Hypothetical big F-U to the NFL and Goodell: Brady taking vet minimum

RobertWeathers · Feb 18, 2016

QuantumMechanic said:
Publicly held != publicly traded. Also, Packers shares are essentially worthless (by design).

Correct which is why I said publicly held- not traded.

GB stock is worthless but can still be considered as compensation as it has "value"

Gronk · Feb 18, 2016

robertweathers said:
Correct which is why I said publicly held- not traded.

GB stock is worthless but can still be considered as compensation as it has "value"

I would think, technically, that you're right in that if they said Aaron Rodgers renegotiated and now has a salary of $1m, but then it came out that he was given a share (street cost $250) or whatever then I think they'd have to hit him for the cap for that $250. But since it's not like they'd announce that then someone in the league office would have to track down the trail showing when it was received, etc. But historically the league has only fined or taken draft picks from teams for cap violations rather than vacating championships and wins NCAA-style. I would suspect that would change if such a violation involved the Patriots rather than the Broncos or 49ers.

Fencer · Feb 18, 2016

KontradictioN said:
The post I was responding to was about whether or not Brady "needs the money".

Well, he doesn't.

You are correct that he probably wants it, and deserves it if he does want it. However, nobody was questioning either of those points, so your rants in support of them were useless.

IcyPatriot · Feb 18, 2016

One of the largest obstacles to the Super Bowl is player health. Brady and any other star player would be stupid to sacrifice significant money in pursuit of the Super Bowl ... it's just plain dumb. Key players get injured and you played cheap for nothing. A salary reduction is the way to go ... especially if several vets agree to do it ... but this is a business and these players need to take care of the money first.

Kontradiction · Feb 18, 2016

Fencer said:
Well, he doesn't.

You are correct that he probably wants it, and deserves it if he does want it. However, nobody was questioning either of those points, so your rants in support of them were useless.

Ah, so now we're at the crux of the problem. Much like my response to the last poster, who are you to say what he does or doesn't need? I gave numerous examples of things that could happen or things that he may want in life that would dictate that money and earning more would very much be a "need" for Brady.

Further, those posts were "rants" and I certainly don't believe that you think they were "useless". People typically don't give the time of day to things they consider "useless".

Snake Eyes · Feb 18, 2016

I wonder if Godell would actually try to go after TFB for taking only the vet minimum, claiming it's an "unfair advantage".

RobertWeathers · Feb 18, 2016

Gronk said:
I would think, technically, that you're right in that if they said Aaron Rodgers renegotiated and now has a salary of $1m, but then it came out that he was given a share (street cost $250) or whatever then I think they'd have to hit him for the cap for that $250. But since it's not like they'd announce that then someone in the league office would have to track down the trail showing when it was received, etc. But historically the league has only fined or taken draft picks from teams for cap violations rather than vacating championships and wins NCAA-style. I would suspect that would change if such a violation involved the Patriots rather than the Broncos or 49ers.

Right. This whole thread is based on hypotheticals but in the past teams have gotten creative. For example, in 1993 the 49ers donated $1m to a charity in Jerry Rices name. Why? Tax break for Mr Stick Um.

Snake Eyes · Feb 18, 2016

IcyPatriot said:
One of the largest obstacles to the Super Bowl is player health. Brady and any other star player would be stupid to sacrifice significant money in pursuit of the Super Bowl ... it's just plain dumb. Key players get injured and you played cheap for nothing. A salary reduction is the way to go ... especially if several vets agree to do it ... but this is a business and these players need to take care of the money first.

The money from TFBs salary would better insure proper depth to overcome injury difficulties.

Also, TFB is RICH, he doesn't need the salary, he may prefer another ring to the money.

rochrist · Feb 18, 2016

TBR said:
I'll preface this by saying this is something Brady could do for the team, not something he necessarily should. He's already been incredibly selfless and generous throughout his career in regards to his salary and shouldn't be expected by anyone to take even less than he already has. No matter how many hundreds of millions he and his wife have combined, it's still a lot of money to leave on the table.

Think about it. If Brady was somehow willing to take yet another paycut, this time for the vet minimum... According to Miguel, that would create an additional $8.15 million in cap space: twitter.com/patscap/status/700149285698994176

That additional $8m, while not a perfect remedy for the lost draft picks, would help minimize it tremendously.

The Pats could sign a big difference maker(s) with that extra leeway (and likely contribute immediately)

It would be a huge F-U to Goodell, the owners and a lot of the league who currently LOVE the fact the Pats lost a 1st rounder and still hope to see Brady suspended for 4 games.

But mostly it would be a gigantic F-U to the NFLPA, which is why there's zero chance of it happening.

rochrist · Feb 18, 2016

patsbrasilpatriotas said:
Even if he was going to set the market, He is willing to take less money so what? How can the NFL say that Brady or any player is worth X. So all players taking ´´hometown`` discounts are cheating. The same league that doesnt give us back the cap for a DEAD player.

After all that's happened, you can seriously preface something with 'How can the NFL say....'??

