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You don't know that Kraft negotiated the TV deals?

Here's an article about the TV deals. Try to find Goodell's name - you won't.

They start out mentioning the CBA mess Goodell blew and begged Kraft to rescue him from.

Maybe I'm stupid, but after all that, I would expect Goodell to owe me big time, not to stab me in the back.



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/sports/football/nfl-cashes-in-on-its-popularity.html

The fact that Goodell stabbed Kraft in the back is terrible. No doubt about it.

I'm speaking solely on the (incorrect) assumption that the owners do not like Goodell, that he will be fired, or that they feel that he is doing a poor job. No matter how you look at it, he definitely contributed to the increased revenue in many forms, and he also did have a hand in the TV negotiations (not speaking of 2011), as he reached agreements with several TV networks, particularly on such issues as increasing Thursday night games to a full season, and spreading the broadcasts over both CBS and NFLN.

As previously mentioned, if the owners feel that some power needs to be taken from him, they'll step up and make sure it happens. There's no reason to believe that an issue like that will "ruin" football and/or lead to his dismissal. That's just wishful thinking from our fanbase. No one outside of N.England gives a damn about any "unfair penalties" stemming from deflategate, and if they didn't wish to see it extended upon appeal, they'd have brought it up and prevented it.
 
The fact that Goodell stabbed Kraft in the back is terrible. No doubt about it.

I'm speaking solely on the (incorrect) assumption that the owners do not like Goodell, that he will be fired, or that they feel that he is doing a poor job. No matter how you look at it, he definitely contributed to the increased revenue in many forms, and he also did have a hand in the TV negotiations (not speaking of 2011), as he reached agreements with several TV networks, particularly on such issues as increasing Thursday night games to a full season, and spreading the broadcasts over both CBS and NFLN.

There's a recent article on the owners [guess it's this thread]. Apparently, a civil war has been going on and Kraft is on the losing side. The owners are a bunch of assh*les, and the biggest assh*les are using the commissioner to prevent the patriots from succeeding as best they can.

NFL Owners in Disarray as Roger Goodell is Losing Control of the League

Goodell has a bachelor's degree. He is not a lawyer, he has no business degree or business experience. He is a gopher intern who kissed ass all the way to his current job, which is basically as a front man for a dysfunctional organization.

He needs Kraft badly, but will have to do with Jerry Jones or somebody who can negotiate a labor deal or TV contracts, which Kraft did for the league in the past.

This is politics and Kraft is shocked to find he not only doesn't have the votes, but his own "party" is stabbing him in the back, much like the tea party has done to republican office holders.

The league is falling apart, make no mistake about it. In the process, maybe some uncommitted owners turn against the "new money" owners and get a sensible commissioner with some substance, like the previous ones, to protect them from themselves.
 
Essentially, it seems [after rereading this great article] that the owners hire a lackey to not control them, then get lucky by getting a leader like Rozelle or tagliabue.

Unfortunately, they got what they wanted this time, a spineless enabler, and their unmitigated greed is causing them to push to the limit of players ability to withstand punishment without time to recover and to push corruption and greedy expansion to the breaking point.

Here, a 50 year vet of football writing explains the difference.

Now, nothing is too much. He wants to play 18 games. He’s been very slow on the concussion issue, which is still a major problem. And then, of course, so many things like Deflategate; and Bountygate, which he turned into an unbelievable thing until finally Paul Tagliabue had to say enough is enough, and lifted the [player] suspensions. Rozelle had a deft touch. They had some Thursday night games under Rozelle, and he decided that was too much, and they shut it down. He kind of decided, you can’t overexpose, and you want people to anticipate things. Now it is back, and now they play every Thursday night.

Talking Football with longtime NFL scribe Vito Stellino | The MMQB with Peter King
 
There's a recent article on the owners [guess it's this thread]. Apparently, a civil war has been going on and Kraft is on the losing side. The owners are a bunch of assh*les, and the biggest assh*les are using the commissioner to prevent the patriots from succeeding as best they can.

NFL Owners in Disarray as Roger Goodell is Losing Control of the League

Goodell has a bachelor's degree. He is not a lawyer, he has no business degree or business experience. He is a gopher intern who kissed ass all the way to his current job, which is basically as a front man for a dysfunctional organization.

He needs Kraft badly, but will have to do with Jerry Jones or somebody who can negotiate a labor deal or TV contracts, which Kraft did for the league in the past.

This is politics and Kraft is shocked to find he not only doesn't have the votes, but his own "party" is stabbing him in the back, much like the tea party has done to republican office holders.

The league is falling apart, make no mistake about it. In the process, maybe some uncommitted owners turn against the "new money" owners and get a sensible commissioner with some substance, like the previous ones, to protect them from themselves.

