NFL Free Agency Thread

Kontradiction · Mar 10, 2016

I wouldn't mind the Pats signing Starks if they draft a RB like Williams right behind him. Starks is a capable back. He's nothing fancy but he can move the chains and can catch the ball out of the backfield. Harbor? Eh. I've seen him up close with the Jags. He's basically Hooman.

crownontherocks · Mar 10, 2016

I want foster. But id also grab another rb with him

Ring 6 · Mar 10, 2016

primetime said:
Starks flies beneath the radar but consistently grades out as one of the league's most efficient running backs. He doesn't get a ton of touches, but he's very good at succeeding with those carries and receptions. Criminally underrated change-of-pace guy, I'd be pretty happy if the Patriots brought him in.

Very good complement to Lewis.

Kontradiction · Mar 10, 2016

primetime said:
Starks flies beneath the radar but consistently grades out as one of the league's most efficient running backs. He doesn't get a ton of touches, but he's very good at succeeding with those carries and receptions. Criminally underrated change-of-pace guy, I'd be pretty happy if the Patriots brought him in.

Agreed but they should still invest a draft pick in the position if they don't plan on bringing back Blount.

primetime · Mar 10, 2016

KontradictioN said:
Agreed but they should still invest a draft pick in the position if they don't plan on bringing back Blount.

Yeah, Starks and Lewis would make a good one-two but you still need a thumper. Maybe they're happy giving Tyler Gaffney a chance to fight it out with a draft pick.

Ring 6 · Mar 10, 2016

Big Bucks said:
If Forte was a sprite 25 years old moving on from his rookie deal I think I would agree with you. The Jets themselves have shown there hand by bringing in and resigning RBs to share on a committee with. If Forte is to see out those three years there is now way on this earth he plays 3 downs. Never happening. I really would not be surprised they signed him out of spite to stop us also. Jets are a committee running unit.

Huh?
Bilal Powell sat on the bench until the Jets had no one else.
Khiry Robinson is a scrub.

That is exactly what you sign to back up a guy you just brought in to play every down.
Do you think they are supposed to have one RB on the roster?

You are probably right that by year 3, his playing time will diminish, but for now, he was brought in to carry the ball 300 times and catch 75 passes.
That would not have been available to him here.

Todd Bradley · Mar 10, 2016

AndyJohnson said:
Let me go slow so you can understand.

A team has a limited amount of cap space. They must have starters at all positions, and they must have specialists. They must have backups, but rarely are backups starting caliber on any team at any position, because there is a cap.

When teams sustain injuries, they get weaker at those positions.
They do not get weaker because they 'didn't plan for it'. They got weaker because they cannot afford starting caliber players as backups, not to mention those players won't want to come to a team where they are backups.
If you are good enough, you overcome the injuries and still win with some lesser players on the field. Aside from a putrid OL, the Patriots were just that.

What position are you going to weaken to have expensive depth at WR? That's the only choice. So next year when a different position gets injured you will be railing all offseason about having twice as many starters as needed at THAT position.

Kearse is going to cost 8 million a year.

We need to sign players. The argument you are making, that the players we need to spend the most money on are the ones who will play if Gronk, Edelman and Amendola get hurt, comes with the consequence that you choose to hurt the talent that is out on the field at a different position in order to have depth at WR. What happens when the position you weakened gets injured?

Or are we just going to pretend that we can get whoever we want and there are no consequences to the rest of the roster?

All your responses have been fluff, telling me about the importance of cap space, when I'm sitting here advocating on not spending big on JAGs. Cutting LaFell, Harper and Dobson and replacing them with two mid-tier FAs is a wash cap space wise.

Stop telling me about cap space. I know very well what cap space is, how it works and how it needs to be spread out.

You have no idea what Kearse will cost and neither do I. If he cost 8 mill, then obviously that's absurd and he will not be coming here. But if Matthews is getting 4/5, you absolutey should consider signing Kearse for the same money.

This conversation with you has become a merry go round of non-information. But feel free to continue, I'm done.

Ring 6 · Mar 10, 2016

primetime said:
Yeah, Starks and Lewis would make a good one-two but you still need a thumper. Maybe they're happy giving Tyler Gaffney a chance to fight it out with a draft pick.

Starks is 218. He can play all the downs Lewis doesn't.
If he comes here, you need to have a backup for him. That could be Blount (they could compete for reps) or a draft choice.

Marqui · Mar 10, 2016

I'd be fine with Starks if he's cheap.

PatCat · Mar 10, 2016

JMC00 said:
Like the first 8 games when they didn't have a real outside guy but were still were putting up 30 points a game??

The deeper you go the better the teams get usually and the Broncos had the d to stall new England in the absence of a outside guy and stacked the box. No one could get open and it showed. Blame the Oline for everything but our receiving core is not all its hyped to be. Gronk is on another planet but everyone else is human. Not taking the world away from Lewis and Edelman but this team needs more if they want more hardware.

IllegalContact · Mar 10, 2016

AndyJohnson said:
That was before Lankford emerged and took his playing time away. After that he had no interest in staying.

No. He wants to be an every down back. Teams offered that to him, such as the Jets. Sure, after narrowing the teams that would give him the role he wanted it became about money, but its obtuse to say sharing the role didn't matter to him.

Lankford emerged because the Bears were moving on from Forte.......the Bears had no interest in signing him, guess it's convenient for him to say he doesn't want to stay since he was already gone in their minds

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ture-biggs-bears-spt-1120-20151119-story.html

"I actually like it because now going forward I'm not going to have to play every single play or every down," Forte said. "So we can at least be healthy and be at full speed out there."

