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BelichickFan · Mar 22, 2016

mgteich said:
you mean like Hicks?

Some do, some don't.

ctpatsfan77 · Mar 22, 2016

jboston19 said:
It's already capped at 4. but they'll probably screw us and give us as low a pick as possible.

They really can't without making it blindingly obvious. It's about 95% average annual contract value.

As a case in point: note that the Patriots ended up with the first comp pick in round 6 and the last comp pick. It turns out the cutoff on round 5 picks was just above the player NE lost, while the cutoff on round 6 picks was just after the player NE lost (many projections had the Pats getting a 5, 6, and 7).

If the Pats should have, say, a 4, 5, and 6, but somehow end up with three 7s, people will notice.

supafly · Mar 23, 2016

BobDigital said:
You will likely not get an offensive weapon as good and impact as Bennett for a lower price.

We're talking about the guy who held out last offseason because he was so unhappy about this "lower priced contract" that you're speaking of.

If he does anything close to worth a damn, he won't be resigning here for that kind of money. You can jack up the asking price by at least 50% with anything close to an acceptable year.

patfanken · Mar 23, 2016

This draft is going to be very interesting. 11 total picks, yet nothing really until the top of the 3rd round. I think that is why we have so many failed and semi-failed first rounders on the team. This is going to be a total development draft. I doubt there will be any rookie who is likely to have much of an impact his first year, like Brown, Jackson, Mason, and Andrews did this past year. Maybe there will be a RB who might pop, but the rest will all be picked low enough in the draft that they'll need to develop and end up more like Flowers and Brown. Players who will more likely help us in 2017.

With all the picks we have in the 6th and 7th round, we won't have to beg any "priority UDFA's" to come aboard this season because we will have plenty of draft capital to grab all we want. We should be looking at all the players who are dropping because of medical issues or need red shirt years. Every kid who has raw talent but questionable character needs to be looked at by us.

This is going to need to be the "diamond in the rough" draft, because lets face it, if ****head Roger took all 11 picks away from us this spring, all it would mean to this football team is that the end of April will be a lot less interesting for all of us, but all it would mean is that there would be another 10 or so roster openings for existing NFL FA's to try and make this roster. And I believe among THOSE guys we would be l be more likely to find one or two that can help us THIS year than the large crew that will come in here next July from college.

In fact this draft reminds me of the 2007 draft which all had a large number of low round draft picks coming into a pretty stacked roster, and the end result of that year was Brandon Merriweather and that was about it. Now we don't have anything close to a pick in the late 20's

BobDigital · Mar 23, 2016

supafly said:
We're talking about the guy who held out last offseason because he was so unhappy about this "lower priced contract" that you're speaking of.

If he does anything close to worth a damn, he won't be resigning here for that kind of money. You can jack up the asking price by at least 50% with anything close to an acceptable year.

Yes he will want money and a lot for a TE. But that is cheap in comparison to what an skilled WR gets paid and is a better investment. To get a WR as impactful as Bennett you would probably need to pay 50% more. TEs are one of the few spots you can really get a deal in the NFL. Even at 7-8M a year it would be a deal comparatively if he played like a top 10 TE over the length of the contract.

BobDigital · Mar 23, 2016

patfanken said:
This draft is going to be very interesting. 11 total picks, yet nothing really until the top of the 3rd round. I think that is why we have so many failed and semi-failed first rounders on the team. This is going to be a total development draft. I doubt there will be any rookie who is likely to have much of an impact his first year, like Brown, Jackson, Mason, and Andrews did this past year. Maybe there will be a RB who might pop, but the rest will all be picked low enough in the draft that they'll need to develop and end up more like Flowers and Brown. Players who will more likely help us in 2017.

With all the picks we have in the 6th and 7th round, we won't have to beg any "priority UDFA's" to come aboard this season because we will have plenty of draft capital to grab all we want. We should be looking at all the players who are dropping because of medical issues or need red shirt years. Every kid who has raw talent but questionable character needs to be looked at by us.

This is going to need to be the "diamond in the rough" draft, because lets face it, if ****head Roger took all 11 picks away from us this spring, all it would mean to this football team is that the end of April will be a lot less interesting for all of us, but all it would mean is that there would be another 10 or so roster openings for existing NFL FA's to try and make this roster. And I believe among THOSE guys we would be l be more likely to find one or two that can help us THIS year than the large crew that will come in here next July from college.

