OT: Chiefs punished for tampering

MitchKumstein said:

Vincent noted that the punishment could have been more severe were it not for the fact that the Chiefs have never previously violated such a rule.

Like the Jets?

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Koma said:

On the topic of transparency, where is the league's evidence of tampering? When the Patriots are involved, all we heard was how the public is entitled to see the evidence or Brady not turning over his personal phone is a sign of guilt. So, if the NFL doesn't lay out their case against the Chiefs publicly, if they refuse to reveal this information, the Bart Hubbuch's and Gregg Doyel's of the world are going to call them on it, right?

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OhExaulted1 said:

Right, because maybe Roger the arbitrator will overrule Roger the commissioners punishment and everyone will live happily ever after.
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Unfortunately we're all going to have to sit back and wait for him to piss off owner after owner until they collectively finally have enough of his BS and jettison him. Hunt has voiced his displeasure and his appeal will might get him a touch of leniency. Maybe.

If you think for one second Roger would have gave us back that 1st if Kraft appealed you're living in a fantasy world. Kraft *****ed about it but conceded in the hopes Roger would have given Brady a break. He didn't.

To many people, to me, are more interested in posturing than results. I don't see it that way. Soap box bravado doesn't impress me.

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Ivan said:

More ********. Are you capable of making a point without using a Straw man? You know goddamn well that people don't expect to win but believe owners should fight back instead of taking league bullish.t happily. The Chefs got f.cked here and have every right to push back on a league office that slams whomever they want and let's those they favor walk away scott free. And the more teams that fight back the sooner this POS commissioner is out of office.

You can keep making these idiotic Strawman arguments all you went but don't be surprised when people throw the same sh.t right back at you.

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Patriot Missile said:

Would love to see the evidence the NFL has against the Chiefs. Was it as bad as the Jets owner publicly tampering in alive interview?

Evidence lol. What was I thinking. This is the NYJFL

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XLIX said:

Don't quote me on this because I haven't been following this story terribly closely, but I don't think the Chiefs are denying that they did it or proclaiming their innocence, so the evidence doesn't really matter. Yes, they're protesting the actual punishment, but that is based on being inconsistent with prior punishments, not based on saying they are innocent.

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Jlaff said:

So is there some evidence of what the Chiefs actually did yet?

And more to the point that has been made earlier, that Goodell is trying to look like he is capable of punishing other teams harshly too. A lot of non-Pats fans would suggest that's tin foil hat material. But, without a doubt they will include and highlight this punishments in any forthcoming briefs they present to the courts (if of course it goes beyond this appeal). I would argue it should be excluded however, self-serving after the fact...

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OhExaulted1 said:

It's not a strawman argument. Hunt will appeal. Goodell will reject it and then it wont get brought up again until he
a)does it to another team or
b)lets the Jets get away with another violation

Im not defending Kraft. Im simply pointing out reality. You can call it a strawman, a birdman or whatever you want. Until he screws over enough of the 32 only then will they unite and oust him.

He's working hard on doing just that. Good. No one owner is capable of going it alone.

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Jlaff said:

So is there some evidence of what the Chiefs actually did yet?

And more to the point that has been made earlier, that Goodell is trying to look like he is capable of punishing other teams harshly too. A lot of non-Pats fans would suggest that's tin foil hat material. But, without a doubt they will include and highlight this punishments in any forthcoming briefs they present to the courts (if of course it goes beyond this appeal). I would argue it should be excluded however, self-serving after the fact...

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Ivan said:

The strawmat argument is that people here are arguing that Kraft could have gotten the first back when the vast majority have acknowledged they wouldn't have but still wanted home to fight back, it's just like your other Strawman argument that those pissed off at Kraft love Goodell, it's complete bullish.t and you know it. You can't defend Kraft because even he acknowledged he was wrong and apologized for it so you resort to bullish.t straw man arguments like these.

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OhExaulted1 said:

So basically if Kraft had screamed to the heavens it would have made you feel better. I take it your not the forgiving type as well seeing how you acknowledge he admitted he was wrong and apologized. What should his next course of action be?

Maybe your therapist can help you work through this.

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Ivan said:

Actually I was among those who accepted his apology and took some sh.t for it, however unlike you i'm not going to claim he didn't f.ck up because he clearly did. And the point of fighting back was to make their innocence clear for all to see instead of capitulating and having everyone take it as an admission of guilt, which is exactly what happened. And as far consulting a doctor goes I will take your advice on that as soon as you see a proctologist to have your head removed from your ass.

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