How does Belichick feel about edge rushers

PatsfanCP · Feb 10, 2016

I Remember reading that Bill does like players like Clay Matthews and Mario Williams

I know he coached Lawrence Taylor but Taylor was versitale

But overall how does bill feel about 3-4 OLB who just rush the passer majority of downs.

In Bill we trust

supafly · Feb 10, 2016

I think the versatility plays a big part in it, and a guy like Chandler Jones would likely be an ideal fit in Belichick's mind, minus the inconsistency and probability that he's lower on the list of current priorities. The ability to play both standing up and with his hand in the dirt is appealing, as is moving him around inside/out. Keep in mind that we still have at least 2 of those types of players with Ninkovich and Sheard, and that's if you don't count someone like Hightower who can line up on the line at times, as well. I don't know if we can really include someone like Easley due to the difference in size, but I don't believe that these are the types of players that you're asking about anyways.

As far as drafting/FA pickups go for pure pass rushers with little else to offer, I don't think we'll see that too often, aside from maybe hitting the bargain bin on a FA past his prime. Setting the edge and stopping the run are KEY traits to have on this team, as you must be able to do your job effectively. That said, I wouldn't count out taking a later round flier on someone, either, but I don't think it will happen in the first 3-4 rounds by any stretch of the imagination. Just my opinion.

PatsfanCP · Feb 10, 2016

supafly said:
I think the versatility plays a big part in it, and a guy like Chandler Jones would likely be an ideal fit in Belichick's mind, minus the inconsistency and probability that he's lower on the list of current priorities. The ability to play both standing up and with his hand in the dirt is appealing, as is moving him around inside/out. Keep in mind that we still have at least 2 of those types of players with Ninkovich and Sheard, and that's if you don't count someone like Hightower who can line up on the line at times, as well. I don't know if we can really include someone like Easley due to the difference in size, but I don't believe that these are the types of players that you're asking about anyways.

As far as drafting/FA pickups go for pure pass rushers with little else to offer, I don't think we'll see that too often, aside from maybe hitting the bargain bin on a FA past his prime. Setting the edge and stopping the run are KEY traits to have on this team, as you must be able to do your job effectively. That said, I wouldn't count out taking a later round flier on someone, either, but I don't think it will happen in the first 3-4 rounds by any stretch of the imagination. Just my opinion.

Yeah I have always felt that about Bill

Because the patriots defensive scheme is less aggressive scheme they show a lot of different looks and coverages nickel sometimes 4-3 and 3-4

supafly · Feb 10, 2016

PatsfanCP said:
Yeah I have always felt that about Bill

Because the patriots defensive scheme is less aggressive scheme they show a lot of different looks and coverages nickel sometimes 4-3 and 3-4

I think those "shiny pure passrushers" that you're speaking of would be nice to have, but it doesn't make a ton of sense to waste an early round selection on them unless you've got the rest of your front seven worked out nicely. I think it's a bit of a luxury, but there are plenty of teams who jump on players like that all the time.

I'm still fully convinced that we'll be taking another LB in the first 4 rounds of the draft, but I may be way off with that thought. I think we'll need depth to replace Mayo, and it will also be great to add another young, fast piece to the defense, particularly during a period where we can use them as leverage in the upcoming Collins/HT negotiations (on some lesser level).

slash83 · Feb 10, 2016

I might be wrong but some time ago I think I remember reading an article about how BB likes his edge rushers lanky with long arms where they can engulf the offensive tackle, such as a Willie Mac and Chandler Jones. I personally done recall seeing a quick accelerating OLB or DE such as a Von Miller or James Harrison type in his prime.

manxman2601 · Feb 10, 2016

supafly said:
I think those "shiny pure passrushers" that you're speaking of would be nice to have, but it doesn't make a ton of sense to waste an early round selection on them unless you've got the rest of your front seven worked out nicely. I think it's a bit of a luxury, but there are plenty of teams who jump on players like that all the time.

I'm still fully convinced that we'll be taking another LB in the first 4 rounds of the draft, but I may be way off with that thought. I think we'll need depth to replace Mayo, and it will also be great to add another young, fast piece to the defense, particularly during a period where we can use them as leverage in the upcoming Collins/HT negotiations (on some lesser level).

I'd like to see him add someone who can set the edge, Rush the passer and come inside on passing downs as cover for Easley who has now been injured for significant parts of two seasons. I'd be all over Jonathan Bullard of Florida if we had a first rounder. I like him more than than I did Easley coming into the draft. He'd also be an upgrade on Geneo Grissom in my opinion.

manxman2601 · Feb 10, 2016

I remember reading, but can't remember where, that the one thing the Patriots didn't really like about Chandler Jones was his fairly slow 10 yd split. Just something to bear in mind at combine time.

DarrylS · Feb 10, 2016

Is this Denver/Carolina fall out, where we want the Pats to imitate the Denver D??

IMO BB does not have a specific philosophy, but has a bunch of versatile players with whom he can mix and match and specifically game plan with. The Pats have always had the philosophy to take away the strength of the opposing O..

There is always veiled criticism after a loss that there was this deficit or that deficit, however we do it all in the backdrop of not knowing what the specific game plan was and what the specific responsibilities were..

