Pot Roast visiting - (UPDATED - He's Reportedly Joining the Team)

robertweathers said:

I'd be very surprised to see Easley on the edge frequently.

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Completely agree. His strength is as an inside rusher, he is not best playing outside.
He is smallish and quick inside. He would be big and not so quick outside.

Ross12 said:

Would you say it's an "all-in" mentality? I think that's an interesting conversation to have. I want to think it's just BB being BB and signing guys at his price as they are available, but it just feels like he is doing "more" this year - more powerful upper-tier (Bennett, Knighton) and mid-tier (Long, Hogan, McClellin) moves - than normal.

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Yeah, the term "all in" is a bit silly and overused. I think BB is still sticking to his value system while upping the ante a bit. After all, we did see four former 1sts and a 2nd signed within a twenty four hour period.

I think with pot roast signing the pats will draft an OT in the second round. Solder and vollmer's contracts are up next year.

robertweathers said:

You can count the number of times he has lined up where a 4-3 DE lines up on one hand.

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And I think that trading Jones and adding pot roast will change his role to pick up some of Jones role in moving between outside and inside with Long as more of an early down end. However the development of Flowers will also play into this, if he takes a big step forward they can use him to pick up more of the rush from DE and keep Easely inside more. I don't think they want Sheard to replace Jones I think they want to continue floating him around the front 7 picking on mismatches and using him in stunts as they did last season. Overall I think the move to add pot roast helps more than as just an individual and really frees them up to get really creative with the front 7. They may add another DL if the right prospect is there in the draft but it's no longer a draft need.

supafly said:

Yeah, the term "all in" is a bit silly and overused. I think BB is still sticking to his value system while upping the ante a bit. After all, we did see four former 1sts and a 2nd signed within a twenty four hour period.

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I also got a sense of "all in" from Jonathan Kraft in his interview worth Curran and his comments about the best response now to the league is putting the best team they can on the field this year. While he didn't come right out and say it I think they really want to stick a Lombardi up the leagues ass.

They aren't done yet and still have a major need at RB but this team is looking as loaded heading into the season as any I can remember. I think they will put the finishing touches on it at the Draft.

TommyBrady12 said:

I think with pot roast signing the pats will draft an OT in the second round. Solder and vollmer's contracts are up next year.

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Vollmer is a FA after this year. Solder isn't a FA until after '17.

Ivan said:

And I think that trading Jones and adding pot roast will change his role to pick up some of Jones role in moving between outside and inside with Long as more of an early down end.

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So it does depend on the alignment. If you go back and look at some of his snaps at U of F he does line up as a DT in the 3-4. That might be ok on passing downs but not on a 3rd and 2. I guess he could line up as a DE in the 4-3 but I just don't recall him every doing it here.

Ivan said:

However the development of Flowers will also play into this, if he takes a big step forward they can use him to pick up more of the rush from DE and keep Easely inside more.

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Yes on Flowers and possibly Rufus as well. Maybe Grissom a little. Long will play every now and then.

Ivan said:

I don't think they want Sheard to replace Jones I think they want to continue floating him around the front 7 picking on mismatches and using him in stunts as they did last season.

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Yep. The rotation worked great last year. Sheard was used perfectly.

Ivan said:

Overall I think the move to add pot roast helps more than as just an individual and really frees them up to get really creative with the front 7. They may add another DL if the right prospect is there in the draft but it's no longer a draft need.

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Pot Roast gives them another big body in case Branch, Brown or Kitchen get hurt. He also gives them a little bit of a pass rush and can help if Easley gets hurt again.

Ross12 said:

Would you say it's an "all-in" mentality?

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Not at all.

Pot Roast will be worth the high salary this year ---I think our main competition is Pitt--they have an insane running game of Leveon Bell, Deangelo Williams, and some other talented dude that never should have fumbled the ball against Denver.

JMC00 said:

Vollmer is a FA after this year. Solder isn't a FA until after '17.

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Thanks. I could still see them getting an LT to sit behind solder and then cut solder after next year. Doesn't he have a big cap hit in 2017?

