****** Unofficial "Sure, why the hell not?" fix to the offense ******

Cut LaFell
Cut Cannon
Cut Amendola
Cut S.Chandler
Extend Brady (lowering '16 and '17 hit)
Retain Waddle (RFA) to be the #3 T
Sign Matt Forte
Sign Anquan Boldin
Trade Chandler Jones to Detroit for the #46 pick
Trade Jimmy G to Houston for the the #52 pick
Trade #46 and #92 to San Fran for #37
Draft Braxton Miller, WR with #37
Draft Best Available OT with #52 ('17 Vollmer replacement)
Draft Connor Cook, QB with #60
(3rd round comp pick spent on a LB)
Draft Jerell Adams, TE with 4th round pick
(Post draft) Trade for Josh Gordon ('17 3rd round pick that could become a 2nd and 4th)



WR- J.Edelman, J.Gordon, A.Boldin, K.Martin, B.Miller
RB- M.Forte, D.Lewis, J.White, B.Bolden
TE-. R.Gronk, A.Derby, M. Williams, J.Adams

I want alot more in return if we trade Jones and Grap and I agree with the previous poster who said that Grap cannot be traded when they could still suspend Brady we need Grap cause he gives us the best chance to win if Brady isnt there.

JMC00 said:

Cut LaFell
Cut Cannon
Cut Amendola
Cut S.Chandler
Extend Brady (lowering '16 and '17 hit)
Retain Waddle (RFA) to be the #3 T
Sign Matt Forte
Sign Anquan Boldin
Trade Chandler Jones to Detroit for the #46 pick
Trade Jimmy G to Houston for the the #52 pick
Trade #46 and #92 to San Fran for #37
Draft Braxton Miller, WR with #37
Draft Best Available OT with #52 ('17 Vollmer replacement)
Draft Connor Cook, QB with #60
(3rd round comp pick spent on a LB)
Draft Jerell Adams, TE with 4th round pick
(Post draft) Trade for Josh Gordon ('17 3rd round pick that could become a 2nd and 4th)



WR- J.Edelman, J.Gordon, A.Boldin, K.Martin, B.Miller
RB- M.Forte, D.Lewis, J.White, B.Bolden
TE-. R.Gronk, A.Derby, M. Williams, J.Adams

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I like this overall, but I have a hard time thinking that Chandler Jones & Jimmy G are that similar in trade value. Do we worry about Roger coming down harder on Gordon if he's suddenly a Patriot? If this lineup were to come together, it would be unbelievable.

old 55 said:

I like this overall, but I have a hard time thinking that Chandler Jones & Jimmy G are that similar in trade value. Do we worry about Roger coming down harder on Gordon if he's suddenly a Patriot? If this lineup were to come together, it would be unbelievable.

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Well in this hypothetical fantasy land Billy O is on that hot seat knowing he needs to get better QB play but rather than spending money on QB in the weak QB FA class or having rookie growing pains he makes the move for the guy they were originally going to pick at #65 after already signing a new #1 RB in Doug Martin or Lamar Miller and a #2 WR in Rueben Randle or Rishard Matthews

Jones on the other hand he's a $7.7m cap hit and a free agent after the year, he isn't going to fetch a top 15 pick and looking at the bottom half of the draft I really don't think any of the teams are inclined to give up a 1st round pick for a guy who is going to be a free agent over a guy they will control for up to 5 years. Belichick knowing he can only get a 3rd round pick for Jones if he walks. Bob Quinn needing someone to pair with Ansah, not really liking the 4-3 DEs on the market and now having to go out and spend on a WR with Johnson retiring offers up their '16 2nd rounder and BB takes it.

Gordon would be reinstated and ****dell wouldn't be able to take that back. Gordon wherever he is, if he screws up again with the substance policy he's done for another year or long, so there is no anti-Pats bias if Gordon screws up again.

sign Matt Fortt. cut Connon and upgrade backup OL and if Lewis can get back to were he was Brady has 3 good pass catching RB's a 100 catch slot WR and a super star TE and if they can get lucky and Draft a outside WR that can catch the ball they will brake records on offense

No. No drafting WRs. What in god's name would make you think that, in a year where we have fewer picks, that we should spend one on a position that we've proven unable to hit on?

JMC00 said:

Cut LaFell
Cut Cannon
Cut Amendola
Cut S.Chandler
Extend Brady (lowering '16 and '17 hit)
Retain Waddle (RFA) to be the #3 T
Sign Matt Forte
Sign Anquan Boldin
Trade Chandler Jones to Detroit for the #46 pick
Trade Jimmy G to Houston for the the #52 pick
Trade #46 and #92 to San Fran for #37
Draft Braxton Miller, WR with #37
Draft Best Available OT with #52 ('17 Vollmer replacement)
Draft Connor Cook, QB with #60
(3rd round comp pick spent on a LB)
Draft Jerell Adams, TE with 4th round pick
(Post draft) Trade for Josh Gordon ('17 3rd round pick that could become a 2nd and 4th)



WR- J.Edelman, J.Gordon, A.Boldin, K.Martin, B.Miller
RB- M.Forte, D.Lewis, J.White, B.Bolden
TE-. R.Gronk, A.Derby, M. Williams, J.Adams

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I like a lot of these ideas, even if some may be a bit fantastical (as you've mentioned yourself).

