Bruce Allen: 56 lies of the NFL during Deflategate

Some of them are a stretch (like #55) with what he posted.. He should have made more of an effort in describing exactly why it was a lie..

Problem with this new rapid-fire headline style journalism is that all agendas use it, even the "good guys."

Elijah said:

Problem with this new rapid-fire headline style journalism is that all agendas use it, even the "good guys."

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According to all the 35+ year old women I know, there either are no "good guys" or they've all been taken.

Galeb said:

According to all the 35+ year old women I know, there either are no "good guys" or they've all been taken.

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They were too busy over valuing their market in their primes, and will now have to settle for veterans' minimum type deals.

Galeb said:

According to all the 35+ year old women I know, there either are no "good guys" or they've all been taken.

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Sounds like they need to have more realistic standards!

Thanks for the link!

IMO, this is a brilliant piece that elegantly documents in simple steps - and phrases - the villainous actions and inactions of the league against the Pats.

Bruce's simple numbering and chronological account makes it easy to follow.

alas, this is probably going to be read only by us Patsfans and not by the general fans.

Who would've thought for one minute that an extremely gifted young athlete with the utmost of values, would be involved in one of the greatest snafus in the history of professional football.

This ridiculously over-inclusive list weakens the significance of the few, but extremely damaging lies the NFL actually did tell:

1. Mortensen Leak
2. Giardi Letter
3. "No sting"
4. "Independent"
5. Mischaracterization of Brady appeal testimony re calls to jaz.

The first one is really the mother of them all. And, it was knowing, bald-faced, and malicious. For months, everyone thought the balls were at a psi that could not be explained by physics. Just like people dont remember the Herald retraction of the Walsh story, they wont remember how miniscule the change in PSI really was.

letekro said:

This ridiculously over-inclusive list weakens the significance of the few, but extremely damaging lies the NFL actually did tell:

1. Mortensen Leak
2. Giardi Letter
3. "No sting"
4. "Independent"
5. Mischaracterization of Brady appeal testimony re calls to jaz.

The first one is really the mother of them all. And, it was knowing, bald-faced, and malicious. For months, everyone thought the balls were at a psi that could not be explained by physics. Just like people dont remember the Herald retraction of the Walsh story, they wont remember how miniscule the change in PSI really was.

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Geez, the list of lies presented by Allen in the section titled The Wells Report sure doesn't help your opinion elsewhere about The Wells Report does it @letekro?

I'm hopeful people continue to build cases against the NFL. At some point, the FBI and other organizations won't be able to ignore these corrupt bastards any longer.

ausbacker said:

Geez, the list of lies presented by Allen in the section titled The Wells Report sure doesn't help your opinion elsewhere about The Wells Report does it @letekro?

I'm hopeful people continue to build cases against the NFL. At some point, the FBI and other organizations won't be able to ignore these corrupt bastards any longer.

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But...they aren't lies. Calling them such does not make them such.

Btw, That stupid needle picture is completely overblown. The caption of the photo says the logo needle is "noticeably" longer. The very preceeding picture in the Exponent report shows the two gauges head on and clearly shows the logo gauge needle is about twice as long and slightly more bent than the other. And yes, both needles are "slightly bent". Focusing on this nonsense takes the focus away from the real whoppers in the list i provided.

letekro said:

But...they aren't lies. Calling them such does not make them such.

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It's interesting that you continue pressing this line of thinking despite the fact that almost everybody who has interacted with you on the subject shares an agreement that The Wells Report was a hatchet job and his credibility and impartiality will continue to be questioned.

I like you as you offer many thought provoking opinions but you're dead wrong on this subject.

I like it

You can argue all day long whether it's 26 big lies and 30 little fibs,
36 big lies and 20 little fibs,
or 56 big lies

but it's a good list (though only us in the choir cares)

ausbacker said:

It's interesting that you continue pressing this line of thinking despite the fact that almost everybody who has interacted with you on the subject shares an agreement that The Wells Report was a hatchet job and his credibility and impartiality will continue to be questioned.

