The more time that goes on, the more I have trouble rooting for Kraft

OhExaulted1 said:

Most people here seem to be leaving Godildo blameless while firing missles at Kraft. I find that "odd".

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I seem to remember something negative someone posted here once or twice about Goodell...

tom444 said:

No actually that would be the franchise and the league it plays in.

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Deliberately obtuse is the order of the day. Let's start off slowly:

1. Robert Kraft owns the Patriots.

2. The two most prized assets to the Patriots are Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.

3. Both guys have ushered in an era of unprecedented success for his franchise.

4. Prior to them coming along, the franchise wasn't nearly as lucrative as it is today.

5. Winning, as a result of the aforementioned two, has put asses in seats and sold food and beverages at a high rate in his stadium.

Therefore, the two most prized assets to HIS business, which is the New England Patriots, are Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. The former he failed to back up after Deflategate and instead chose to hug the guy leading the charge against him, the latter he called a "schmuck" and allowed the media to form their own opinions about what happened without challenging them or the draconian punishment passed down upon the league once.

Tommy, go back to the PoFo. Talking football is not your strength.

No, actually you're wrong. In fact your view is myopic. I'll tell you what though, you go buy a franchise and run it how you like.

OhExaulted1 said:

File an appeal to be heard by Roger and his Jet flunkies at 345 Park Ave. without a union backing him? Yeah, OK. He was so reasonable with Tom, right? And what are these "many" options you speak of?

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So your logic is that you shouldn't appeal even though you know you did nothing because you think you will lose the appeal? That is ridiculous. Glad Brady didn't feel that way.

Kraft could have appealed. He could have challenged the findings, and even Goodells authority. He could have refused to accept Goodell/Wells findings, and refused to accept the punishment, making it a league issue, and making owners choose sides, and creating a knock down drag out fight.
He could have done this by having his own independent investigation done, by challenging Wells and Goodell, and if necessary going to court over it.
He could have supported Tom Brady. He could have said 'he better be' when asked if he expected Brady on the field week 1 instead of saying 'I hope everyone who deserves to play plays' he could have been the lead witness at the Brady's appeal, rather than refusing to testify. If his vacation was more important, he could have hurried from the airport to the hearing. If that was too much he could have not refused to testify by phone.
He could have stopped hugging Goodell.
I could go on.

I think the idea of anyone rooting for their team's owner is a strange one. There's a reason that most sports movies use the owner as the villain or (in the best of cases) a weasel who is still a necessary evil because he/she funds the team. I think people are hurt because Kraft has always marketed himself as a fan first, and it turns out he's just like any other owner. But in hindsight that should have been expected.

tom444 said:

No, actually you're wrong. In fact your view is myopic. I'll tell you what though, you go buy a franchise and run it how you like.

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So basically...



You can now feel free to crawl back down that ****hole from whence you came...

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I've never seen anyone lose a debate as often as you do Kon. It seems to be part of your DNA.

Silver Blue&Red said:

That is correct. He's making a lot of money period. I don't agree with what he did either. As a matter of fact, you'll probably find many posts where I show my anger from it. I'm just saying he is not going against his golden goose. I really hope I'm wrong. There is nothing I would like more than for him to go against the other owners. Goodell works for the owners. The owners run the NFL. Kraft may be legally bound to not contest it. Maybe there's a loop hole. I would also like to see TB sue the crap out of them too.

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He had the right to appeal. I'm sure he has the legal right to challenge the findings by Ted Wells, even if can't take legal action vs the NFL itself.
The idea that bending over makes him more money, or implying that he would lose his team or something stupid like that if he stood up and didn't let himself get bamboozled is ridiculous and only the fodder of Kraft apologists looking for a reason they can invent.

tom444 said:

I've never seen anyone lose a debate as often as you do Kon. It seems to be part of your DNA.

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Don't be butthurt. Like I said, go back to the PoFo. People actually value the things you say down there and it's more your strength. Leave the football talk to the people who know what they're talking about.

Sicilian said:

I'm not trying to talk you out of anything, but what exactly are you going to talk about here if you're no longer watching football?

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1960 through the Brady years.

Just so there isn't any more confusion, it isn't because of Kraft that I'll be dumping the NYJFL. He and the team are just collateral damage.

KontradictioN said:

Don't be butthurt. Like I said, go back to the PoFo. People actually value the things you say down there and it's more your strength. Leave the football talk to the people who know what they're talking about.

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You lose again Kon-man.

AndyJohnson said:

So your logic is that you shouldn't appeal even though you know you did nothing because you think you will lose the appeal? That is ridiculous. Glad Brady didn't feel that way.

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Brady also knew he would lose the appeal to Goodell, as his legal team said so from the beginning. However, you have to exhaust available internal options before a US court would even consider hearing it. So, Kraft essentially ensured he could never, ever appeal this to anyone, ever, because he didn't even opt to appeal, which was wide open to him and part of the NFL's process.

tom444 said:

You lose again Kon-man.

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You're like the kid at recess who loses a game and then says, "No! No! No! YOU lose because the gravel is LAVA! HA!" You don't get to win an argument just because you say you did.

tom444 said:

I've never seen anyone lose a debate as often as you do Kon. It seems to be part of your DNA.

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Do you have any idea how laughably foolish you are? You are like an Associate Village Idiot.

Sicilian said:

You're like the kid at recess who loses a game and then says, "No! No! No! YOU lose because the gravel is LAVA! HA!" You don't get to win an argument just because you say you did.

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So you also think that Brady and BB are more important assets than the franchise and the league? Yeah, ok.

tom444 said:

You lose again Kon-man.

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At least you make me laugh, Tommy. Keep trolling, bud. You're good at that as well. I get the last word though.

IllegalContact said:

Bandwagoner

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Maybe I haven't made my point clearly enough.

Although I don't agree with the way Kraft handled defamegate in 2015 and crygate in 2007, that is not the reason I'm dumping the NYJFL. It's because of their intention to influence the games on the field.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Do you have any ideal how laughably foolish you are? You are like an Associate Village Idiot.

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Yeah, it's all Krafts fault.

KontradictioN said:

At least you make me laugh, Tommy. Keep trolling, bud. You're good at that as well. I get the last word though.

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You keep replying to me because you know I'm right. You're not as stupid as you appear.

tom444 said:

You keep replying to me because you know I'm right. You're not as stupid as you appear.

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Dementia is kicking your ass again, I see. You're boring me now. I'm done with you. Feel free to keep trucking, though. You're killing it in this thread.