Far Be it from me to side with the Racial Arsonists...

A while back this pic was heavily criticized as being racist against Cam, unfortunately the only way to completely protect yourself from a claim of racism, when discussing Cam, is to be rabidly pro-Cam.

More proof that the half time show was racist.

Beyonce delivers highly political Super Bowl halftime show

The word "boy" can certainly be construed as being racist, depending on the tone and manner with which it was said. I didn't actually hear Romanowski's quote so I can comment on that either way. But you can also say something like "boooyyy, you better go up and fight for those rebounds", on a basketball court to a black dude and it's not racist. So it depends strongly on the tone and context that it's said in. That stated, some of you in the C.O.C. (Constantly Offended Crowd) had better never step foot on a basketball court. You would probably get into the fetal position and start weeping if you heard some of the stuff guys said to each other out there.

This thread reminds me of the 80s when I used to watch the Dukes of Hazard with Boss Hog and dem damn pesky boys.

XLIX said:

If "boy" is offensive and has racial undertones, then how about Newton spending an entire press conference saying "Donkey Kong Suh"...? If a prominent white QB did that, it would have been a sports story so large it would have made deflategate look like a blip on the radar.

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Ah yes, the classic" they say it so why can't I" argument. You know you're an apologist when you resort to using this.

EatSleepWinRepeat said:

Ah yes, the classic" they say it so why can't I" argument. You know you're an apologist when you resort to using this.

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Eh, some language barriers do nothing but promote the continued existence of racism. Obviously, you don't want to go around casually tossing out some of the more harsh racial epithets, but Suh looks exactly like the video game character. A white quarterback shouldn't have any fear of tossing that out there as a tongue-in-cheek joke. That it automatically gets turned into a racial faux pas is, in and of itself, racist. Because why are those that see racism in a statement like that thinking in undertones of race? Why does one's mind go right to that?

KontradictioN said:

The word "boy" can certainly be construed as being racist, depending on the tone and manner with which it was said. I didn't actually hear Romanowski's quote so I can comment on that either way. But you can also say something like "boooyyy, you better go up and fight for those rebounds", on a basketball court to a black dude and it's not racist. So it depends strongly on the tone and context that it's said in. That stated, some of you in the C.O.C. (Constantly Offended Crowd) had better never step foot on a basketball court. You would probably get into the fetal position and start weeping if you heard some of the stuff guys said to each other out there.

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Hell yes. I can recall many a time in which I was guarding a black hoop player I was called *****, Cracker, Toothpick, Frosty, Brady Bunch....and Boy.

If I chose to utter the "N" word in response I wouldn't be typing this right now...

Thats just the way it is.

robertweathers said:

Hell yes. I can recall many a time in which I was guarding a black hoop player I was called *****, Cracker, Toothpick, Frosty, Brady Bunch....and Boy.

If I chose to utter the "N" word in response I wouldn't be typing this right now...

Thats just the way it is.

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I've only said that word to very good friends of mine and it was in the context that it ended with an A. But it was used as a term of endearment when we were busting one another's balls and I got it back in time. I would never used the other variation as a way of exuding hatred. Both sides, the Trump-style racists and the C.O.C., have a hard fathoming two people of opposite races being that close to where they're comfortable busting balls like that. One side is only a little worse than the other but, as a whole, they're both responsible for keeping racial division alive and well in this country.

And LOL at you getting called "Brady Bunch". That's awesome.

Triumph said:

More proof that the half time show was racist.

Beyonce delivers highly political Super Bowl halftime show

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beyonce doesn't have a single white woman in her group of dancers?

shouldn't there be some lawsuits?

Snake Eyes said:

Actually Romonowski DOES have that right, it's fully protected by the 1st Amendment.

Anyway, did he whip or hang any of those blacks? Was Cam whipped or hung?

If not, why are you suggesting people modify their behavior because of events that neither one had anything to do with?

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With regard to your first point, you're right that, in the United States, nearly all speech is protected by the First Amendment [you still can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater, you can't slander someone nor can you directly incite people to violence or other criminal acts...and, there are a few other exceptions that slip my mind]. But, Romanowski's words, and much worse, are protected by the First Amendment.

In the United States, it's left to society, through the standards of its mass media communication outlets, to "police" language (there are plenty of websites, outside of mass media venues, to which one can choose to go where racist or ethnic hate speech is openly practiced and protected).

That's what happened to Romanowski. His speech, his right to which would be deplored but defended by the ACLU, was condemned in the mass media and applauded only by those who are comfortable on the kinds of web sites I just described.