And yet when I read the article (from Rich Hill and patspulpit.com, with some ESPN snippets, mind you...), I still see a bunch of support from the owners. They don't even bring up his business decisions, which are clearly what's keeping everyone happy. They choose to bring up the political decisions instead, even quoting several owners who felt that he did a wonderful job with those disciplinary issues.

I'm not remotely surprised to find out that an owner or two (Rooney/Spanos) didn't think that the deflategate allegations deserved this harsh of a punishment. After all, there are 32 owners in the league. The fact remains that the high majority of owners continue to support him and that the increased revenue and 24/7/365 worldwide exposure are what makes him attractive.

As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure what this article is attempting to suggest, aside from the obvious fact that some owners wanted a team in Inglewood, while others wanted one in Carson. Is this really controversial?
 
And yet when I read the article (from Rich Hill and patspulpit.com, with some ESPN snippets, mind you...), I still see a bunch of support from the owners. They don't even bring up his business decisions, which are clearly what's keeping everyone happy. They choose to bring up the political decisions instead, even quoting several owners who felt that he did a wonderful job with those disciplinary issues.

I'm not remotely surprised to find out that an owner or two (Rooney/Spanos) didn't think that the deflategate allegations deserved this harsh of a punishment. After all, there are 32 owners in the league. The fact remains that the high majority of owners continue to support him and that the increased revenue and 24/7/365 worldwide exposure are what makes him attractive.

As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure what this article is attempting to suggest, aside from the obvious fact that some owners wanted a team in Inglewood, while others wanted one in Carson. Is this really controversial?

You expect the owners to do anything but praise him in public? I imagine you have a boss of some kind, even if you have your own business. If someone asks you on the record about your boss are you going to pan him?

As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure what this article is attempting to suggest, aside from the obvious fact that some owners wanted a team in Inglewood, while others wanted one in Carson. Is this really controversial?

If that's all you get from the article, I can't help you.
 
Essentially, it seems [after rereading this great article] that the owners hire a lackey to not control them, then get lucky by getting a leader like Rozelle or tagliabue.

Unfortunately, they got what they wanted this time, a spineless enabler, and their unmitigated greed is causing them to push to the limit of players ability to withstand punishment without time to recover and to push corruption and greedy expansion to the breaking point.

Here, a 50 year vet of football writing explains the difference.



Talking Football with longtime NFL scribe Vito Stellino | The MMQB with Peter King

There's no doubting that past commissioners were better in terms of how they kept things out of the public eye and handled problems behind the scenes, but I don't think that's reason to suggest that he doesn't have the support of the owners or that he's going to lose his job--that's all.

Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with Goodell for a little while.
 
You expect the owners to do anything but praise him in public? I imagine you have a boss of some kind, even if you have your own business. If someone asks you on the record about your boss are you going to pan him?

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The owners are the bosses, and even Goodell spoke on that a week ago during his press conference media day. Goodell works for them....not the other way around.

If there was tension that spread more than a couple/few owners deep, we'd be hearing about it, that's for sure. There would be leaks, etc. Even then, they'd need 24/32 owners to get rid of him, and that's probably not too likely to happen.
 
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The owners are the bosses, and even Goodell spoke on that a week ago during his press conference media day.

Goodell works for them....not the other way around.

He is the commissioner of football. I used an example. He is the elected representative of the owners. do you expect them to pan him in public?

I don't really want to pick nits about this, if you don't mind, it's a waste of time. The article's there and I've said my piece.
 
I don't really want to pick nits about this, if you don't mind, it's a waste of time. The article's there and I've said my piece.

Yeah, I agree buddy. No use going around in circles.

I'm not claiming that I think he's a good commissioner, because he's not. I'm simply pointing out why the owners like him (money talks), and that he has done some things to make him more attractive in their eyes.

As far as hoping that he loses his job--I do. I'm just not holding my breath, because I think it's very unlikely to happen, that's all.
 
the owners have gone on record stating that they believe that he's handled things well (aside from maybe the Ray Rice case).

Including one Robert Kraft. Who even said Goodell handled the Rice case OK! And who said, even after Deflategate, that Goodell is doing a good job.
 
Goodell is given more credit by the owners that anyone cares to admit, particularly in N.England.

We've seen, heard, and read many comments from various high ranking owners who have talked about the laundry list that I included in my post above.

Obviously, some of it would've gotten done without him, but he's proven to be all about the paper and the owners are more than happy with that.

I'd wager that 90% of other qualified people in that job would have made 98% of the positive decisions for the NFL that Goodell has made, and many more that he hasn't. There's very little evidence of complexity or creativity in anything the NFL has done, and they are very late adopters on everything innovative and technical.

If they had the foresight to put someone in the job who has an entrepreneurial background in technology, the NFL would quickly be an entirely different, and very interesting, entity.

With Goodell, the issue isn't what he's done nearly as much as what hasn't been done. It is primarily about opportunity cost, but that gets lost in all of the dust ups about the stupid stuff he does.
 
Yeah, I agree buddy. No use going around in circles.

I'm not claiming that I think he's a good commissioner, because he's not. I'm simply pointing out why the owners like him (money talks), and that he has done some things to make him more attractive in their eyes.

As far as hoping that he loses his job--I do. I'm just not holding my breath, because I think it's very unlikely to happen, that's all.

The owners like the fact that he stands up and lies and supports every stupid, dangerous and short sighted plan that might make them money in the short term, damn the long term consequences.

Some of them rightly think he has failed miserably even being a public punching bag, but none of them are going to spend a lot of time questioning him in public, because it isn't in their interest. That doesn't mean that some don't question him.

There is a faction, illustrated in that article, who are using him to push their agenda against other owners. It's a mess, as the article reveals.

In the article about Rozelle I linked, the 50 year sportwriter guy, it's mentioned that he was a compromise choice because they thought he could be manipulated. Fortunately for them and the sport, he was actually wise and had *"integrity*"

They need someone to protect them from themselves, much like other "expansion now, money now and consequences be damned" businessmen in other fields.

This is not an indictment of businessmen, you need to be aggressive and single minded to become a billionaire. Someone needs to regulate for the common good, Goodell is a buffoon, so the owners are intent on destroying themselves and the sport while he goes and lies and double talks and makes penalties for PR purposes while they run the thing off a cliff of over tired-injured players, concussions and stupid greedy expansions that won't work.

There are owners who question him. They know they are currently out numbered and it's not in their interest to speak up.

By the way, Kraft also thinks the sport is like a paper plant, you just buy more trees and factories and make more boxes. Problem is, football players aren't cardboard boxes.

You can't just go to 18 games, play on Thursdays with limited rest, fly back and forth to London regularly and ignore players using helmets like guided missiles without trying non hard shell helmets, appoint a comedian to supervise refs who now have no confidence to throw players out or call penalties that might be controversial, because they know a comedian is going to be changing their calls or undermining them after the fact.

If making it obvious that the league is corrupt, a farce and totally unconcerned with safety or consistency of punishments would cause an uproar, the league would have had to answer months or years ago. The public knows and they don't care.

Obviously, the league is going to have to police itself and hire a competent manager with some judgment and balls. Otherwise, I really think NFL football as the top spectator sport could be a thing of the past within decades.
 
Because he continues to make the owners record amounts of money.
It's pretty hard to not make them tons of money in his position. Goodell is still doing a crap job. Only thing he does well is take the blame for the whole league (which a lot is his fault, but a lot of blame on the owners too).
 
It's pretty hard to not make them tons of money in his position. Goodell is still doing a crap job. Only thing he does well is take the blame for the whole league (which a lot is his fault, but a lot of blame on the owners too).

I agree. I mentioned how he's destroyed or failed to exploit the pro bowl, an innocuous meaningless event that could be exploited by a smart marketer to promote the sport and the players and the leagues goal of expanding lucrative football contracts around the world.

Instead of the stupid idea of having some poor team flying from London to Ny or the west coast to play half their games [and forcing unsophisticated draft picks to move to a foreign country]. Play the stupid pro bowl in a different foreign country ech year, make it safe, like flag football and skills competitions and make it personality driven. Duh. You've got the most popular sport with the idols heads hidden under helmets. Just getting the players faces on TV would be an event promoting the sport.

Instead, there's a game, it's the week before the Super bowl [duh] players can get hurt, but no one cares who wins, they don't even represent conferences anymore to give it some rivalry. Now some favored players like sticky fingers and somebody else buck up and they throw two teams representing what? [I don't know] out there and most of the players skip it and the fans too.

You don't have to be a genius to have more games on more nights in more countries. Unfortunately, since players are mortal, that means more and more lingering injuries and a day of reckoning.
 
About promoting a different type of pro bowl in other countries...worst ever ratings this year, from the worst ever last year.

Do I think I'm smarter than Goodell? When it comes to ideas for the Pro Bowl yes, yes I do.
 
It also kinda show though that the problem roots much deeper than Roger Goodell.
I read recently (On Here) that a group of owners told goodell to wack the patriots after the bogus air pressure findings or they were going to wack him. That in my opinion is the reason behind the attempt to destroy one of the greatest players in the history of the NFL. Owners like that scum bag jerrah jones don't care because TBrady and the Patriots stand in the way of him and others making more $$$$$$$$$$$$ by winning the Super Bowl.
 
I think some her haven't read this article, or have purposely avoided reading it. I think it's worth a bump.
 
This article is a load of crap with zero legitimate sources that support the conclusion. Wishful thinking and nothing more.
 
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