JarOfMayo51 · Feb 18, 2016

TBR said:
I'll preface this by saying this is something Brady could do for the team, not something he necessarily should. He's already been incredibly selfless and generous throughout his career in regards to his salary and shouldn't be expected by anyone to take even less than he already has. No matter how many hundreds of millions he and his wife have combined, it's still a lot of money to leave on the table.

Think about it. If Brady was somehow willing to take yet another paycut, this time for the vet minimum... According to Miguel, that would create an additional $8.15 million in cap space: twitter.com/patscap/status/700149285698994176

That additional $8m, while not a perfect remedy for the lost draft picks, would help minimize it tremendously.

The Pats could sign a big difference maker(s) with that extra leeway (and likely contribute immediately)

It would be a huge F-U to Goodell, the owners and a lot of the league who currently LOVE the fact the Pats lost a 1st rounder and still hope to see Brady suspended for 4 games.

Fun to think about, but if I were Brady I would only ever agree to something like that if there was a very clear promise to spend that money on the offensive side of the ball, most notably the Oline.

JarOfMayo51 · Feb 18, 2016

VectorPrime said:
This would be a slap in the face to the Players Association that is going balls to the wall to defend his name in court.

Brady isn't in the top 5 paid QBs so his salary doesn't affect the Franchise Tag value of players or anything like that... it wouldn't hurt the players association at all really, a team deciding to pay a 39 year old QB the veteran minimum as he closes in on retirement?

Rookies all are on a set pay scale and veteran QBs are unaffected because Brady's salary isnt included in any tag calculations. I mean, I don't think Brady would ever agree to this in a million years, but its fun to think about and there is nothing stopping them from doing it if Brady is ok with getting bent over for his services

JarOfMayo51 · Feb 18, 2016

betterthanthealternative said:
Yes, except the NFLPA doesn't think this way. They are very concerned with the big money vets, and keeping those salary averages high, and much less concerned with the guys who are at the bottom of the roster and/or only in the League for a year or two. They simply won't allow the star players to do something like what is proposed in this thread.

Won't allow? They may not like it, but its not up to them to allow or disallow a player and his agent to negotiate for a deal. Again, I don't even think Brady's salary factors into franchise or transition tags as it stands right now, so him getting railroaded for vet minimum would hurt no one but himself.. im sure his agent would be thrilled at the idea of this too lol!

Fencer · Feb 18, 2016

KontradictioN said:
I certainly don't believe that you think they were "useless".

When it comes to telepathy, you are a blithering incompetent.

varjao · Feb 18, 2016

This thread makes no sense, it would be offensive to make Brady an offer like that. He's already on a bargain.

JMC00 · Feb 18, 2016

borg said:
Solder (injury prone)

The f***???

Nate Solder Career:

2011: GP: 16 GS:13 (Rookie Year)
2012: GP: 16 GS: 16
2013: GP: 15 GS:15
2014: GP: 16 GS: 16

This year was his first with an injury that made him miss more than 1 game. Laughable if you think this is being injury prone.

JMC00 · Feb 18, 2016

varjao said:
This thread makes no sense, it would be offensive to make Brady an offer like that. He's already on a bargain.

Who said the Pats would be the one's making the offer?

JMC00 · Feb 18, 2016

betterthanthealternative said:
Yes, except the NFLPA doesn't think this way. They are very concerned with the big money vets, and keeping those salary averages high, and much less concerned with the guys who are at the bottom of the roster and/or only in the League for a year or two. They simply won't allow the star players to do something like what is proposed in this thread.

Miguel weighed in on it

Tom Brady is on the verge of getting the NFLPA one of its biggest wins against the NFL.. Don't think they would raise any stink about Brady doing this.

neali · Feb 19, 2016

OhExaulted1 said:
So he would get paid like the the 39th pick in this years draft (985k salary + 80k SB = 1,065m pick #39 1,069,410) but only count against the cap like the 64th pick (685k vs 664,533).

Draft - Over the Cap
NFL Minimum Salaries for 2016 and the Veteran Cap Benefit Rule | The Daily Spot

If he had as many endorsement deals as PEDton this might be feasable. Otherwise........

I could see him doing an extension.....For creativity sake he could work out an extension with an outrageous # of years so he would still get paid like he deserves but it would be a smallish cap hit for years to come. Donovan Mcnabb has the record for the longest NFL contract at 12 years. If he was going to FU the league this would be the perfect way to do it. I don't belive there is a year limit on contracts (I may be wrong but I'm not reading a bazillion page CBA to verify, maybe someone can help me out here)

The theory of Vet min seems a bit outrageous, but I think if they were creative it could actually work. I think I remember Steve Young signing a 20 year deal with the USFL way back when. Take his next 2 years salary and convert it into a SB over the next 20 years or something crazy like that. With the cap pushing $10 mil a year increase the impact would be smaller and smaller as time goes along.

Thoughts?

I like it! 14 years guaranteed at 3 or 4 million a year and a $1 signing bonus. Or 14 years at 10% of the commissioner's salary.

TBR · Feb 19, 2016

varjao said:
This thread makes no sense, it would be offensive to make Brady an offer like that. He's already on a bargain.

It's hypothetical. It doesn't imply Brady should do it, nor the Pats asking him.

If this were to somehow happen, I'd bet it would be Brady who instigates the talks.

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