The more time that goes on, the more I have trouble rooting for Kraft

OhExaulted1 · Feb 12, 2016

Off The Grid said:
Your persistently consistent inability to process even the most explicitly explained English without getting their meanings distorted is terrifying, in a way ~ do you drive?? ~ but very amusing.

Beyond that, you warrant no further response.

"OhExaulted1", Ladies and Gentlemen.

Off The Grid said:
Hah!! Nothing was more predictable that you two geniuses clinging to each other in Anger & Fear!!

Funny to see how the guy accusing people of "Anger & Fear" uses the term terrifying to describe me a mere post before.

Hmmmm.....

Ice_Ice_Brady · Feb 12, 2016

IllegalContact said:
Heartwarming....really

So let this crap occupy your emotions......I've known the Pats have been getting railroaded for a long time, but I'm over it.....There is absolutely no point to keep bashing Kraft unless it makes you feel better and if that's the case, you need to get a life

It makes me feel better. I'd hope that's why you are obsessively reinforcing your opinion on an online forum as well.

tom444 · Feb 12, 2016

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OhExaulted1 · Feb 12, 2016

Armchair Quarterback said:
As long as we're playing make-believe, If Kraft does indeed fight back, wouldn't that mean the "haters" would have been justified in calling him out up to this point, and your defense of him with his complete and total inability to do anything about it was wrong?

I never defended his actions. I simply pointed out that no matter what he did it wouldn't have changed Rogers ruling to take picks away.

In make-believe 20/20 hindsight land some here seem to believe it would have changed things when all evidence of Goodell's actions point clearly to the contrary.

IllegalContact · Feb 12, 2016

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
It makes me feel better. I'd hope that's why you are obsessively reinforcing your opinion on an online forum as well.

really? Who's the ones obsessing over what Kraft shoulda done? For how long?

Tell me another one

IllegalContact · Feb 12, 2016

OhExaulted1 said:
I never defended his actions. I simply pointed out that no matter what he did it wouldn't have changed Rogers ruling to take picks away.

In make-believe 20/20 hindsight land some here seem to believe it would have changed things when all evidence of Goodell's actions point clearly to the contrary.

Some idiots think goodell did this in his own or with his jet minions

tom444 · Feb 12, 2016

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
It makes me feel better.

A negative point of view about Kraft makes you feel better? Interesting concept.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Feb 12, 2016

tom444 said:
A negative point of view about Kraft makes you feel better? Interesting concept.

Venting through an outlet online makes me feel better. Reading what other people have to say about the topic. Rebutting points to reinforce a viewpoint. Finding other likeminded people who can commiserate. To some degree, understanding the other viewpoint.

Isn't this stuff obvious? Why are you here??

tom444 · Feb 12, 2016

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Venting through an outlet online makes me feel better. Reading what other people have to say about the topic. Rebutting points to reinforce a viewpoint.

I guess I can see that. But I don't take a point of view that just winds up frustrating me, and so I need to vent about it at some point.

For example. Does it really make any difference that Kraft may have handled this poorly? What effect does that have on your life outside of in your mind? So if you come here to vent, why not just put yourself in the position of not having to vent in the first place?

I enjoy the Patriots. That's why I'm here. I plan on continuing to enjoy the Patriots. So, I'm looking to the 2016 season rather than concerning myself with things I can't change.

I could have expressed that better, but see my point?

Off The Grid · Feb 12, 2016

IllegalContact said:
really? Who's the ones obsessing over what Kraft shoulda done? For how long?

Tell me another one

IllegalContact, Ladies & Gentlemen!!

Ice_Ice_Brady · Feb 12, 2016

tom444 said:
I guess I can see that. But I don't take a point of view that just winds up frustrating me, and so I need to vent about it at some point.

For example. Does it really make any difference that Kraft may have handled this poorly? What effect does that have on your life outside of in your mind? So if you come here to vent, why not just put yourself in the position of not having to vent in the first place?

I enjoy the Patriots. That's why I'm here. I plan on continuing to enjoy the Patriots. So, I'm looking to the 2016 season rather than concerning myself with things I can't change.

I could have expressed that better, but see my point?

I still love the team. Living outside the region, being a fan of a team who is considered by many to be undeserving cheaters greatly effects my enjoyment and pride in the team. Is that all Kraft's fault? Of course not. Could he have made a much better effort to ensure Patriots fans feel less like this? I think many of the ideas in his thread are legitimate and answer that question with a resounding yes.

fair catch fryar · Feb 12, 2016

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I still love the team. Living outside the region, being a fan of a team who is considered by many to be undeserving cheaters greatly effects my enjoyment and pride in the team. Is that all Kraft's fault? Of course not. Could he have made a much better effort to ensure Patriots fans feel less like this? I think many of the ideas in his thread are legitimate and answer that question with a resounding yes.

