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Percy Harvin and the Belichickians, Part I: The PSI Thief
I worry more about the health issues.No on Harvin. Too many health and locker room issues.
Is this true?
Sign me up for a double dip at redemption of Gordon and Blackmon.
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Russell Wilson is anything but a below average passer.
Russell Wilson is anything but a below average passer.
Another veteran linebacker will be on the market, but not until after March 9.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Lions have informed Stephen Tulloch that he’ll be released after the start of the new league year. Once that happens, he’ll become a free agent.
4 teams in 4 years tells you something...
Tells me he's a low risk/high reward type of guy.
Randy was one of those..... I know Harvin isn't near his level, BUT if he's a problem, he'll be gone. Just like that. Worth a shot, IMO
I agree on thatEvery player is worth a low risk singing. Depends on how much cap space is lost once the player is cut.
At any rate if it's between Harvin or Gordon I'll take Gordon.
The part in bold is the biggest red flag, imho, other than Harvin's health.
Furthermore, you fail to mention whether or not Harvin has the mental ability to handle the Patriots offense. It's well documented that WRs are expected to be on the same page as Brady and be able to make the adjustments Brady expects you to make based on what the Defense is showing. If a WR doesn't make the adjustments that are expected of him based on the defense Brady sees then he doesn't get the ball..
The Patriots owned the 23rd pick in the first round of the 2009 draft, and the way receiver Percy Harvin remembers it, that was one of his two landing spots.
"They had a workout [with me] -- it was two days before the draft," Harvin recalled. "I knew it was either going to be Minnesota or [Bill] Belichick with the next pick. They were actually on the phone trying to trade up and flip-flop. Belichick and [Urban] Meyer have been friends for so long. Belichick visited Florida when Meyer was there, frequently, pretty much every year, so we were familiar with each other. So it came close.”
1. New England Patriots: Bill Belichick has "always liked" Harvin, going back to the 2009 cat-and-mouse game with Minnesota that eventually led to former Vikings coach Brad Childress gloating about snatching the Florida playmaker from the Patriots' grasp. Six years later, Belichick's fascination with Harvin is welldocumented. Harvin's skill set is ideally suited to the short passing game that Tom Brady has mastered, as evidenced by the fourth-quarter dissection of the NFL's best defense in Super Bowl XLIX.
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport confirmed Tuesday on NFL Network that the Patriots have been "quietly interested" in Harvin for several days, and there is a "good chance" the playmaking wide receiver will end up in New England. The Patriots have also inquired about C.J. Spiller as Shane Vereen's replacement, Rapoport adds.
??!!?? Harvin is still only 28?! Damn, I've changed my opinion. Sign the beast!
4 teams in 4 years tells you something...
Russell Wilson is anything but a below average passer.
I didn't intend to do any analysis.That's a good point to bring up.
Personally, I believe he has that mental ability. Playing as much as he has in the slot, he has run option routes consistently throughout his career. I'm pretty confident he'd be able to make the transition here. I think when you have experience playing in the slot, where you have to make reads/decisions on routes more frequently than on the outside, it puts you ahead of the curve when coming here. It's not like you're bringing in a Joey Galloway who just wants to run straight down the field and catch balls on fly patterns.
Bill worked him out pre-draft at Florida and was reportedly set to take him in the 09 Draft before Minnesota grabbed him with the pick before us, as Reiss has written about.
What might have been with Percy Harvin?
He also reportedly pursued him last off-season.
New England Patriots lead Percy Harvin landing spots - NFL.com
I'm not going to paint with a broad brush and suggest all Urban Meyer/Florida receivers can't cut it in the NFL just because of our failure with Chad Jackson. Was that really because he couldn't transition to an NFL offense or because his body failed him with hamstring, groin, and knee injuries? Plus, we've seen Harvin contribute at the NFL level and be highly effective, so the whole "Chad Jackson" narrative isn't valid or relevant IMO.
