nice insurance. With a need a year off, and the Patriots luxury of lots of picks with relatively few holes to fill on the roster, I could easily see Smith as a 2nd rounder. It would be, as Patriots picks have gone in various degrees of success, much less of a shock than Tavon Wilson or Sebastian Vollmer in the 2nd, or Duron Harmon, Stevan Ridley, Jake Bequette, Ellis Hobbs, or Jordan Richards in the 3rd

Couldn't agree more. I also agree about Kuechly. He's probably closer to say a Bowman currently, but he's still got all world potential.
 
Here's the video of his passing rushing moves. REALLY good.

 
I think we can count on BB trading one of those 2nd rounders regardless since they're back to back picks, and hopefully it's a small trade down.

Also quite possible to trade into next year, seeing as how we only have 5 total picks in 2017 and 11 this year. That's actually what I'm expecting.
 
Over The Cap's estimate of a $166 million cap gives the Pats $72 million in 2017 cap room with 30 players under contract. That also doesn't account for the ~15 rookies they'll draft between now and the 2017 season. To completely over simplify things, that's enough to sign Collins, Hightower, and Butler each for $9 million cap hits in 2017, 10 guys on rookie or cheap veteran contracts averaging a million each, 10 mid-tier veterans averaging $3 million each, plus $5 million left over.

Also note that Solder is still under contract through 2017 and presumably still the plan at left tackle then, but you could get another $7 million in cap room by cutting him a year from now. Amendola is the only other guy that sticks out, with $6.5 million in savings if he's cut next year.

Great points, Sciz, but historically speaking, when has Belichick chosen to pay for elite talent at 3-4 positions on the same side of the ball? It's usually just a couple of players, with some middle of the road pacts, and some team friendly/value pacts.

Defensively speaking--right now, we have McCourty as the sole party who's making top dollar. Prior to that it was Wilfork, although there was some overlapping with Mayo as well, keeping in mind that Mayo fell into the old wage scale for high priced rookies. Prior to that was the decision to move on from Seymour and give Wilfork the priority. Yes, we "could've" kept both, but that usually doesn't mesh with Belichick's line of thinking.

In 2007, we had Thomas making top dollar, as well as Seymour. I'm sure there were some other middle of the road deals, but they weren't for high money/longer term. In other words, more in line with what Solder got with his 2 year extension. If we're going to try and keep all of those players, this is what it will take:

1) Someone will have to take a team friendly deal. We've seen the Bradys and Bruschis of the world do it before, which has allowed more spending for other key players. Who, if anyone, will do it this time around?

2) Someone will likely take a good money, but smaller year deal, like Nate Solder did on offense. We cannot keep throwing around these 5/50 kind of deals like McCourty received when attempting to project guys like Butler, HT, Collins. It's just not going to happen in my opinion. The money may be there, but that's just not how Belichick has typically operated. Maybe they can take advantage of getting Butler out of the way now for something like a 3/25 deal, which would benefit both sides?
 
Also quite possible to trade into next year, seeing as how we only have 5 total picks in 2017 and 11 this year. That's actually what I'm expecting.

I know our 4th was stolen in 2017, what other pick are the Pats missing?
 
6th round comp pick..after a year on the bench, a defensive standout for the next 10years
 
I know our 4th was stolen in 2017, what other pick are the Pats missing?

Yeah, that would make 6, but many others have claimed that we're down an additional pick as well, which is where I got the 5 from.

Until someone clarifies things, I'm going to amend my original comment and call it 6.
 
Also quite possible to trade into next year, seeing as how we only have 5 total picks in 2017 and 11 this year. That's actually what I'm expecting.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if that happened either, but it's been a while since we've seen teams willing to trade with the Pats for a 2nd rounder in exchange for a pick the next year, since it's typically a much higher pick needed to make it done (ie; generally a 1st is needed or high 2nd the following year).
 


I may be changing my tune a little bit after reading this. Looks like Jaylon Smith has a drop foot problem due to nerve damage. Don't know too much about it, and I'm not a doctor. I did read up on it a little bit, and it doesn't look good. Feel really bad for the kid.
 


I may be changing my tune a little bit after reading this. Looks like Jaylon Smith has a drop foot problem due to nerve damage. Don't know too much about it, and I'm not a doctor. I did read up on it a little bit, and it doesn't look good. Feel really bad for the kid.


Could be a smokescreen as well. What was the source?

If true is he still worth a 7th? Can drop foot improve?
 


I may be changing my tune a little bit after reading this. Looks like Jaylon Smith has a drop foot problem due to nerve damage. Don't know too much about it, and I'm not a doctor. I did read up on it a little bit, and it doesn't look good. Feel really bad for the kid.


Yikes. Ya, feel awful for the guy.
 
I wouldn't draft Jaylon Smith--period. Nerve damage and drop foot is difficult to overcome for an athlete. Add to that, that's at the beginning of his pro career. Especially with the complexity of our system. Or maybe it's getting newfound money from a signing bonus and then having a lot more free time on your hands, compared to healthy rookies.

The track record of guys that miss all or most of their first year with us is not good. I feel bad for the guy. But nope, he's not for us.
 
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