Great news for Patriots fans! Marvin Lewis got a one year extension

Nunchucks said:

Who are you comparing him to?

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Other coaches

Nunchucks said:

People have skewed ideas of what is solid coaching in the nfl.

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Indeed. For example, you actually seem to think Lewis is a solid coach. That's a skewed idea of solid NFL coaching, right there.

13 NFL seasons as a head coach
0 playoff wins
Solid?

Not so much

Wow.

Deus Irae said:

Other coaches



Indeed. For example, you actually seem to think Lewis is a solid coach. That's a skewed idea of solid NFL coaching, right there.

13 NFL seasons as a head coach
0 playoff wins
Solid?

Not so much

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Isn't he like the coach with the second longest tenure in the league behind Bill? Unbelievable.

Deus Irae said:

Other coaches



Indeed. For example, you actually seem to think Lewis is a solid coach. That's a skewed idea of solid NFL coaching, right there.

13 NFL seasons as a head coach
0 playoff wins
Solid?

Not so much

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Which ones?

Maybe they would.prefer McDaniels?

The guy that was a disaster in denver?

Adam Gase?

You have to win in the regular season to get into the playoffs. At least Lewis has that part.

Mack Herron said:

Further evidence that the short bus stops at Mike Brown's house.

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Marvin Lewis is driving the short bus.

A 1 year contract is like a death row sentence. Who would the Bengals have brought in to HC now if Lewis demanded a longer deal?

These threads are not up to the patriot way. Stay classy.

Wow

Nunchucks said:

Which ones?

Maybe they would.prefer McDaniels?

The guy that was a disaster in denver?

Adam Gase?

You have to win in the regular season to get into the playoffs. At least Lewis has that part.

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Sorry, you can compare him to any coach. He has a stacked roster. So he wins a lot.

But two things show that he is clearly not a good coach - he usually loses in marquee (primetime) games and always loses in the playoffs. That is when coaches show what they really are. If you have a ton of talent, you can win a lot of games. What sets the good coaches from the bad coaches in this case is wins in big games. Lewis fails all the time.

There aren't a lot of good head coaches out there, but here are some I would clearly take over Lewis:

Belichick
Andy Reid
Sean Payton
Bill O'Brien
Pete Carroll
Bruce Arians
John Harbaugh
Ron Rivera
Mike McCarthy (and I think he is overrated)

The problem is most of the rest of the league have churned coaches in recent years that it is hard to judge most of the other head coaches. Many of them have only been head coaches for a very short time.

Why is this "Great news!"? Are we scare of the bangles?

These are the active HCs in the NFL that I would take over Marvin Lewis.

Bruce Arians
Bill Belichick
Todd Bowles
Jim Caldwell
Pete Carroll
Jeff Fisher
John Fox
Jason Garrett
John Harbaugh
Chip Kelly
Gary Kubiak
Mike McCarthy
Bill O'Brien
Chuck Pagano
Sean Payton
Andy Reid
Ron Rivera
Rex Ryan
Mike Tomlin
Mike Zimmer


These are the active HCs whose body of work is too small to say either way.

Hue Jackson
**** Koetter
Ben McAdoo
Doug Pederson
Dan Quinn

I look at Marvin Lewis as a modern day Barry Switzer. Like Switzer, he is a horrible coach with too much talent not to succeed. Unlike Switzer, Lewis' team isn't so stacked that he could luck into a Super Bowl win.

Rob0729 said:

Sorry, you can compare him to any coach. He has a stacked roster. So he wins a lot.

But two things show that he is clearly not a good coach - he usually loses in marquee (primetime) games and always loses in the playoffs. That is when coaches show what they really are. If you have a ton of talent, you can win a lot of games. What sets the good coaches from the bad coaches in this case is wins in big games. Lewis fails all the time.

There aren't a lot of good head coaches out there, but here are some I would clearly take over Lewis:

Belichick
Andy Reid
Sean Payton
Bill O'Brien
Pete Carroll
Bruce Arians
John Harbaugh
Ron Rivera
Mike McCarthy (and I think he is overrated)

The problem is most of the rest of the league have churned coaches in recent years that it is hard to judge most of the other head coaches. Many of them have only been head coaches for a very short time.