In fact this draft reminds me of the 2007 draft which all had a large number of low round draft picks coming into a pretty stacked roster, and the end result of that year was Brandon Merriweather and that was about it. Now we don't have anything close to a pick in the late 20's

BB might pick a stop gap RB in the draft but he will probably look to get his star RB next year. I think the Pats do well with picking guys who impact on the season within the first 3-4 rounds unless there are guys ahead of them on the roster.

meatface · Mar 23, 2016

Fencer said:
Actually, I don't see why they'd have any comp picks that year, even if Blount and Wendell sign with other teams.

2018, on the other hand ...

Hicks

supafly · Mar 23, 2016

BobDigital said:
Yes he will want money and a lot for a TE. But that is cheap in comparison to what an skilled WR gets paid and is a better investment. To get a WR as impactful as Bennett you would probably need to pay 50% more. TEs are one of the few spots you can really get a deal in the NFL. Even at 7-8M a year it would be a deal comparatively if he played like a top 10 TE over the length of the contract.

You make a fair point. I still believe that there is a strong likelihood that he's here on a 1 year deal, but one can make the argument that Belichick may rather pay a proven TE who can block vs. a WR.

After all, we did give deals to both Ahern and Gronk, so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

jboston19 · Mar 23, 2016

ctpatsfan77 said:
They really can't without making it blindingly obvious. It's about 95% average annual contract value.

As a case in point: note that the Patriots ended up with the first comp pick in round 6 and the last comp pick. It turns out the cutoff on round 5 picks was just above the player NE lost, while the cutoff on round 6 picks was just after the player NE lost (many projections had the Pats getting a 5, 6, and 7).

If the Pats should have, say, a 4, 5, and 6, but somehow end up with three 7s, people will notice.

I know but conspiracy theories are fun!

Plus, the NFL doesn't seem to care about trivial stuff like "being righ5" or "facts" and instead merely relies on everyone hating the Pats and not caring if they're treated unfairly. But no, I don't honestly expect them to screw them blatantly like that.

stinkypete · Mar 23, 2016

supafly said:
We're talking about the guy who held out last offseason because he was so unhappy about this "lower priced contract" that you're speaking of.

If he does anything close to worth a damn, he won't be resigning here for that kind of money. You can jack up the asking price by at least 50% with anything close to an acceptable year.

This is why I think Bennett will put in a big year. He knows this is the perfect scenario for him to rebuild his image, get a ring and cash in. He will be a good soldier, keep his mouth shut, and contribute 50 catches and 6 - 8 TDs as the 4th option in this offense.

goheels22002 · Mar 23, 2016

Impact players in that late 2nd, early 3rd round tend to be skill players who dropped out of the first round for some reason, and who landed in with the right team. The Patriots are one of those "right teams," since no rookie is going to be expected to come in to serve as a front-line starter. They'll have experienced, playoff-tested veterans around them.

NFL Draft: 5 Best 3rd-Round Picks of the Past Decade - Sportsnaut.com

patsbrasilpatriotas · Mar 23, 2016

BobDigital said:
I doubt it happens but if possible I would love to see a Bennett extension worked out for the next 3-4 years.

Gronk-Bennett-Edelman-Lewis to wrap up Brady's last push works for me.

Also TEs give you a better bang for your buck. You will likely not get an offensive weapon as good and impact as Bennett for a lower price.

I think its possible. We dont pay for a #1 WR so we can pay for 2 #1 TE. Why not? Bennet for 7-8 m per with the cap growing is possible IMO.

rookBoston · Mar 23, 2016

patfanken said:
In fact this draft reminds me of the 2007 draft which all had a large number of low round draft picks coming into a pretty stacked roster, and the end result of that year was Brandon Merriweather and that was about it. Now we don't have anything close to a pick in the late 20's

It does remind me of 2007...the draft where BB seemed uninterested in drafting anyone.

That was a notoriously bad draft class with 6 of the top 10 picks flopping, headlined by Jamarcus Russell. And although Revis was in the class, and Patrick Willis, and a few other household names, the class was so thin that the Bills chose Marshawn Lynch at 12 despite having severe ligament damage that caused him to miss his entire rookie year, and it wasn't certain he'd ever play football again. He never did much for the Bills. At #12, too!!