TommyBrady12 said:

Thanks. I could still see them getting an LT to sit behind solder and then cut solder after next year. Doesn't he have a big cap hit in 2017?

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I could see them choosing a high round tackle with the idea that he would likely take over for Vollmer in '17, then possibly move to the other side in '18.

Either way, we need another tackle or two, and let's hope we're not having the same convo next spring too.

Marqui said:

Welker.

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Guys I absolutely hate Wes Welker. He and basketball player James Harden are two athletes that I legitimately hate as human beings so I don't rationally think about Welker, but you guys are absolutely correct.

Speaking rationally, Welker is a good exception example and that's my mistake for missing him. I just mentally block him out as a former Patriot for the way he left and his comments about the organization and coach, the drop that cost us a Bowl, going to a freaking rival, and Jules making him straight up irrelevant (again, to me).

So yeah, I'll hold that L.

supafly said:

I could see them choosing a high round tackle with the idea that he would likely take over for Vollmer in '17, then possibly move to the other side in '18.

Either way, we need another tackle or two, and let's hope we're not having the same convo next spring too.

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I think thats exactly what they will do.

robertweathers said:

I also wonder if they aren't thrilled with any of the DTs in the draft. Maybe they draft a kid and ease him in as Branch and Pot Roast are done after 2016.

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That's unlikely. If they aren't impressed with this DT class, they'll never be impressed with a DT class. Having said that, with four Quality DTs on the team for this year, it's possible they don't see the value in taking one early anymore.

manxman2601 said:

That's unlikely. If they aren't impressed with this DT class, they'll never be impressed with a DT class. Having said that, with four Quality DTs on the team for this year, it's possible they don't see the value in taking one early anymore.

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Good point

On the other hand, Knighton and Branch both have deals that end after this season. That makes this a good time to grab a guy that needs another year of development, but will be a legit DT force moving forward, if they think that guy's in this draft.

manxman2601 said:

That's unlikely. If they aren't impressed with this DT class, they'll never be impressed with a DT class. Having said that, with four Quality DTs on the team for this year, it's possible they don't see the value in taking one early anymore.

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The nice thing is that they don't NEED to take one. We'll see what they wind up doing.

If a great talent falls to them then its a luxury.

Deus Irae said:

On the other hand, Knighton and Branch both have deals that end after this season. That makes this a good time to grab a guy that needs another year of development, but will be a legit DT force moving forward, if they think that guy's in this draft.

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Oh I agree, it's just that any draft pick is going to be DT #5 this year and the second round may be a little rich for that. There are some ideal possibilities there though. For example, Austin Johnson of Penn State would be the perfect long-term Branch replacement. I just wonder whether they might wait to the third or fourth round.

I think it's a given that one of the first two picks goes on an OT. It might be that they go With a more luxury pick with the other (pass rusher/CB/linebacker). But they have plenty of options in the draft so I'm fine with a DT in the 2nd (take advantage of a great class) or with going another way.

robertweathers said:

The nice thing is that they don't NEED to take one. We'll see what they wind up doing.

If a great talent falls to them then its a luxury.

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I think you hit the nail on the head there. Let the draft come to them.

Th3Birdman said:

Guys I absolutely hate Wes Welker. He and basketball player James Harden are two athletes that I legitimately hate as human beings so I don't rationally think about Welker, but you guys are absolutely correct.

Speaking rationally, Welker is a good exception example and that's my mistake for missing him. I just mentally block him out as a former Patriot for the way he left and his comments about the organization and coach, the drop that cost us a Bowl, going to a freaking rival, and Jules making him straight up irrelevant (again, to me).

So yeah, I'll hold that L.

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Disagree.
I am a Day One Edelperson fan but I have no animosity towards Welkah.
Yah, I blame him 2/3rds for dropping that SB pass but Brady owns 1/3rd or better for an errant throw.
Do not care about comments he made in the heat of passion.
Wish him the best.

manxman2601 said:

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Let the draft come to them.

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Yea I think thats the philosophy here. Grab decent players at good value in positions that require fortification in FA and if talent in the the draft represents good value then they pounce on him.