OT: Ryan Clady Traded to the Jests

rookBoston said:

Brick was declining, but Clady isn't? That's a pretty impressive set of rose colored glasses you've got there.

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Clady, just like Forte, hasn't shown any signs of declining that I know of. Unless of course you consider injuries declining. (If you do though, given the Pats' injuries last year, you guys are screwed.) 2014 he was a Pro Bowler before being out all of 2015.

If I do have green glasses on though, I'd be happy to know. That's one of the reasons I'm here. I can get pro-Jet comments all day long over at JetNation. Here I hope to get some actual quality criticism. Granted a ton is just blind hatred, some is pretty helpful.

So what do ya have? Has Clady's play really shown signs of decline?

The deal makes sense for both DEN and the NYJ. Denver unloads surpluss to requirements with Okung in the fold at LT, and they send him outside of their division to the main competition of NE while slightly increasing the cap space to go after the QB of their choice.

Yeah, I do think injuries can be a sign of decline, especially if they are chronic things.

Regarding our injuries: Solder's injury was a torn bicep, which is usually a sign of over-training and hopefully not a sign of things to come (touch wood). But Vollmer's injuries are wear and tear type of injuries that are a sign that he's just running to his end. Lewis has a long injury history, and that's a just risk we've got on the roster. You can't win games from the trainer's room. Mayo's injuries were the type of chronic thing that ends careers, and lo-and-behold, it ended his career; and we replaced his roster spot with McClellin + Bostic + rookie, any of which may or may not pan out.

The Pats have a different approach to roster building than most teams, with regards to handling injuries. BB rarely spends top dollar on a veteran free agent all-pro starter, but he will spend top dollar on the no-name journeyman backup who can step in and fill a gap after the starter rips his ACL. The result is that despite a crazy mess of injuries all over the roster, the 2015 team still made the AFC Championship game and nearly won it.

Over 10 years, Brick showed no sign of wear, whatever you think of his "declining game". And from my seat, until he refused to take a pay cut and abruptly retired, I have no memory of Jets fans clamoring to bench the guy or trade him to anyone who'd take him for loose change and a bag of chips, because his declining game was a big deal. So I wonder how much of his "decline" is really just sour grapes now that he's gone? As a Pats fan, I perceived that the guy was a rare cornerstone on the roster along with Mangold, Wilkerson, Fitz and Revis, for a team that could use a few more cornerstones.

Clady is talented but unreliable... and unreliable just in these last few years. How much of his rep is based on old news? The Broncos didn't sell on him for a 5th-7th round swap because they felt he was at the top of his game and rising. What if you lose Clady in Week 3, what happens to your team then? If I'm the Jets GM, I fill Brick's roster spot with Clady in a bit of a panic, and now I need to spend a little more money on the depth chart behind him because I'm just not 100% sure he can play 19 games.

Is that really an upgrade? Feels like a Push to me, at best.

Certainly not an upgrade by any means, but definitely a fine choice to try and fill the hole at LT.

JetFan79 said:

Oh yeah, I'm figuring Wilk is definitely gone. Writing was on the wall ever since Williams was drafted. Regardless of whether or not Fitz is re-signed.

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You don't want to get me started on how badly I wanted Wilkerson in that draft. Still think about it every time I hear his name. I felt that he was a fine player with versatile skills. I would've put money on the fact that he was going to be our pick, that's how confident I was.

Anyone know whatever result became of the trade down? Is that the year we traded out of 28 to N.Orleans and they selected Ingram?

supafly said:

You don't want to get me started on how badly I wanted Wilkerson in that draft. Still think about it every time I hear his name. I felt that he was a fine player with versatile skills. I would've put money on the fact that he was going to be our pick, that's how confident I was.

Anyone know whatever result became of the trade down? Is that the year we traded out of 28 to N.Orleans and they selected Ingram?

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Yeah we got their 2nd and 2012 1st. It ended up being Shane Vereen and Chandler Jones, after a trade up.

Crazy Patriot Guy said:

Yeah we got their 2nd and 2012 1st. It ended up being Shane Vereen and Chandler Jones, after a trade up.

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I figured that either Hightower or Jones were involved, but couldn't remember the second player. Thank you.

All in all, it was probably a push, although these things are difficult to compare.

Patsfanin Philly said:

Actually isn't Clady's contract and cap hit higher than Ferguson's by 1.5million? So instead of having a guy who never missed a game, they gave up a draft pick and more money for a guy coming off an ACL. Typical Jets logic..

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Jets "Illogic".. see the Jets Suck... mediocrity maintained.

Clady is the best possible outcome for the jets after losing Dbrick. I don't think the scheme change will affect him in the passing game, going from a zone to man on is more of an issue for the interior guys.

The jets got the better player of the Okung/Clady deal. This deal leads me to believe that they do have a deal with Fitz in place pending a trade of Wilk. I am assuming that they had a handshake deal that the broncos would not pursue Fitz with the 9mill of cap room created. Because if that was not the case, that would be the funniest thing ever.

JetFan79 said:

Clady, just like Forte, hasn't shown any signs of declining that I know of. Unless of course you consider injuries declining. (If you do though, given the Pats' injuries last year, you guys are screwed.) 2014 he was a Pro Bowler before being out all of 2015.

If I do have green glasses on though, I'd be happy to know. That's one of the reasons I'm here. I can get pro-Jet comments all day long over at JetNation. Here I hope to get some actual quality criticism. Granted a ton is just blind hatred, some is pretty helpful.

So what do ya have? Has Clady's play really shown signs of decline?

