Tavon Wilson Era Possibly Over

DarrylS said:

There are also 52 other guys on this team who might have something to say about all of this.. no doubt that #12 and BB are geniuses in their own right, however there are a lot of complimentary pieces to enhance their greatness.

This thread falls into the predictable abyss of how poorly BB drafts(rinse, repeat ad infinitum)and has been mentioned all the other AFC teams draft at much higher positions yet remain mediocre.. somehow we excel, why is that BB & #12?? Doubt that. It is finding the right guys and playing to their strengths..

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Yes, football is definitely a team game.

There's no doubt in my mind though that the main reasons for the Pats' remarkable success has been Brady's QBing and BB's coaching.

Drafting players is a crap shoot, which is why the drafting numbers look the same for most teams, including ours.

Terrible pick at the time. Still a terrible pick to this day. It was a waste of a second rounder. He never recovered from getting absolutely torched and being completely out of place in Seattle.

DarrylS said:

There are also 52 other guys on this team who might have something to say about all of this.. no doubt that #12 and BB are geniuses in their own right, however there are a lot of complimentary pieces to enhance their greatness.

This thread falls into the predictable abyss of how poorly BB drafts(rinse, repeat ad infinitum)and has been mentioned all the other AFC teams draft at much higher positions yet remain mediocre.. somehow we excel, why is that BB & #12?? Doubt that. It is finding the right guys and playing to their strengths..

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The quarterback is, far and away, the most important position in football. The Patriots have the best QB ever to play the game.

16-0 to 18-1 against a strong schedule v. 11-5 and missing the playoffs against a weak schedule.

It's that simple, whether you doubt it or not.

Teams are not built on a single draft pick...thank goodness....else we would have a team filled with JAGs.
btw....for the doubters.... Bill and Tom giving you the number one sign ....

This was one the minions had right and Bill had wrong. We're on to Jordan Richards.

Mack Herron said:

This was one the minions had right and Bill had wrong. We're on to Jordan Richards.

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I'm not sure that this is great comparison. Richards many end up also being a special teamer.

Mack Herron said:

This was one the minions had right and Bill had wrong. We're on to Jordan Richards.

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We're on to Weddel

Despite all of the other draft busts perviously noted, this may possibly be the worst pick in the BB era.

I remember when he was picked the analysts had nothing to say about him because he wasn't on anyone's board (for the entire draft). All they could say was something along the lines of 'well, BB has a knack for picking the diamonds in the rough ala Logan Mankins.'

1960Pats said:

I didn't mean to be critical of the Pats. I was only providing the numbers that I have for the AFCE in answer to Darryl's question about the drafting of players. I'm perfectly happy with the results, as all Pats fans should be also.

I don't agree though that going 3/3, 3/7 or 3/10 is the same. If the Pats are trading down to acquire more picks they are technically leaving better players on the table.

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Here is a hypothetical that might help explain why 3/3 = 3/7 = 3/10.
Before that, let's keep in mind that 32 teams draft 256 players, or on average eight per team.

Team A trades up, and rather then 8 draft picks they end up with three.
One turns out to be an above average, pro bowl caliber player.
One turns out to be a starter, but not pro bowl caliber.
One turns out to be a backup.

Team B does not trade at all, and their compensatory pick nets zero (7 picks).
One turns out to be an above average, pro bowl caliber player.
One turns out to be a starter, but not pro bowl caliber.
One turns out to be a backup.
Two land on the practice squad, but never make the game day roster.
Two are released.

Team C trades down and ends up with ten picks.
One turns out to be an above average, pro bowl caliber player.
One turns out to be a starter, but not pro bowl caliber.
One turns out to be a backup.
Three land on the practice squad, but never make the game day roster.
Four are released.


In terms of number of pro bowl caliber players, the result for each team was the same.
In terms of number of starting players, the result for each team was the same.
In terms of backups, the result for each team was the same.

In spite of those identical results, there is a wide variance in the percentage of 'hits' and 'misses'.

To me the goal is to obtain as many contributors as possible. That is why I would much prefer to look at the raw number of hits, and dismiss the number of misses or percentage of hits or misses.


Hope that makes sense to all.

3/3 does not = 3/7 which also does not = 3/10.

brdmaverick said:

Despite all of the other draft busts perviously noted, this may possibly be the worst pick in the BB era.