Kontradiction · Mar 10, 2016

PatCat said:
The deeper you go the better the teams get usually and the Broncos had the d to stall new England in the absence of a outside guy and stacked the box. No one could get open and it showed. Blame the Oline for everything but our receiving core is not all its hyped to be. Gronk is on another planet but everyone else is human. Not taking the world away from Lewis and Edelman but this team needs more if they want more hardware.

This is correct. The first time they won a title in 10 years was with a guy that can threaten outside the numbers. They need that again.

DW Toys · Mar 10, 2016

Elijah said:
I kind of remember Robinson being able to catch some passes, but I might be stereotyping him as a former Saint. According to his stats, I seem to be wrong. Looks like the Jets are going for Ivory v2.

I have another suggestion. This kid is what Scott Chandler was to be. Maybe you can take a Hogan and a Draft pick. Zack Miller.
He was Mr. Clutch for Jay Cutler.
Check this kids athleticism.

Sanu had 33 receptions and 0 TDS . Miller had 34 receptions and 5 TDs, FYI Sanu ran a 4.67 40 at 211 lbs. and Miller a 4.53 40 at 230 lbs.(Now 240)

Solves problems. Cheap signing the Pats love. Can beat some DBs. Solved the move TE target they seek. Then they get perhaps a WR in Hogan or Boldin and Draft a WR mid pack like a Cajuste.

Thoughts?

DW Toys

Ring 6 · Mar 10, 2016

Todd Bradley said:
All your responses have been fluff, telling me about the importance of cap space, when I'm sitting here advocating on not spending big on JAGs. Cutting LaFell, Harper and Dobson and replacing them with two mid-tier FAs is a wash cap space wise.

EVERYTHING is about cap space. Every move you make has an opportunity cost of others you cannot.
It isn't fluff, its reality.
Kearse costs 8 mill a year. Cutting guys who make 3 to sign him and another guy who will want 4-5 is not a wash.

Stop telling me about cap space. I know very well what cap space is, how it works and how it needs to be spread out.

Your posts are ignoring it.

You have no idea what Kearse will cost and neither do I. If he cost 8 mill, then obviously that's absurd and he will not be coming here. But if Matthews is getting 4/5, you absolutey should consider signing Kearse for the same money.

He will get more than Mohammed freaking Sanu, unless you think contracts are just random. He is better than players who are getting 7-8 mill.
Kearse is not taking what a slug like Matthews got, because he is much, much better.

This conversation with you has become a merry go round of non-information. But feel free to continue, I'm done.

You should be done, because you are like the housewife who runs up the credit card buying bonbons and then wonders why she cant pay the mortgage.

Kontradiction · Mar 10, 2016

DW Toys said:
I have another suggestion. This kid is what Scott Chandler was to be. Maybe you can take a Hogan and a Draft pick. Zack Miller.
He was Mr. Clutch for Jay Cutler.
Check this kids athleticism.

Sanu had 33 receptions and 0 TDS . Miller had 34 receptions and 5 TDs, FYI Sanu ran a 4.67 40 at 211 lbs. and Miller a 4.53 40 at 230 lbs.(Now 240)

Solves problems. Cheap signing the Pats love. Can beat some DBs. Solved your move TE target. They get perhaps a WR in Hogan or Boldin and Draft a WR mid pack like a Cajuste.

Thoughts?

DW Toys

All reports out of Chicago are that the Bears are done with Bennett and will fight to keep Miller.

IllegalContact · Mar 10, 2016

AndyJohnson said:
Huh?
Bilal Powell sat on the bench until the Jets had no one else.
Khiry Robinson is a scrub.

That is exactly what you sign to back up a guy you just brought in to play every down.
Do you think they are supposed to have one RB on the roster?

You are probably right that by year 3, his playing time will diminish, but for now, he was brought in to carry the ball 300 times and catch 75 passes.
That would not have been available to him here.

Bilal Powell is getting paid roughly what forte is getting paid......and no, Powell did not sit on the bench until the Jets had no one else

watch as the forte wheels fly off the bus ala Steven Jackson in Atlanta

Uncle Rico · Mar 10, 2016

Hammer of Thor said:
Denver Broncos' receiver Emmanuel Sanders caught tampering with PatsFans.com's own @Uncle Rico

Emmanuel Sanders has a specific quarterback in mind

Dang, now everyone knows why I haven't been posting.

KDPPatsfan85 · Mar 10, 2016

Anybody know that the Patriots have talked to Boldin and James Jones?

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PatCat · Mar 10, 2016

Sarcasm

KontradictioN said:
This is correct. The first time they won a title in 10 years was with a guy that can threaten outside the numbers. They need that again.[/QUOTE Sarcasm accepted but what happened this year. Did Denver not stack the box? Why? Can't blame it all on the oline. I hate Denver but they covered our receivers well excluding Gronk. Don't want to see this happen again

fnordcircle · Mar 10, 2016

KontradictioN said:
This is correct. The first time they won a title in 10 years was with a guy that can threaten outside the numbers. They need that again.

Specious reasoning, imo (I just watched that episode of the Simpsons)

I think LaFell had less to do with us winning a title than Revis and the young guys on D coming into their own. We had the ultimate threaten outside the numbers guy and couldn't seal the deal in 2007.

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