Women's Group: Nationwide and Papa John's should suspend relationships with Peyton

Deus Irae said:

Nonsense

The woman's received 3 settlements in the case, because Manning was stupid enough to make disparaging comments about the woman in his book. It's been dealt with.

Every women's advocacy group should shut the hell up about it.

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Disagree.

Manning's alleged actions are now part of a Title IX suit that is being brought against the University. As such, they are legitimate subject for discussion by concerned parties, even if they are parties with a clear political agenda, with which either one of us might or might not agree.

Manning brought this on himself, as you note. The fact that he has settled this in private with the woman he named, while relevant to her concerns and relevant to his individual relationship with her, does not exempt his actions from being part of an allegation of a pattern related to the creation of a hostile environment at the University over time, in this case dating back 13 years, as is alleged in the Title IX proceeding. That is a separate matter.

The fact that a group with a political agenda would use the involvement of a high profile individual to get attention to that agenda is, for better or worse, not at all surprising and, is, for better or worse, part of how public dialogues are shaped and pursued in this country.

Deus Irae said:

Nonsense

The woman's received 3 settlements in the case, because Manning was stupid enough to make disparaging comments about the woman in his book. It's been dealt with.

Every women's advocacy group should shut the hell up about it.

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The important thing is the sweeping Title IX law suit that cited the Manning incident as part of a pattern of discrimination at Tennessee. That's going to keep going for a long time for those who follow big-time college sports scandals.

(The UNC paper class debacle continues well past all the culprits being let go from the university. That was also a matter of a powerful few going after a whistle blower employee viciously until the scandal gained national momentum.)

The UT suit is really not about Manning, but he is a central figure in gaining attention for the persistent gender and sexual discrimination involving UT athletes while staff looked the other way. And, as you point out, Manning settling three times with Whited is an admission of guilt and verifies the pattern of discrimination that has gone on for 20 years at UT.

The NY Daily News picked up the ball and their coverage is really about what the Manning family did to discredit this woman and intentionally diminish her career as an athletic trainer over a number of years at two higher ed institutions. Now the genie is back out of the bottle. The Ultraviolet demand is but the first drip of a flood of bad news for the Mannings. See: Vick, Michael circa 2007. Women's groups have every right to speak out, just as animal welfare groups did with Vick.

Vick had to go to prison to find some measure of redemption. Manning has some big choices ahead if he wants to get out in front of this.

The sexual assault turned into unbelievable harrassment by a powerful family. The Mannings were not smart about this at all. The fact that the Mannings documented the steps that were taken and Peyton's behavior after the initial incident, boggles my mind. Why perpetuate a story that died with the Christine Brennan story, and only lingered on boards like this one?

From a football perspective, I'm glad. As this board has pointed out, the NFL sainted Peyton Manning and his father Archie Manning while going after Tom Brady and permanently staining his reputation. the more this stuff blows up in Goodell's face and the owners who back them, the better.

Those dam ladies!

Hmm.

Papa John was John Phillip's (founding member of The Mamas and the Papa's), who sexually assaulted his daughter McKenzie Phillips.

robertweathers said:

Yea but she didn't like our local place b/c the sauce was too spicy. I loved it though...

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yeah except if its too spicy. i like spicy but not on pizzas

Hammer of Thor said:

Eh..... On a cold, harsh winter day, there's no better comfort food for me than a nice, thick slice of Chicago deep dish pizza. Everything about it is thick - crust, sauce, cheese, toppings. Just very hearty, tasty stuff.

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Chicago style is awesome too, it's loaded. I just like that thin stuff.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Disagree.

Manning's alleged actions are now part of a Title IX suit that is being brought against the University. As such, they are legitimate subject for discussion by concerned parties, even if they are parties with a clear political agenda, with which either one of us might or might not agree.

Manning brought this on himself, as you note. The fact that he has settled this in private with the woman he named, while relevant to her concerns and relevant to his individual relationship with her, does not exempt his actions from being part of an allegation of a pattern related to the creation of a hostile environment at the University over time, in this case dating back 13 years, as is alleged in the Title IX proceeding. That is a separate matter.

The fact that a group with a political agenda would use the involvement of a high profile individual to get attention to that agenda is, for better or worse, not at all surprising and, is, for better or worse, part of how public dialogues are shaped and pursued in this country.

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Nothing you said disagrees with what I've said. The closest is your last line, which is as close to defending the idiots of Ultraviolet as you come.

Reality: This happened just about 20 years ago.
Reality: Manning's paid out 3 times over the incident, and there's no jail option after all these years.
Reality: The incident has been public knowledge for a long, long time.
Reality: I've bashed Manning over the incident for a long time, as has this board. In fact, here's a mention of it ("teabag Manning", and not from me, so it can't be said that I'm only referring to myself on this) back in 2007:

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The time is long past for recriminations over this.

According to Malcolm Saxon, Peyton dropped his pants while she was checking out his foot. He wrote the letter to Peyton after Peyton lied about the incident in his book (Saxon claimed he was not being mooned) and Peyton went after this woman in his book from what I've heard. At minimum, Peyton should apologize to this woman publicly, to make it right since he lied about it in his book. This is according to the Malcolm Saxon letter. And he was the only witness to the incident.

If Peyton publicly apologizes for those two things, this whole situation goes away in the minds of most people. It probably won't happen.

GaryfromTO said:

Hmm.

Papa John was John Phillip's (founding member of The Mamas and the Papa's), who sexually assaulted his daughter McKenzie Phillips.