Crazy, right? Feels like he's been around forever. He will turn 28 in May. Still another good 3-5 years left in him, IMO.
I'm not a fan of this type of surface level analysis. Reading off his transaction log does nothing for me. I had the same conversation with another poster about this regarding analyzing Christine Michael through this lens.
You could technically say the same thing about Darrelle Revis going into the off-season last year. Well, he's been on three different teams in three years - Jets, Bucs, Pats. Must be something going on there.
There was a point in time where Anquan Boldin was on three different teams in the span of five years. You're telling me you wouldn't want that guy on this team, especially in his younger days, just because he bounced around a few rosters ?
I don't get the practice of Applying that criterion as a major tenet of the analysis on whether to pass on a guy like Revis or Harvin. It is arbitrary and ineffective in my opinion - too shallow.
I'm not talking about him as a QB as a whole. He's an above average QB in this league. Clutch, tough, smart with the football, just finds a way to make winning plays.
But in terms of dropping back, reading defenses, and delivering the ball from the pocket, yes, he is below average. He does not have the touch on his throws, the anticipation, or the accuracy that good pocket passers have. He's great at scrambling, buying time for coverage to break down, keeping his eyes downfield, and playing "backyard football."
If you put him in the types of offenses that the Patriots, Packers, Saints, Giants, Colts, etc. run, you'd see him be pretty ineffective and inefficient.
That Seattle offense he runs is similar to those other mobile-QB led offenses like the ones Kaepernick and Cam Newton run. Run the ball, use the threat of mobility/running ability of QB to open things up, take some deep shots, have a lot of easy-read pass plays, as in here's option 1, here's option 2, if both are covered use your feet to extend play or tuck and run.
IMO, If you asked Wilson to stand back there and operate like Brady, Brees, Rivers, Manning, Luck, Rodgers, etc., you'd be very disappointed in the results. He is not talented enough or polished enough as a pocket passer.
One thing to make note of though is that two of his four teams have been Rex Ryan locker rooms and a third was a Pete Carroll locker room...I didn't intend to do any analysis.
People know Harvin's history as well as I do.
Harvin was signed by SEA after MN was glad to see him go. After SEA got sick of him after a few games NY took him in and didnt make any friends there and BUF got sick of him. He is a petulent child who can't stay healthy.
That is why he has been on 4 teams in 4 years.
Comparing Boldin and Revis to Harvin is laughable.
Harvin was signed by SEA after MN was glad to see him go. After SEA got sick of him after a few games NY took him in and didnt make any friends there and BUF got sick of him. He is a petulent child who can't stay healthy.
That is why he has been on 4 teams in 4 years.
One thing to make note of though is that two of his four teams have been Rex Ryan locker rooms and a third was a Pete Carroll locker room...
The reason why you take a chance on Marshall and Moss is because they are elite talents that throughout their careers produced at a high level.Not "comparing" him to those guys, I'm comparing the logic used. Plenty of good players in this league change teams multiple times due to a variety of reasons - money, injury, production, attitude, etc. To suggest that because "he's been on four teams in four years" without providing any context regarding those comments is incomplete analysis.
If you want to question the character of the player, that's fine with me. Those stories about Harvin come out for a reason - where there is smoke, there is at least a little fire. Is he a bit of a pill to deal with? Possibly. But most good wide receivers are. Guys like Larry Fitzgerald and AJ Green are rare breeds.
Would things be different here with Harvin? Possibly. We heard similar things about Randy Moss, who famously proclaimed he "plays when he wants to play," yet he worked out pretty well here for the most part.
If you want a player comparison, Brandon Marshall comes to mind. Questions about his character have plagued him for years, as he's been shipped from Denver to Miami to Chicago to the Jets.
You wouldn't want him on our team if given the opportunity to get him?
I would. And I'd take Harvin too. They're both highly competitive, tough playmakers who would make this offense better. I don't think those "character concerns" come into play as much here with this coach and QB.