A Different Idea - Other Extensions

mgteich · Apr 10, 2016

Should we extend any of the following? I believe that any of these would create cap money. Clearly, an extension of Cannon would only take place in the pre-season when we knew what we had in the draft and in Waddle. Of course, some would argue that we should trade or cut these players since they don't have much productive time left with the patriots.

Ninkovich

Amendola

Vollmer

Cannon

jboston19 · Apr 10, 2016

I think Nink and Vollmer are approaching the end of their time here. Amendola definitely should be restructured. Cannon should probably not be in the nfl at all.

Ochmed Jones · Apr 10, 2016

Should bb try to extend Hightower this year and then franchise Collins next year?

Jimke · Apr 10, 2016

Ochmed Jones said:
Should bb try to extend Hightower this year and then franchise Collins next year?

It is mandatory that one or the other be extended this year. Otherwise, we are going to lose one of them.

manxman2601 · Apr 10, 2016

It's interesting that I see little talk about extending Harmon. There's a scarcity of good single-high safeties in the league so he'll probably get more elsewhere than he would here but having Harmon enables BB/Patricia to get more creative with McCourty. If they can get him to re-sign for reasonable money, it would be good to have the safety position locked down for the next three years.*

* I'm being selfish. It's really hard to scout safeties without all-22. It would be nice not to have to worry about it.

stinkypete · Apr 10, 2016

In the past, Belichick has extended young defensive cornerstones on the last years of their rookie deals after the draft and often during camp. Seymour, Warren, Mayo, others?

Ochmed Jones · Apr 10, 2016

manxman2601 said:
It's interesting that I see little talk about extending Harmon. There's a scarcity of good single-high safeties in the league so he'll probably get more elsewhere than he would here but having Harmon enables BB/Patricia to get more creative with McCourty. If they can get him to re-sign for reasonable money, it would be good to have the safety position locked down for the next three years.*

* I'm being selfish. It's really hard to scout safeties without all-22. It would be nice not to have to worry about it.

Bb loves safties. I would not be surprised if he picks up another one early in this draft.

Fencer · Apr 10, 2016

manxman2601 said:
It's interesting that I see little talk about extending Harmon. There's a scarcity of good single-high safeties in the league so he'll probably get more elsewhere than he would here but having Harmon enables BB/Patricia to get more creative with McCourty. If they can get him to re-sign for reasonable money, it would be good to have the safety position locked down for the next three years.*

* I'm being selfish. It's really hard to scout safeties without all-22. It would be nice not to have to worry about it.

According to New England Patriots 2015 Snap Counts | Pro-Football-Reference.com, the sum of the safeties' and CBs' defensive snap counts was in the range of 250% each of all snaps. Harmon alone was at ~55%, vs. ~25% the previous season and ~37% the year before that.

In 2013 and 2014 there was a more conventional CB/S skew, and a little bit lower DB snap count overall.

I think BB would be happy to lock up Harmon for a few million dollars per year. The question is whether Harmon could earn good-starter money elsewhere, in which case he probably should.

manxman2601 · Apr 10, 2016

Fencer said:
According to New England Patriots 2015 Snap Counts | Pro-Football-Reference.com, the sum of the safeties' and CBs' defensive snap counts was in the range of 250% each of all snaps. Harmon alone was at ~55%, vs. ~25% the previous season and ~37% the year before that.

In 2013 and 2014 there was a more conventional CB/S skew, and a little bit lower DB snap count overall.

I think BB would be happy to lock up Harmon for a few million dollars per year. The question is whether Harmon could earn good-starter money elsewhere, in which case he probably should.

I know PFF isn't popular round here but I was listening to one of their podcasts and they were talking about the dearth of quality safeties in the draft year on year and were saying that there haven't been any quality single-high safeties in the draft since Earl Thomas "except, maybe Harmon". In that context, Harmon's pick in the third round makes a lot more sense and points to his potential value to other teams unfortunately.

JMC00 · Apr 10, 2016

but but but on draft day people said Harmon was a terrible reach and that they should have not traded #29 and drafted Matt Elam, Johnathan Cyprien or DJ Swearinger

Ochmed Jones · Apr 10, 2016

manxman2601 said:
I know PFF isn't popular round here but I was listening to one of their podcasts and they were talking about the dearth of quality safeties in the draft year on year and were saying that there haven't been any quality single-high safeties in the draft since Earl Thomas "except, maybe Harmon". In that context, Harmon's pick in the third round makes a lot more sense and points to his potential value to other teams unfortunately.

Ramsey is perhaps the best safety in the past decade, however as is the case with all the best safeties, he will probably start at CB and later move to safety, such is the need for cb's in this league.

manxman2601 · Apr 10, 2016

Ochmed Jones said:
Ramsey is perhaps the best safety in the past decade, however as is the case with all the best safeties, he will probably start at CB and later move to safety, such is the need for cb's in this league.

And even then, he probably won't be a single high safety. They are a rare bunch. I watched Rutgers games after we drafted Harmon, like everyone else, I knew nothing about him. He played almost exclusively as a single high safety in his final year at Rutgers. Considering how he's used today, it's pretty clear BB drafted him for that reason.

TheFlyingWedge · Apr 11, 2016

With Scars at the helm of the O-line, it will be interesting to see how they go about addressing personnel next year. Vollmer only has a year (maybe two) left and Cannon proved himself to be nothing more than an emergency backup lineman who is scheduled to come with a $4,754,168 2016 cap hit. Hopefully a solid tackle will fall to us in the 2nd or 3rd round, but Cannon still being around here is concerning.

mgteich · Apr 11, 2016

TheFlyingWedge said:
With Scars at the helm of the O-line, it will be interesting to see how they go about addressing personnel next year. Vollmer only has a year (maybe two) left and Cannon proved himself to be nothing more than an emergency backup lineman who is scheduled to come with a $4,754,168 2016 cap hit. Hopefully a solid tackle will fall to us in the 2nd or 3rd round, but Cannon still being around here is concerning.

I believe that a 2nd or 3rd round OT is expected by one and all. However, there is much less consensus with regard to what problems this solves for this year or next. Such a draftee provides a potential, an option. We still need a backup LT for 2016 and a backup RT for 2016.

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