I like you as you offer many thought provoking opinions but you're dead wrong on this subject.

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You and the posters you refer to would decry every piece of persuasive writing written ever as full of "lies, damn lies." Lawyers and all other kinds of writers supporting a position shade the facts their way. Saying that the PSI was 10.1 when it was really 10.9 is a f-ing lie. The stuff youre talking about, im sorry, its just not. You and your retinue are obviously not familiar with this type of writing.

letekro said:

You and the posters you refer to would decry every piece of persuasive writing written ever full of "lies, damn lies." Lawyers and all other kinds of writers supporting a position shade the facts their way. Saying that the PSI was 10.1 when it was really 10.9 is a f-ing lie. The stuff youre talking about, im sorry, its just not. You and your retinue are obviously not familiar with this type of writing.

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You can continue repeating this line and you can continue insulting the intelligence of multiple members on this board but when several posters of note share the same opinion, one which diverges from yours, even a dullard understands there's probably one person who needs to reassess their opinion.

You're wrong on The Wells Report. You've been wrong from the beginning and you'll continue being wrong in the future unless you simply admit you made a mistake, you've updated your opinion, and moved on.

You're sounding very NFL right now @letekro. Doubling down on a poor position still means you hold a poor position.

ausbacker said:

You can continue repeating this line and you can continue insulting the intelligence of multiple members on this board but when several posters of note share the same opinion, one which diverges from yours, even a dullard understands there's probably one person who needs to reassess their opinion.

You're wrong on The Wells Report. You've been wrong from the beginning and you'll continue being wrong in the future unless you simply admit you made a mistake, you've updated your opinion, and moved on.

You're sounding very NFL right now @letekro. Doubling down on a poor position still means you hold a poor position.

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You mean, I've been right on the Wells Report from the beginning? Before it was even issued i tried my best to disabuse Rob90210 and others of the notion that this report would be in any way independent and objective. You can go back and check me on that.

letekro said:

You mean, I've been right on the Wells Report from the beginning? Before it was even issued i tried my best to disabuse Rob90210 and others of the notion that this report would be in any way independent and objective. You can go back and check me on that.

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Nobody believed The Wells Report would ever be objective, independent, or objective and independent. Ted Wells established this when he sentenced Richie Incognito to NFL purgatory for little more than lockerroom banter. No, your argument has been Wells maintained his credibility because The Wells Report was heavily edited by Pash. The argument against your position (and this is why your opinion has been discredited) is Pash edited The Wells Report so that makes Wells fine, is not fine because Wells authored a crap report that Pash edited to make even more embarrassing.

For one reason or another, your MO seems to be moving the goalposts and referring to different reports, briefs, arguments when one, each, or all are hammered by people here with a good grasp on the situation. I really don't understand why you do this because you're not an idiot and you do offer reasonable and engaging commentary.

letekro said:

But...they aren't lies. Calling them such does not make them such.

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*ROFLMAO* The fact that you continue to claim that the Wells Report contains no lies despite the fact it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it does shows that you are mentally deficient.

The fact that the NFL claimed that McNally left the locker-room secretly is a lie. He walked out from the back of the locker-room past all the officials and past numerous people from the Commissioner's office and past NFL Security. How is that "leaving the locker-room secretly"? Did he borrow Harry Potter's Cloak of Invisibility?

How about the pictures? That is blatantly lying. Showing the gauges measured differently is lying..

Saying that the Patriots footballs weren't wet at half-time is lying.

Or how about the fact that the Wells Report claimed that the Patriots refused to allow McNally to be made available for a 5th time. In reality, they said that they'd do it via a phone interview. Something the league refused.

So, there are 4 lies RIGHT THERE. So please stop already with your BS claims that the Wells Report didn't lie. It DID. It was filled with them..

DaBruinz said:

*ROFLMAO* The fact that you continue to claim that the Wells Report contains no lies despite the fact it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it does shows that you are mentally deficient.

The fact that the NFL claimed that McNally left the locker-room secretly is a lie. He walked out from the back of the locker-room past all the officials and past numerous people from the Commissioner's office and past NFL Security. How is that "leaving the locker-room secretly"? Did he borrow Harry Potter's Cloak of Invisibility?

How about the pictures? That is blatantly lying. Showing the gauges measured differently is lying..

Saying that the Patriots footballs weren't wet at half-time is lying.

Or how about the fact that the Wells Report claimed that the Patriots refused to allow McNally to be made available for a 5th time. In reality, they said that they'd do it via a phone interview. Something the league refused.

So, there are 4 lies RIGHT THERE. So please stop already with your BS claims that the Wells Report didn't lie. It DID. It was filled with them..

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I cant find in the report where it says McNally left the locker room secretly. Are you saying that the officials are lying about not noticing him leave? Or are you saying that they told Wells that they did notice McNally leave but Wells is lying?

I also cant find where it says the Patriots balls werent wet.

The patriots wouldnt produce Mcnally for another interview with Wells. According to the Patriots, they offered something "other than an in person interview." I have no idea what that was. There was a report that Mcnally wanted to do a phone interview. Its not clear whether the Patriots wouldve allowed that.

How is the picture of the needles a lie? There are two pictures that show clearly that one is twice as long as the other. The captions say one of them is "noticeably" longer and that both are "slightly bent." These are true statements. there is no argument made that the needles could have been mistaken (because one is "noticeably" longer). The argument for the nonlogo gauge being used relates to the unlikelihood of the logo gauge and the patriots and colts gauges all being off by exactly the same amount.

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I cant find in the report where it says McNally left the locker room secretly. Are you saying that the officials are lying about not noticing him leave? Or are you saying that they told Wells that they did notice McNally leave but Wells is lying?

I also cant find where it says the Patriots balls werent wet.

The patriots wouldnt produce Mcnally for another interview with Wells. According to the Patriots, they offered something "other than an in person interview." I have no idea what that was. There was a report that Mcnally wanted to do a phone interview. Its not clear whether the Patriots wouldve allowed that.

How is the picture of the needles a lie? There are two pictures that show clearly that one is twice as long as the other. The captions say one of them is "noticeably" longer and that both are "slightly bent." These are true statements. there is no argument made that the needles could have been mistaken (because one is "noticeably" longer). The argument for the nonlogo gauge being used relates to the unlikelihood of the logo gauge and the patriots and colts gauges all being off by exactly the same amount.

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You clearly haven't read a stitch of the Patriots rebuttal to the Wells Report. In fact, I'd say you've purposely ignored it and insist on taking Wells Report as the hard facts despite your claims to the contrary...

You can't find in the report where it says that McNally left the room secretly?
- Page 4, item 4 of the Wells Report:
"Unknown to Anderson, and without Anderson‟s permission or the
permission of any other member of the officiating crew, McNally had taken the
balls from the Officials Locker Room towards the playing field."

If someone leaves unknown, that usually means they left in secret.. At least to the layman..

Furthermore, video shows McNally walking past NFL Official James Daniel from the official's locker-room. The video clearly shows Daniel looking at McNally and saying nothing. James Daniel is one of the officials that was notified of the Colts PSI concerns.

How are the pictures of the two needles a lie? Because they measure the needles two different ways in a blatant attempt to make it look like one isn't that much longer than the other.. You're blathering doesn't change that..

The Patriots wouldn't produce McNally for a 5th interview because he'd already been interviewed 4 times. 3 by NFL Security and people from the Commissioner's office and once by Wells. The one by Wells and his investigators required McNally to take time off from work AND lasted more than 7 hours.

"Although receiving no assurances that the requested additional Mr. McNally interview would satisfy the agreed-upon interview protocol, Patriots counsel nonetheless suggested that there might be ways other than another in-person interview to get whatever further information was sought. Patriots counsel offered to be of assistance in those respects. There was no follow-up from the investigators."

The other way the Patriots suggested was to do a conference call so that McNally wouldn't have to take time off work, again, to drive down.