I remember when he was picked the analysts had nothing to say about him because he wasn't on anyone's board (for the entire draft). All they could say was something along the lines of 'well, BB has a knack for picking the diamonds in the rough ala Logan Mankins.'

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Everytime I think of Wilson, I think of the horrible mistake to end the game out in SEA, then I remember that he committed the exact same mistake again in the beginning of the next game vs. STL.

As far as being the worst pick of the BB era, it's hard to argue with the Wilhite/Wheatley tandem, at least in my eyes.

What era?

jmt57 said:

Here is a hypothetical that might help explain why 3/3 = 3/7 = 3/10.
Before that, let's keep in mind that 32 teams draft 256 players, or on average eight per team.

Team A trades up, and rather then 8 draft picks they end up with three.
One turns out to be an above average, pro bowl caliber player.
One turns out to be a starter, but not pro bowl caliber.
One turns out to be a backup.

Team B does not trade at all, and their compensatory pick nets zero (7 picks).
One turns out to be an above average, pro bowl caliber player.
One turns out to be a starter, but not pro bowl caliber.
One turns out to be a backup.
Two land on the practice squad, but never make the game day roster.
Two are released.

Team C trades down and ends up with ten picks.
One turns out to be an above average, pro bowl caliber player.
One turns out to be a starter, but not pro bowl caliber.
One turns out to be a backup.
Three land on the practice squad, but never make the game day roster.
Four are released.


In terms of number of pro bowl caliber players, the result for each team was the same.
In terms of number of starting players, the result for each team was the same.
In terms of backups, the result for each team was the same.

In spite of those identical results, there is a wide variance in the percentage of 'hits' and 'misses'.

To me the goal is to obtain as many contributors as possible. That is why I would much prefer to look at the raw number of hits, and dismiss the number of misses or percentage of hits or misses.

Hope that makes sense to all.

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I understand your point but I'm not sure it would work out that way.

In the case of team C, who ended up with more picks by trading down, they don't have a shot at the top players and those are the players that will be the pro bowl caliber players under normal circumstances.

I realized that the draft numbers since 2000 that I put up earlier were outdated so I went back and readjusted for this season. Since I dropped Jerod Mayo and Tavon Wilson they're as accurate for the Pats as I could get. I didn't feel like chasing down the other AFCE teams for their latest moves so the numbers probably aren't exact, but their more accurate than the originals that I posted.

Buffalo
Total players drafted - 132
Still on team - 28/21%
On other teams - 18/14%
Out of football - 86/65%

Miami
Total players drafted - 121
Still on team - 23/19%
On other teams - 21/17%
Out of football - 77/64%

Patriots
Total players drafted - 144
Still on team - 31/22%
On other teams - 17/12%
Out of football - 96/67%

Jests
Total players drafted - 110
Still on team - 17/15%
On other teams - 26/24%
Out of football - 67/61%

Looking at those numbers one thing is pretty clear. The Jests are pretty good at drafting players that stick with the NFL, but more players leave the team.

slash83 said:

What era?

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supafly said:

…As far as being the worst pick of the BB era, it's hard to argue with the Wilhite/Wheatley tandem, at least in my eyes.

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Or maybe Ron Brace…or Germy Cunnyham…or Glas-IR Dowling…or Jake the Fake Bequette (Bill's next pick, in the 3rd round, after TF Wilson)…or Aaron Dropson...

Of his five career interceptions, only one of them was actually meaningful (the one in his first game at TEN). The other four came in the last two minutes of complete blow outs.

Of course, that shouldn't really be a surprise considering that's the only time he got on the field. So on a positive note at leaset he made good on his limited opporuntities.

The Lions signed him.

The Tavon Wilson era has not ended.
It has only ended in New England.
Now the era continues in Detroit. He may be capable of even greater things.

captain stone said:

Or maybe Ron Brace…or Germy Cunnyham…or Glas-IR Dowling…or Jake the Fake Bequette (Bill's next pick, in the 3rd round, after TF Wilson)…or Aaron Dropson...

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Chad Jackson, how soon we forget.

I got eviscerated here for starting a thread where i said he was a horrible pick as I'd watched him for several days at Smithfield. Brady's disdain for the guy who could never even seem to line up correctly was palpable.