What I find funny is people who jump to the assumption that because I lost respect for Kraft when he capitulated to Goodell that I sit around constantly obsessing over it and never leave my house in a constant state of depression and despair. I only discuss it when I come on this forum because my wife, kids and most of my friends could care less about it and quite honestly neither could I most of the time. I'd rather be discussing offseason needs and read from the more knowledgable posters on here about potential draft picks because I don't really follow that all that much either. Come April 28, I just may be a little more pi$$ed off than normal because the Pats and their fans will feel absolutely ripped off because we had our first round and fourth round pick taken away for absolutely no phucking reason and Bob Kraft basically bent over and screamed, "thank you sir, may I have another". I could care less about the $1 million dollars because it wasn't mine and apparently neither does Kraft because it was pocket change.

tom444 · Feb 13, 2016

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I still love the team. Living outside the region, being a fan of a team who is considered by many to be undeserving cheaters greatly effects my enjoyment and pride in the team. Is that all Kraft's fault? Of course not. Could he have made a much better effort to ensure Patriots fans feel less like this? I think many of the ideas in his thread are legitimate and answer that question with a resounding yes.

You bring up an interesting point. "Living outside the region, being a fan of a team who is considered by many to be undeserving cheaters greatly effects my enjoyment and pride in the team." I live here. I wonder if that difference affects our perspectives?

Ice_Ice_Brady · Feb 13, 2016

tom444 said:
You bring up an interesting point. "Living outside the region, being a fan of a team who is considered by many to be undeserving cheaters greatly effects my enjoyment and pride in the team." I live here. I wonder if that difference affects our perspectives?

I think it is a pretty big difference...so yes, it could definitely give two different perspectives.

tom444 · Feb 13, 2016

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I think it is a pretty big difference...so yes, it could definitely give two different perspectives.

Makes sense.

IllegalContact · Feb 13, 2016

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I still love the team. Living outside the region, being a fan of a team who is considered by many to be undeserving cheaters greatly effects my enjoyment and pride in the team. Is that all Kraft's fault? Of course not. Could he have made a much better effort to ensure Patriots fans feel less like this? I think many of the ideas in his thread are legitimate and answer that question with a resounding yes.

That's weak

IllegalContact · Feb 13, 2016

fair catch fryar said:
What I find funny is people who jump to the assumption that because I lost respect for Kraft when he capitulated to Goodell that I sit around constantly obsessing over it and never leave my house in a constant state of depression and despair. I only discuss it when I come on this forum because my wife, kids and most of my friends could care less about it and quite honestly neither could I most of the time. I'd rather be discussing offseason needs and read from the more knowledgable posters on here about potential draft picks because I don't really follow that all that much either. Come April 28, I just may be a little more pi$$ed off than normal because the Pats and their fans will feel absolutely ripped off because we had our first round and fourth round pick taken away for absolutely no phucking reason and Bob Kraft basically bent over and screamed, "thank you sir, may I have another". I could care less about the $1 million dollars because it wasn't mine and apparently neither does Kraft because it was pocket change.

Ummmm......okay

IllegalContact · Feb 13, 2016

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Venting through an outlet online makes me feel better. Reading what other people have to say about the topic. Rebutting points to reinforce a viewpoint. Finding other likeminded people who can commiserate. To some degree, understanding the other viewpoint.

Isn't this stuff obvious? Why are you here??

Talk football

Ring 6 · Feb 15, 2016

OhExaulted1 said:
When this appeal falls flat is the window of opportunity. Imagine if Kraft does take the LO office to task after Mar. 3. Kraft haters in this thread will have a whole bunch of egg on their faces.

That would be delicious.

You make no sense. You seem to think that the intelligent approach is Love Kraft or Hate Kraft regardless of his actions. You need some objectivity.
Kraft dropped the ball. He did not pursue the recourse available to him, and your strawman of sue the world isn't what anyone is talking about. His recourse was to appeal. During that appeal to have expert witness shred the Wells report. To go to the owners and explain an injustice is being done and prove to them that there is no guilt. Instead he chose to 'end the rhetoric'.
Why would anyone who recognizes his failures have 'egg on their face' if he does an about face and does what he should have done to begin with?
I am judging Kraft by his actions, if his actions change my opinion of them changes.

Patsfanin Philly · Feb 15, 2016

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
I still love the team. Living outside the region, being a fan of a team who is considered by many to be undeserving cheaters greatly effects my enjoyment and pride in the team. Is that all Kraft's fault? Of course not. Could he have made a much better effort to ensure Patriots fans feel less like this? I think many of the ideas in his thread are legitimate and answer that question with a resounding yes.

I also live outside the area in a hotbed of football fanaticism ( even if they have never won a Lombardi) and it doesn't affect my enjoyment one bit. I enjoy tweaking them as do my friends who aren't Eagles fans.. Do you know what I hear? "I wish we had Brady and/or Belichick" and to the ones who bring up Deflategate, I just mention going out to their car in February and seeing "low tire pressure" and ask if anyone tampered with it. That dumbs it down enough for even Eagles fans to understand...

The more time that goes on, the more I have trouble rooting for Kraft

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