One area where I'd respectfully disagree would be the move of JG, as I don't see the potential pick being any better than having a vet QB who's been learning our system for the past 2 years, and more importantly--one who would step in for Brady, should he be suspended. As much as I like Connor Cook, we just couldn't replicate JG's knowledge of the system in that short of a time period.

I'd be all over both Forte and Boldin as cost effective free agent acquisitions who can step in immediately and contribute at high levels.

I'm still not sure what to think of Waddle, and am a bit unsure as to why so many seem to think that he's worth keeping, so that's a situation that I'm interested in keeping a closer eye on.

VectorPrime said:

No. No drafting WRs. What in god's name would make you think that, in a year where we have fewer picks, that we should spend one on a position that we've proven unable to hit on?

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Because it's my hypothetical, don't like it? Do your own.

Also you people saying the Pats have never drafted a WR that has worked out. Did you forgot Deion Branch, David Givens and Julian Edelman or are you just ignoring those guys because it doesn't fit your narrative?

Braxton Miller is gonna be very good.. And one Sunday when he is having an insane game people on are gonna be all "How come we don't daft guys like Miller". Like the Keenan Allen posts we get every time when he is having a good game.

supafly said:

One area where I'd respectfully disagree would be the move of JG, as I don't see the potential pick being any better than having a vet QB who's been learning our system for the past 2 years, and more importantly--one who would step in for Brady, should he be suspended. As much as I like Connor Cook, we just couldn't replicate JG's knowledge of the system in that short of a time period.

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Well obviously my fantasyland hypothetical is based on the NFL losing in court.

supafly said:

I'm still not sure what to think of Waddle, and am a bit unsure as to why so many seem to think that he's worth keeping, so that's a situation that I'm interested in keeping a closer eye on.

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If it's Waddle on a first refusal/original tender RFA deal (think that is $1.5m) or Cannon for $4.7m cap hit($3.7m saved if cut).. I'm going with Waddle for the veteran depth at OT while Scar (if he is back) brings along the rookie OT.

JMC00 said:

Cut LaFell
Cut Cannon
Cut Amendola
Cut S.Chandler
Extend Brady (lowering '16 and '17 hit)
Retain Waddle (RFA) to be the #3 T
Sign Matt Forte
Sign Anquan Boldin
Trade Chandler Jones to Detroit for the #46 pick
Trade Jimmy G to Houston for the the #52 pick
Trade #46 and #92 to San Fran for #37
Draft Braxton Miller, WR with #37
Draft Best Available OT with #52 ('17 Vollmer replacement)
Draft Connor Cook, QB with #60
(3rd round comp pick spent on a LB)
Draft Jerell Adams, TE with 4th round pick
(Post draft) Trade for Josh Gordon ('17 3rd round pick that could become a 2nd and 4th)



WR- J.Edelman, J.Gordon, A.Boldin, K.Martin, B.Miller
RB- M.Forte, D.Lewis, J.White, B.Bolden
TE-. R.Gronk, A.Derby, M. Williams, J.Adams

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Is Boldin playing DE?

Boldin would have been awesome 3 years ago.

RayClay said:

Is Boldin playing DE?

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Jabaal Sheard, Rob Ninkovich, Trey Flowers, Rufus Johnson and Geneo Grissom.

JMC00 said:

Jabaal Sheard, Rob Ninkovich, Trey Flowers, Rufus Johnson and Geneo Grissom.

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One proven starter and he's 32 and a lot of tread off those tires in recent years.. Sheard looked good with chandler and Ninko. No one else you mentioned has proved a thing.

JMC00 said:

Jabaal Sheard, Rob Ninkovich, Trey Flowers, Rufus Johnson and Geneo Grissom.

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Here's the issue I have with these trade-Jones ideas: they rely on too many question marks to work out well. If we trade Jones I would not be comfortable going into the season with the group you listed, we'd need to trade for or sign another veteran DE.

As RayClay's said, Ninkovich is 32, he's already slowed down and at this age you always have to consider the possibility of a sudden drop-off. Just look what happened to Jared Allen at this age after he left the Vikings. Meanwhile Trey Flowers was basically redshirted this year, he's play a total of four snaps. Rufus Johnson and Geneo Grissom likewise have not shown it yet that they can play at a good level on a high number of snaps.

In the best case, yeah, Ninkovich holds off father time for another year, the youngsters develop rapidly and you have a good DE rotation. But in a bad case Ninkovich fades while Flowers and the others can't put it together quickly. And suddenly you have only one starting-quality DE on the roster.