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John Phillips https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Phillips_(musician) and Papa John's Pizza Papa John's Pizza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia are to different Papa Johns.

People should have been outraged 20 years ago and weren't.
People should have been outraged 15 years ago and weren't.
People should have been outraged 10 years ago and weren't.
People should have been outraged 5 years ago and weren't.

So if they are FINALLY outraged now, it is not a bad thing. It's just about freakin' time that they woke up.

I don't quite understand the logic that, because it was successfully swept under the rug for so very long, to suddenly stop sweeping it under the rug is somehow an awful thing to do. Somewhat hypocritical? Sure. Lazy? Sure. But better late than never, I say.

Sure, you can ask the people who are calling for boycotts why they were not outraged before. It truly was never a secret. I know tons of Florida Gator fans, living where I do in Florida. They remember when Manning's teabagging was a breaking story. It was huge news all across SEC country, and UT rivals in following years ragged Manning about it mercilessly with chants and signs in the crowd. The say that it was even brought up, prominently, when he was in the Heisman trophy discussion.

Shame on much of the major news media for glossing it over, until now.

Ross12 said:

Chicago style is awesome too, it's loaded. I just like that thin stuff.

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Boogs said:

According to Malcolm Saxon, Peyton dropped his pants while she was checking out his foot.

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I just love that these two very different conversations are going on at the same time in this thread...

Boogs said:

According to Malcolm Saxon, Peyton dropped his pants while she was checking out his foot. He wrote the letter to Peyton after Peyton lied about the incident in his book (Saxon claimed he was not being mooned) and Peyton went after this woman in his book from what I've heard. At minimum, Peyton should apologize to this woman publicly, to make it right since he lied about it in his book. This is according to the Malcolm Saxon letter. And he was the only witness to the incident.

If Peyton publicly apologizes for those two things, this whole situation goes away in the minds of most people. It probably won't happen.

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There's an NDA.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

I don't quite understand the logic that, because it was successfully swept under the rug for so very long, to suddenly stop sweeping it under the rug is somehow an awful thing to do. Somewhat hypocritical? Sure. Lazy? Sure. But better late than never, I say.

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Claiming it was swept under the rug, in the context of what's currently going on, is simply a lie.

Deus Irae said:

There's an NDA.

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What's NDA?

Deus Irae said:

Nothing you said disagrees with what I've said. The closest is your last line, which is as close to defending the idiots of Ultraviolet as you come.

Reality: This happened just about 20 years ago.
Reality: Manning's paid out 3 times over the incident, and there's no jail option after all these years.
Reality: The incident has been public knowledge for a long, long time.
Reality: I've bashed Manning over the incident for a long time, as has this board. In fact, here's a mention of it ("teabag Manning", and not from me, so it can't be said that I'm only referring to myself on this) back in 2007:

So...do the Colts and Pats even play this year? | Page 3 | New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard

The time is long past for recriminations over this.

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I see your argument. You're saying that there is some form of "double" (or quadruple!) jeopardy that should apply in this case when it comes to Manning himself. OK. I see that.

But, I would still argue that it is fair that he be associated with the Title IX case since the argument of the case is that there is a long time pattern of creating a hostile environment at the University (which has yet to be proven in a Court of Law).

Now, the situation has arisen that the people at UltraViolet are making a highly visible public figure the poster child of litigation that fits their own political agenda.

That is neither fair nor unfair, but in the context of public dialogue in the US. "is what it is." It's up to us , as consumers, to decide whether to buy Buicks, eat Papa John's Pizza or insure ourselves with Nationwide in response to UltraViolet's position.

Boogs said:

What's NDA?

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Non disclosure agreement. Neither party can discuss the case, at all.

PatsFanSince74 said:

I see your argument. You're saying that there is some form of "double" (or quadruple!) jeopardy that should apply in this case when it comes to Manning himself. OK. I see that.

But, I would still argue that it is fair that he be associated with the Title IX case since the argument of the case is that there is a long time pattern of creating a hostile environment at the University (which has yet to be proven in a Court of Law).

Now, the situation has arisen that the people at UltraViolet are making a highly visible public figure the poster child of litigation that fits their own political agenda.

That is neither fair nor unfair, but in the context of public dialogue in the US. "is what it is." It's up to us , as consumers, to decide whether to buy Buicks, eat Papa John's Pizza or insure ourselves with Nationwide in response to UltraViolet's position.

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I'm saying that if you want to think that Manning's an *******, that's fine. I'm saying that if you want to call for Manning to lose his Nationwide and Papa John's gigs over this, you're insane and need to be locked up for everyone's safety.

And doing it because you're a whack job who can't separate life from politics doesn't excuse the actions. It just shows how batshit crazy you are.

Deus Irae said:

Claiming it was swept under the rug, in the context of what's currently going on, is simply a lie.

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It was widely ignored by the mainstream media until the last week. When you look for stories about the lawsuits and settlements you see articles by the USA Today and by some local podunk papers and independent columnists, but you see almost nothing at all from major sports news or world news media, ESPN, Fox, CNN, Sport Illustrated, NY Times, etc.

It was an widely-ignored news story. Someone has to decide to ignore it. I refer to that as sweeping it under a rug. It's no longer being swept under a rug, and that's great!

Deus Irae said:

Non disclosure agreement. Neither party can discuss the case, at all.

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Well then Peyton screwed himself. You've got a reliable witness telling Peyton in a letter that he lied and needs to come clean and apologize. But Peyton screwed himself and cannot publicly apologize now.

I hate Satan Manning but Papa Johns is my favorite pizza so I'm torn every time I eat it: