NFL Owners in disarray as Goodell is losing control of the league

Fencer said:

And he did it on issues where Goodell was in the wrong, especially Ray Rice and uncapped season cap penalty.

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And then Krafts bends over and lets Goodell take another 1st round pick.

Joker said:

Revisionist bullshyt...and YOU know it.

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I have stated facts and opinions. All of my facts are completely accurate. An opinion is not something that can rightly be called "revisionist ********."

If I invented a time machine and brought 100 random NFL players from 1983 (with the appropriate numbers from each position) to the present day for a game, nobody would be saying "wow! Look at how pure and wonderful their blocking and schemes are!" We would see just as much ugliness as we do today, if not more.

XLIX said:

I have stated facts and opinions. All of my facts are completely accurate. An opinion is not something that can rightly be called "revisionist ********."

If I invented a time machine and brought 100 random NFL players from 1983 (with the appropriate numbers from each position) to the present day for a game, nobody would be saying "wow! Look at how pure and wonderful their blocking and schemes are!" We would see just as much ugliness as we do today, if not more.

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And those 100 players would know what a catch is.

XLIX said:

I have stated facts and opinions. All of my facts are completely accurate. An opinion is not something that can rightly be called "revisionist ********."

If I invented a time machine and brought 100 random NFL players from 1983 (with the appropriate numbers from each position) to the present day for a game, nobody would be saying "wow! Look at how pure and wonderful their blocking and schemes are!" We would see just as much ugliness as we do today, if not more.

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has nothing to do with players in the 80's and players today...it has EVERYTHING to do with the preposterous rules changes and LACK of proper preseason and in season practice. Your contention is a superficial straw man.

and BTW, if you are going to display "always right!" disease, I bow out. I'll take MY memories of the NFL and the Patriots and you are welcome to your little goo gee gaa gaa "reality".

One thing that really sucks is MNF. People being exposed to those games these last few years are definitely gonna think the NFL lacks good football.

Calhoun44 said:

One thing that really sucks is MNF. People being exposed to those games these last few years are definitely gonna think the NFL lacks good football.

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Thursday Night Football is worse.

Joker said:

has nothing to do with players in the 80's and players today...it has EVERYTHING to do with the preposterous rules changes and LACK of proper preseason and in season practice. Your contention is a superficial straw man.

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I made it clear I am not talking about rules changes, but I find it hilarious how one guy is telling me the players spend too much time training and now you're telling me they don't. It proves the point I am making: All these "old days were so much better!" people just make up crap as they go.

As for the rules changes.... I support some of them, I oppose some of them, but it was the NFLPA that wanted fewer practices and fewer mandatory sessions.

Joker said:

and BTW, if you are going to display "always right!" disease, I bow out. I'll take MY memories of the NFL and the Patriots and you are welcome to your little goo gee gaa gaa "reality".

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You're absolutely right. It was just so much better being a Patriots fan 30 years ago.

Now please stay true to your word and "bow out."

It's not the product on the field that will kill the NFL but the sideshows, scandals, excess drama and thug culture that will.

Joey007 said:

It also kinda show though that the problem roots much deeper than Roger Goodell.

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In any of my comments on more mainstream forums I always put the onus on the Owners - they're the ones pulling Goodell's strings

As long as Goodell is the fall guy, they're happy

They're not happy when the focus turns to themselves

What really needs to happen is to have every owner be asked publicly whether he thinks Goodell has "unquestioned integrity"

The NFL Owners own rules (Article VIII) says that the Commissioner "shall be a person of unquestioned integrity"

Someone needs to remind the owners that THEY have rules to follow as well... "for the integrity of the game" at the very least.

Any man who's veracity has now been TWICE publicly questioned by US District Court judges cannot have "unquestioned integrity" - and I'd love to hear any owner try to rationalize otherwise.

Tunescribe said:

The NFL never has looked worse, in my humble opinion. I have loved it all my life and spent many thousands on it in the process, so when someone like me is rooting for it to fail, you know things are pretty damn bad.

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Sometimes you do need to tear down the old before building anew

History will likely note the irony that the Commissioner who claimed to be the protector of integrity, ensuring the shield would not tarnish, himself became the embodiment of corruption.

In Sport, fairness is most important. Goodell is blatantly unfair - and when the Commissioner of a League is unfair, the League itself is unfair.

Goodell has used the League as his personal piggy bank - and he's currying whatever favor he can to gain his NEXT contract.

XLIX said:

You're absolutely right. It was just so much better being a Patriots fan 30 years ago.

Now please stay true to your word and "bow out."

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I will after you try to deny YOU are the former SB39 that got absolutely DESTROYED back in the Goodell vs the Saints fiasco. It IS you, isn't it...no wonder.

Welcome to ignore.

supafly said:

So, he didn't negotiate new record television deals?

Increased the bargaining position by having 17 Thursday night games where networks not only fought each other, but ended up having his fingers in ALL the pies by including CBS, NBC, NFLN, and ESPN?

Increase revenue by bringing NFL football to other countries such as the UK, Canada, and Mexico?

A new CBA where the owners clearly won certainly made him favorable in the eyes of his bosses, no?

He didn't get the concussion parties to agree on financial compensation that was at 5-10% what everyone believed they'd have to pay?

Your claim that he did "nothing" to increase revenue for the owners is not correct, as much as I hate him. It goes way beyond fantasy football.

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again, anyone could have done that.

not everyone could have gotten the league AND the union on the same page which is what kraft did.

he wont be able to do that again. soon as this CBA is up, the power of the nfl office is DONE. Goodell went above and beyond the limit of what he was supposed to be capable of, and its going to cause waves of dissent by the players for DECADES moving forward.

roger goodells spygate, bounty gate and now deflategate penalties, and pure ass hatery will be looked at as the infection that slowly killed nfl football./

cmasspatsfan said:

Almost got fired in 2014, why didn't that happen? life would be better now if that would have happened.

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Agreed. He should have been canned for a whole bunch of reasons, and that one was the closest we came to actually seeing it. That was the one that really got public pressure against him.

Unfortunately, there just isn't any real anger at him for the travesty that was deflategate. For every rational Steph Stradley, there's 10 people glad to see the Patriots get screwed over.

chasa said:

again, anyone could have done that.

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While I agree with you that "anyone" could've (potentially) done that, no one else did--and the laundry list of reasons is certainly valid, in terms of why the owners like him. He's been increasing the revenue and overall interest in many different ways, and if we're speaking strictly in a business sense, he's the one who's getting the credit.

chasa said:

roger goodells spygate, bounty gate and now deflategate penalties, and pure ass hatery will be looked at as the infection that slowly killed nfl football./

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None of those owners give a rat's ass about what happens to the N.England Patriots, especially when they're lining their pockets with tons of money. As a matter of fact, I bet if you asked them secretly behind closed doors, they all wish that the Patriots would just go away once and for all so their teams can finally be more competitive. What owners are staying up at night crying tears over the fact that the supposed "repeat cheating offenders" are losing their first round pick? The answer to that question is probably zero.

You think the biggest sport in the country with a worldwide following is going to suddenly crumble because Ray Rice punched a woman, or LeSean McCoy helped to injure a couple of cops? No one cares, at least nowhere near the level that you're suggesting. It just adds to what they've already gone on record as calling "the biggest reality show" in the world. If anything, they'll change it during the next CBA negotiations, where he doesn't have as much individual power, but even now--the owners have gone on record stating that they believe that he's handled things well (aside from maybe the Ray Rice case).

supafly said:

None of those owners give a rat's ass about what happens to the N.England Patriots, especially when they're lining their pockets with tons of money.

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You don't seem to understand. Goodell took power that the commishioner has had for 2 other commishioners had, and ABUSED it to the point where hes now been in court 4 or 5 times, and LOST everytime.

The CBA negotiations nearly failed, and if not for a last minute save by craft there more then likely would have been work stoppage. That wont be the case next time, there is ZERO chance the players union allows the League to maintain the current power it has over the players. ZERO. That makes when this current CBA is up, be ready for a shortened season, if there is a season at all.

This has nothing to do with the oweners, or the fans.

This is 100% about the players getting bent over by goodells random and ******ed punishments, and finally saying enough is enough. I highly doubt you are going to see Kraft coming to goodells aid in the next bargaining agreement, if goodell survives that long as Commissioner.

chasa said:

roger goodells spygate, bounty gate and now deflategate penalties, and pure ass hatery will be looked at as the infection that slowly killed nfl football./

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As corrupt as the league office is on those matters, none of those things will damage (let alone kill) the NFL.

The top issue threatening the league is the concussion and player safety issue. That's the one that could radically alter football as we know it.

chasa said:

You don't seem to understand. Goodell took power that the commishioner has had for 2 other commishioners had, and ABUSED it to the point where hes now been in court 4 or 5 times, and LOST everytime.

The CBA negotiations nearly failed, and if not for a last minute save by craft there more then likely would have been work stoppage. That wont be the case next time, there is ZERO chance the players union allows the League to maintain the current power it has over the players. ZERO. That makes when this current CBA is up, be ready for a shortened season, if there is a season at all.

This has nothing to do with the oweners, or the fans.

This is 100% about the players getting bent over by goodells random and ******ed punishments, and finally saying enough is enough. I highly doubt you are going to see Kraft coming to goodells aid in the next bargaining agreement, if goodell survives that long as Commissioner.

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I realize that Goodell has abused his power, and I dislike him just as much as you do. If we're being totally honest however, this issue isn't falling nearly as high on the chain of priorities as you seem to be suggesting, and it certainly isn't enough to cancel out his positive business influence on the league, which will always trump everything else.

Like you said, they'll either opt out of the CBA early, or they'll wait until the new one comes up and address it that way, but I fail to see how this means that the owners are displeased with Goodell, or how the most popular sport (behind world wide soccer/football) on the globe is suddenly going to turn upside down. From an owner's standpoint, it doesn't seem to be anything more than one issue that needs to be addressed, and if the owners are that displeased, they'll address it sooner rather than later. I see nothing to suggest that he'll be fired or that it's something that's going to ruin the game, so we seem to have a difference of opinions there.

supafly said:

So, he didn't negotiate new record television deals?

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You don't know that Kraft negotiated the TV deals?

Here's an article about the TV deals. Try to find Goodell's name - you won't.

They start out mentioning the CBA mess Goodell blew and begged Kraft to rescue him from.

Maybe I'm stupid, but after all that, I would expect Goodell to owe me big time, not to stab me in the back.

“In these difficult economic times, you want to create stability and planning for our business,” said Robert K. Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots and chairman of the league’s broadcast committee. “When we made our C.B.A. deal with the players,” he said about the collective bargaining agreement reached last summer, “we promised if they worked with us, they would be the big beneficiary — and they’re getting 55 percent of the TV money.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/sports/football/nfl-cashes-in-on-its-popularity.html