RayClay said:

One proven starter and he's 32 and a lot of tread off those tires in recent years.. Sheard looked good with chandler and Ninko. No one else you mentioned has proved a thing.

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While no one else has proven a thing, there's a reason why Belichick selected two future DEs within the top 100 picks, and there's nothing from preventing us from taking another one this spring. As we know, the position can also be addressed via free agency for a player at say, half the price. Having Sheard and Ninkovich as starters isn't necessarily a horrible starting point, and some see a concern with dedicating 20m dollars to the DE position this year.

I'm not 100 percent sold on what I would personally do with the Chandler Jones situation, and while I'd lean towards keeping him, I can appreciate why people will see the other side of the coin. Moving him, if already seen as inevitable or lower on the chain of priorities, would get us a better draft pick in a year where we could use it, as well as save us 8m dollars in cap space.

PF_SU said:

Here's the issue I have with these trade-Jones ideas: they rely on too many question marks to work out well. If we trade Jones I would not be comfortable going into the season with the group you listed, we'd need to trade for or sign another veteran DE.

As RayClay's said, Ninkovich is 32, he's already slowed down and at this age you always have to consider the possibility of a sudden drop-off. Just look what happened to Jared Allen at this age after he left the Vikings. Meanwhile Trey Flowers was basically redshirted this year, he's play a total of four snaps. Rufus Johnson and Geneo Grissom likewise have not shown it yet that they can play at a good level on a high number of snaps.

In the best case, yeah, Ninkovich holds off father time for another year, the youngsters develop rapidly and you have a good DE rotation. But in a bad case Ninkovich fades while Flowers and the others can't put it together quickly. And suddenly you have only one starting-quality DE on the roster.

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And yet here we sit 4 years into Jones career going into his contract year still waiting for him to become a consistent dominant pass rusher. 4th straight year he had a very quiet post-season...

I'd take my chances with Sheard-Ninkovich-Flowers-Grissom with the DTs being Brown-Branch-Easley-Hicks if it meant getting a good OT in the draft.

VectorPrime said:

Boldin would have been awesome 3 years ago.

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While true, he's still averaged 79 catches a season in those last three years.

Boldin could potentially improve upon our middle route area, where we need a big, smart, proven veteran WR to go over the middle and act as a physical target. The fact that he's been a proven locker room and community leader only helps the cause, especially if it's on reasonable money (which it would be).

For me, there's no reason to think that Boldin can't get us back to where LaFell was in 2014 or Llyod was in 2012, if not improve upon it altogether. It's not like we're looking to make a decision for the future with him. He's fully capable of producing for another year or two, particularly with a good QB.

supafly said:

While no one else has proven a thing, there's a reason why Belichick selected two future DEs within the top 100 picks, and there's nothing from preventing us from taking another one this spring. As we know, the position can also be addressed via free agency for a player at say, half the price. Having Sheard and Ninkovich as starters isn't necessarily a horrible starting point, and some see a concern with dedicating 20m dollars to the DE position this year.

I'm not 100 percent sold on what I would personally do with the Chandler Jones situation, and while I'd lean towards keeping him, I can appreciate why people will see the other side of the coin. Moving him, if already seen as inevitable or lower on the chain of priorities, would get us a better draft pick in a year where we could use it, as well as save us 8m dollars in cap space.

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If every 3rd and 4th pick was a guaranteed successful pass rusher, teams wouldn't spend high 1sts on them. We might need to make some tough decisions, but cutting or trading a successful player at a position that is very hard to fill should be a last resort, not a first.

Outside of Andre carter, we haven't had a great pass rusher in years. Ninko's a fine over all player and he gets sacks, but teams don't double and triple team him either.

RayClay said:

If every 3rd and 4th pick was a guaranteed successful pass rusher, teams wouldn't spend high 1sts on them. We might need to make some tough decisions, but cutting or trading a successful player at a position that is very hard to fill should be a last resort, not a first.

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That will all depend on how Belichick prioritizes keeping Collins, HT, Butler, and Jones. It will also depend on whether or not he views it as a real possibility that Jones may stay beyond this year, and whether or not he views his 8m dollar cap hit as reasonable, particularly when we'd have to shell out 20m dollars worth of cap hits to Sheard, Jones, and Ninkovich this season.

Any off the field issues such as say....getting high on the most important week of the season, may be taken into account just as well, as will his 2 sacks in a total of 9 postseason games. His constant disappearance in the second half of seasons is another troubling aspect that may be worth a one-year early trade consideration.

RayClay said:

Outside of Andre carter, we haven't had a great pass rusher in years. Ninko's a fine over all player and he gets sacks, but teams don't double and triple team him either.

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We recently saw both Tully Banta-Cain and Mark Anderson reach 10+ sacks in seasons here, yet still moved on from them. The fact that old ass Andre Carter did it as well probably goes against your point. The fact is that other DEs have been able to rush the passer with success on much cheaper pacts.

We haven't had a true dominant DE since Seymour left, but that was also one of the reasons why the scheme was changed to begin with.