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Well, decline from what? He did not play last year so it is kind of tuff to judge. There are plenty of questions regarding his health/play from his own team who know him best or they would not have moved on from him. He came back from the lis-Franc on his foot with the steel plate shoe, but now he will play with a knee brace and go to a new scheme. There is a reason he got traded for a fifth with 4 or 5 teams needing a LT.

I don't know if you were serious in bringing up the "reason" he was traded to the jets was to inhibit the pats. He was traded to the jets because the jets were the only team that would meet his terms and the broncos terms. If Tenn wanted him they would have taken the earlier 5th.

Pro bowler? you do understand that is fan voting, 1/4 of the team should not even be there. He did not sniff all pro that year though.

Tony2046 said:

Unless he redoes his contract the cap hit is set at about 9.5 million.


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Wow. $52mm contract with a $3mm signing bonus. That says "restructure me."

Joker said:

yup...there you have it...NY Jets -September Super Bowl winner for the 47th consecutive season.It must be great to be a JTSE fan...I know we're all extremely jealous here in New England.

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NJ Jets that is.

He's a Clady?

I get the argument that this was a sensible move for the Jets. But some are making it seem that they just won a prize. Is Clady that much better than Ferguson? Are the Jets that much better because of the move? Not imo. First he has stay healthy, 2nd he has perform after being off 2 of the last 3 years. The word pro bowler is thrown around a little bit too much when it comes to the offensive line. Especially former probowler.

Kinda like spending all of your money on a safe but having nothing of value to put in it.

rookBoston said:

Yeah, I do think injuries can be a sign of decline, especially if they are chronic things.

Regarding our injuries: Solder's injury was a torn bicep, which is usually a sign of over-training and hopefully not a sign of things to come (touch wood). But Vollmer's injuries are wear and tear type of injuries that are a sign that he's just running to his end. Lewis has a long injury history, and that's a just risk we've got on the roster. You can't win games from the trainer's room. Mayo's injuries were the type of chronic thing that ends careers, and lo-and-behold, it ended his career; and we replaced his roster spot with McClellin + Bostic + rookie, any of which may or may not pan out.

The Pats have a different approach to roster building than most teams, with regards to handling injuries. BB rarely spends top dollar on a veteran free agent all-pro starter, but he will spend top dollar on the no-name journeyman backup who can step in and fill a gap after the starter rips his ACL. The result is that despite a crazy mess of injuries all over the roster, the 2015 team still made the AFC Championship game and nearly won it.

Over 10 years, Brick showed no sign of wear, whatever you think of his "declining game". And from my seat, until he refused to take a pay cut and abruptly retired, I have no memory of Jets fans clamoring to bench the guy or trade him to anyone who'd take him for loose change and a bag of chips, because his declining game was a big deal. So I wonder how much of his "decline" is really just sour grapes now that he's gone? As a Pats fan, I perceived that the guy was a rare cornerstone on the roster along with Mangold, Wilkerson, Fitz and Revis, for a team that could use a few more cornerstones.

Clady is talented but unreliable... and unreliable just in these last few years. How much of his rep is based on old news? The Broncos didn't sell on him for a 5th-7th round swap because they felt he was at the top of his game and rising. What if you lose Clady in Week 3, what happens to your team then? If I'm the Jets GM, I fill Brick's roster spot with Clady in a bit of a panic, and now I need to spend a little more money on the depth chart behind him because I'm just not 100% sure he can play 19 games.

Is that really an upgrade? Feels like a Push to me, at best.

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Most Jet fans realized Brick was on the decline. Speaking for myself, I just figured it was something we'd deal with for a couple more years. I expected to restructure his deal this off-season and keep him around for at least two/three more years. Brick, to his credit, decided it was time to hang 'em up though. He even mentioned it in his retirement letter... stating it was becoming too difficult to keep up a good level of play.

Again, of course I worry about Clady missing 2013 and 15. However if he didnt, we wouldn't have him now. So I'm glad it happened.

Denver did try to restructure Clady's contract. So they know he can still play. He wouldn't budge though. So they decided to go with a cheaper (but still injury prone) option from Seattle.

Obviously no guarantees Clady will stay healthy this year. But at 6mil for a potential pro bowler, after Brick retires... Tough not to jump on that.

And yes, I realize making the Pro Bowl can be misleading. It still is somewhat of a decent barometer though. If you're consistently making the pro bowl, you're usually pretty good.

Gwedd said:

Not to overplay this, but again, it looks like the JESTS are staying true to form.

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If Clady is healthy, the Jets just significantly upgraded their LT position and saved money in the process.

Any contract/cap specialists around here? I'm hearing it's possible Clady's 2016 cap hit may only be 3mil, given how the rest is structured based on playing time and other incentives.

I'm thrilled @6mil. But 3mil would be freakin awesome. Just don't know enough to say if that's even possible.

Sooo.... apparently he did re-do his contract, which isn't awful, though might still not be team friendly enough to re-sign Fitz to what he wants

Which of course is the bottom line

Exactly WHO is Clady protecting??

It's like the Gift of the Magi where the Jets take the money for a QB and use it on an LT instead

Deus Irae said:

If Clady is healthy, the Jets just significantly upgraded their LT position and saved money in the process.

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I'm not sure I'd say upgrade.

I'm not faulting the Jets for not paying Ferguson $10 mil. And Clady is younger and cheaper than that - but I think they'd have been better off to have Ferguson at what they are paying Clady - so just from a player standpoint I'll consider this at best a wash if Clady stays healthy.

If he continues to be injury prone it's money completely wasted - though one can say the same thing about any injured player I guess.