Instead of drafting players, BB spent his draft capital actively trading out of 2007 into 2008 (1st, 3rd,) and for pro players (2nd for Welker, 4th for Moss, 5th for Doug Gabriel... that one not as successful as the other two). It was as if he just had no interest in the way the draft class stacked out at all. He picked at the compensatory slots, but not much to show.

This time the cause is a little different. I think all things considered BB would want the first round pick. And this class is rumored to be weak at the top but deep into the middle rounds...I'm not sure if that's true or even just a consensus.

If true, we might actually find some players in the middle to late rounds of this draft. Ridley was a 3rd. Koppen was a 5th. David Givens was a 7th. Any of those guys would be a fit for this roster if they were coming out now.

Kontradiction · Mar 23, 2016

I think they will try to extend Long (if the money is right and he wants to round out his career on a winner) and Cooper (if Scar can motivate him). Bennett getting extended will depend upon his attitude in the locker room. The rest of those guys will either kick rocks after TC or kick rocks after the season.

Ross12 · Mar 23, 2016

patsbrasilpatriotas said:
I think its possible. We dont pay for a #1 WR so we can pay for 2 #1 TE. Why not? Bennet for 7-8 m per with the cap growing is possible IMO.

It is possible but my concern is then whether that creates discontent with Gronk or in the locker room, paying a relatively new guy more money than Gronk to be behind Gronk on the depth chart.

If they can get Bennett for $7M a year (and they want to), I say they do it, bump Gronk's pay up to $7.5M a year and call it a day...

EDIT: I'm dumb, I don't know what Gronk makes - apparently he averages $9M a year already.

patsbrasilpatriotas · Mar 23, 2016

Ross12 said:
It is possible but my concern is then whether that creates discontent with Gronk or in the locker room, paying a relatively new guy more money than Gronk to be behind Gronk on the depth chart.

If they can get Bennett for $7M a year (and they want to), I say they do it, bump Gronk's pay up to $7.5M a year and call it a day...

I agree but Gronk is making 9m per, by far he was the TE with the biggest contract in 2012. Next year they can extend him and give him more gtd money to lower his number in 2018/19

Ross12 · Mar 23, 2016

patsbrasilpatriotas said:
I agree but Gronk is making 9m per, by far he was the TE with the biggest contract in 2012. Next year they can extend him and give him more gtd money to lower his number in 2018/19

Oops, I've been thinking he was only making $6M a season for all this time. Wow, I was way off. They should be able to extend Bennett without a big issue then...

patsbrasilpatriotas · Mar 23, 2016

Ross12 said:
Oops, I've been thinking he was only making $6M a season for all this time. Wow, I was way off. They should be able to extend Bennett without a big issue then...

No, he signed in 2012 for 54m/6 years. I hope they extend everybody ( Sheard/Collin/HT and Butler) and Bennett too. I think they will need a #2 CB because Ryan will be expensive to us for a #2 CB....

zydecochris · Mar 23, 2016

rookBoston said:
It does remind me of 2007...the draft where BB seemed uninterested in drafting anyone.

That was a notoriously bad draft class with 6 of the top 10 picks flopping, headlined by Jamarcus Russell. And although Revis was in the class, and Patrick Willis, and a few other household names, the class was so thin that the Bills chose Marshawn Lynch at 12 despite having severe ligament damage that caused him to miss his entire rookie year, and it wasn't certain he'd ever play football again. He never did much for the Bills. At #12, too!!

Instead of drafting players, BB spent his draft capital actively trading out of 2007 into 2008 (1st, 3rd,) and for pro players (2nd for Welker, 4th for Moss, 5th for Doug Gabriel... that one not as successful as the other two). It was as if he just had no interest in the way the draft class stacked out at all. He picked at the compensatory slots, but not much to show.

This time the cause is a little different. I think all things considered BB would want the first round pick. And this class is rumored to be weak at the top but deep into the middle rounds...I'm not sure if that's true or even just a consensus.

If true, we might actually find some players in the middle to late rounds of this draft. Ridley was a 3rd. Koppen was a 5th. David Givens was a 7th. Any of those guys would be a fit for this roster if they were coming out now.

I think that BB will find somebody to use all of those low round draft picks on. At least the first 5 of them.

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