Back in the time machine when Seymour was here and this board was in its infancy, #93 would frequently get bashed by the talk show mediots and on this board, only to have BB ascend to the podium and openly praise Seymour regarding what a great game he had.. so we so not know what BB & Krewe has planned for that game..

RobertWeathers · Feb 10, 2016

PatsfanCP said:
I Remember reading that Bill does like players like Clay Matthews and Mario Williams

I know he coached Lawrence Taylor but Taylor was versitale

But overall how does bill feel about 3-4 OLB who just rush the passer majority of downs.

In Bill we trust

I think we have 15 years worth of history on the type of edge player BB likes.

Willie Mac
Chandler Jones
Nink
Sheard
Vrable
Colvin
Andre Carter

Guys that can rush the passer with hand in dirt or stand up, set the edge and drop into zone coverage.

skinnydog · Feb 10, 2016

Bill likes them to set the edge

AzorianPats · Feb 10, 2016

skinnydog said:
Bill likes them to set the edge

Remember when Chandler Jones was mic'd up for the Redskins game? Pre game huddle with the DLine, we heard him say "first we stop the run, then we have some fun!"

Thats all we need to know!

Froob · Feb 10, 2016

AzorianPats said:
Remember when Chandler Jones was mic'd up for the Redskins game? Pre game huddle with the DLine, we heard him say "first we stop the run, then we have some fun!"

Thats all we need to know!

Arrogance and disrespect, where's the public apology?

SHOWTIME15 · Feb 10, 2016

AzorianPats said:
Remember when Chandler Jones was mic'd up for the Redskins game? Pre game huddle with the DLine, we heard him say "first we stop the run, then we have some fun!"

Thats all we need to know!

Chandler has been having a little too much fun these days....

SalemPats · Feb 10, 2016

Mario Williams could be intriguing. He will be cut soon and has made a ton of money. I wouldn't be shocked if he takes less to win.

borg · Feb 10, 2016

skinnydog said:
Bill likes them to set the edge

Questions....
How good is Von Miller setting the edge?
Why not line Jamie Collins up as DE....like Miller.....both 6-3, both 250, Miller a tenth faster, Collins better vertical.
I get the versatility that Collins gives the LB corp...but I've been watching Miller singlehandedly destroy 2 MVP candidate QBs in the playoffs. Factor in NE's inability to get off the field on third down.....could Collins be NE's future edge rusher?
Of course lets wait till he signs a lesser LB contract before he gets redeployed (that BB....so damn devious)....

Sicilian · Feb 10, 2016

borg said:
Questions....
How good is Vaughn Miller setting the edge?
Why not line Jamie Collins up as DE....like Miller.....both 6-3, both 250, Miller a tenth faster, Collins better vertical.
I get the versatility that Collins gives the LB corp...but I've been watching Miller singlehandedly destroy 2 MVP candidate QBs in the playoffs. Factor in NE's inability to get off the field on third down.....could Collins be NE's future edge rusher?
Of course lets wait till he signs a lesser LB contract before he gets redeployed (that BB....so damn devious)....

For what it's worth, New England was 10th this year in stopping 3rd downs. Room for improvement sure, but Denver was only 7th, so they were both in the same ball park. There are other metrics where Denver had them beat hands down, but I wouldn't consider 3rd down conversions to be a real concerning takeaway in this year's post-mordem.

tasmlab · Feb 10, 2016

Otherworldly rushers like Miller are often taken with the first few picks of the draft. Let's hope BB is never able to draft there. ;-)

In my casual, amateur viewing, it seems like BB prefers to let teams have their plays and seem busy without blowing up everything behind the LOS, while not giving up points. It sort of lulls the other team into continue to do what seems successful for too long and not making any radical offensive changes until way too late in the game.

borg · Feb 10, 2016

Sicilian said:
For what it's worth, New England was 10th this year in stopping 3rd downs. Room for improvement sure, but Denver was only 7th, so they were both in the same ball park. There are other metrics where Denver had them beat hands down, but I wouldn't consider 3rd down conversions to be a real concerning takeaway in this year's post-mordem.

In primetime...aka...the playoffs.......NE opponents converted 18 of 37 3rd down attempts (49%) led by two of the least impressive QBs, Alex Smith and Noodle Arm.
NE's terrifying trio of defensive ends , Jones, Sheard, Ninkovich, tallied ONE sack in these playoffs.
On the other hand, the World Champion Broncos held playoff opponents to 7 third down conversions out of 42 attempts (17%). Denver's dynamic duo of defensive ends tallied 8.5 sacks.
Is that the same ball park?

Sicilian · Feb 10, 2016

borg said:
In primetime...aka...the playoffs.......NE opponents converted 18 of 37 3rd down attempts (49%) led by two of the least impressive QBs, Alex Smith and Noodle Arm.
NE's terrifying trio of defensive ends , Jones, Sheard, Ninkovich, tallied ZERO sacks in these playoffs.
On the other hand, the World Champion Broncos held playoff opponents to 7 third down conversions out of 42 attempts (17%). Denver's dynamic duo of defensive ends tallied 8.5 sacks.
Is that the same ball park?

I don't put as much stock in a two game sample size as you do. Of course the playoffs is where you make your bread, but by your logic the other 16 games simply don't matter, and I will never agree to that.

Joker · Feb 10, 2016

How good is Vaughn Miller setting the edge?

who the hell is "Vaughn" Miller?

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