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So, I would remove Bill O'Brien from that list, but for the most part...okay, I will give that to you. That is eight coaches or the top 25% of the league. That means 75% of the coaches in the NFL are going to be worse than Marvin Lewis.

I think of it as kind of like Marty Shottenheimer. The guy just could not win playoff games, for whatever reason. He was a killer head coach though. So, why couldn't he win in the playoffs? Talent? Opponent? intangiables?

No matter the reason, whenever he was fired for not being able to win in the playoffs, guess what happened to those teams....that is right, they got worse.

Nunchucks said:

So, I would remove Bill O'Brien from that list, but for the most part...okay, I will give that to you. That is eight coaches or the top 25% of the league. That means 75% of the coaches in the NFL are going to be worse than Marvin Lewis.

I think of it as kind of like Marty Shottenheimer. The guy just could not win playoff games, for whatever reason. He was a killer head coach though. So, why couldn't he win in the playoffs? Talent? Opponent? intangiables?

No matter the reason, whenever he was fired for not being able to win in the playoffs, guess what happened to those teams....that is right, they got worse.

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Schottenheimer won playoffs games. If he was 0 for his career in the playoffs he could be a comparison.
13 years and zero playoff wins is abysmal. What good is a regular season win if you never ever win a playoff game?

I believe that Lewis will get his playoff wins. Lets not forget that Dalton has been throwing INTs in the playoffs all over the place...oh, and he had his backup QB against the steelers and still almost won the game.

Nunchucks said:

I believe that Lewis will get his playoff wins. Lets not forget that Dalton has been throwing INTs in the playoffs all over the place...oh, and he had his backup QB against the steelers and still almost won the game.

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So you are judging his failure by expecting him to stop failing after 13 years? That just makes no sense to me.

AndyJohnson said:

So you are judging his failure by expecting him to stop failing after 13 years? That just makes no sense to me.

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Each season is an independent piece of work. You can judge him on all 13 or look at each season independently. Either way, he wins in the regular season and that is not easy to do. Most coaches don't win in the regular season. Chances are high that the next guy they hire will make the team worse. The playoff drought will not continue forever, keep on plugging away and learn from mistakes.

Bengals are a young team with a QB just coming into his prime. Why do you think getting a new coach and a new system would be a good idea?

Nunchucks said:

Why do you think getting a new coach and a new system would be a good idea?

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Because winning in the post season is much more important than winning in the regular season. 0-7 is terrible.

Galeb said:

Because winning in the post season is much more important than winning in the regular season. 0-7 is terrible.

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Can't win in the post season if you don't win in the regular season. Bengals play the steelers and ravens twice a year.

I decided to do a comparison of all HCs who coached for at least 5 years in the NFL. Just looking at regular season winning % alone Marvin Lewis ranked 49 out of 95 HCs. That doesn't even take into account his abysmal playoff record.

As for the current NFL HCs in that category he ranked 11 out of 16, right behind Jim Caldwell. If we added in all the current HCs there are four more that would jump ahead of him, Ariens, Bowles, Kelley and Pagano.

His regular season "success" hasn't been all that great.

Nunchucks said:

Can't win in the post season if you don't win in the regular season. Bengals play the steelers and ravens twice a year.

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Don't forget that division games are usually a lot closer because teams know each so well. That said, I'm not so sure the Ravens and Steelers are quite the power houses you consider them. Below are their records since 2003.

Ravens Steelers
2003 10 6 2003 6 10
2004 9 7 2004 15 1
2005 6 10 2005 11 5
2006 13 3 2006 8 8
2007 5 11 2007 10 6
2008 11 5 2008 12 4
2009 9 7 2009 9 7
2010 12 4 2010 12 4
2011 12 4 2011 12 4
2012 10 6 2012 8 8
2013 8 8 2013 8 8
2014 10 6 2014 11 5
2015 5 11 2015 10 6


Both teams have been .500 or below 4 times, just under a third of the time. The Ravens have only been above 10-6 four times, the same number of times they were .500 or below. The Steelers have been over 10-6 six times, which is pretty good, but that's not even in the same ballpark as teams like NE and Indy. The Browns have had only one winning season since 2003.

Having less than a 55% win percentage as a head coach in a pretty tough division is OK, but certainly shouldn't be considered "solid", especially when you went 0-7 in the playoffs.