I do, though, completely disagree that there is no connection between words and actions. An environment in which racist or hate speech, though legal, is common has long ago been viewed as leading to activities which mirror that speech. So, yeah, Romanowski didn't lynch Cam, but he used language that was, in the past, a common part of a language that nurtured a view of blacks as legitimate targets of such activities. That's why he was slammed for it by so many.

EatSleepWinRepeat said:

Ah yes, the classic" they say it so why can't I" argument. You know you're an apologist when you resort to using this.

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You do know that's not really an argument but just name-calling, yes?

Anyway, do you support different rules for different people?

Could care less about the "boy" comment....yada yada yada.
The failure to dive on the fumble is more interesting considering the OP's statement ..."That Fumble will define his Career".
Now I've seen fumbles bounce around Manning's feet in recent years and Manning's immediate reaction is one of personal preservation as he quickly vacates the ensuing scrums for the ball. Funny how this action doesn't define Manning, with the possible exception of New Englanders' perception..... but Newton gets a different treatment by the OP....and many others.

Personally, I'm cutting the guy some slack because his initial response has likely been so coached into him his entire football career, just like Manning. From high school, through college, and in the pros....these prodigies have always been protected and the key to their team's success and coaches who value their jobs need to keep these difference makers healthy. Pats fans are lucky their guy has had to be a fighter up through the ranks and that state of mind has endured.....which is remarkable.

Newton has come a long way as a QB over the past 5 years but mentally he is still a work in progress....but there has been progress and I expect this guy to continue to evolve forward. I can't define the guy on one play given that he sacrifices his body running the ball more than most QB's in the league. Chalk it up as a learning experience for the guy....and I fully expect a more seasoned QB in the future. Sunday was a tough but important lesson for the guy.

Now if he would just stop with the self celebrations........

Snake Eyes said:

Anyway, do you support different rules for different people?

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Depends on the impetus or rationale for said rules. I don't think you can make a categorical declaration on this, either way.

Off The Grid said:

And I believe now, as I believed 5 Years ago, that Cam Newton is a Poser who's just in it for the Money.

Indeed, I believe that his gutless reaction to That Fumble will define his Career.

And I believe that it should.

Cam Newton has always been all about Cam Newton.

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Mr Grid, I've looked at the fumble a few times and I'm not convinced it's so clear-cut. He pulls back just at the point that the Panthers' O-line man comes into the picture. It's very plausible he thought: don't get in Kalil's way but get goal-side for him to push the ball my way when it comes out from the two of them. Which is sort-of what happened -- except it went past him. At least, there's a doubt.

My $0.02

Cam Newton Doesn't Explain Why He Jumped From Fumble In Super Bowl 50

PatsFanSince74 said:

With regard to your first point, you're right that, in the United States, nearly all speech is protected by the First Amendment [you still can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater, you can't slander someone nor can you directly incite people to violence or other criminal acts...and, there are a few other exceptions that slip my mind]. But, Romanowski's words, and much worse, are protected by the First Amendment.

In the United States, it's left to society, through the standards of its mass media communication outlets, to "police" language (there are plenty of websites, outside of mass media venues, to which one can choose to go where racist or ethnic hate speech is openly practiced and protected).

That's what happened to Romanowski. His speech, his right to which would be deplored but defended by the ACLU, was condemned in the mass media and applauded only by those who are comfortable on the kinds of web sites I just described.

I do, though, completely disagree that there is no connection between words and actions. An environment in which racist or hate speech, though legal, is common has long ago been viewed as leading to activities which mirror that speech. So, yeah, Romanowski didn't lynch Cam, but he used language that was, in the past, a common part of a language that nurtured a view of blacks as legitimate targets of such activities. That's why he was slammed for it by so many.

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When did I say there is “no connection between words and actions”?

Next, it’s quite a leap to label “boy” as hate speech. Next, though it may be viewed as “leading to such activities” that’s essentially the slippery slope argument: “if people are allowed to insult blacks they’ll soon be lynching them”, really? Whites are allowed to insult whites all day long, being able to also insult blacks means you’re treating them as an equal, not as some weird combination of a superior/inferior.

I think Romanowski was targeted simply because he could be targeted, Rob Lowe was targeted and he didn’t say “boy” or “son”, he simply criticized Cam. Checking someone elses privilege is how you admit and repent for your own, it’s the new Original Sin!

Cam just gave an interview , a clip on EEI just now? Anyone hear it? "Everyone calls me a thug...blah blah blah"...the clip must be out there.

Found it, I hope...this is the ESPN link



well, this clip refuses to work here but it's up on ESPN on the NFL tab...essentially he blames his postgame interview on being a sore loser

Newton defends himself, says he's 'sore loser'

Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton defended how he handled himself with the media after his team lost to the Broncos in Super Bowl 50, saying he's a "sore loser."

The newly crowned league MVP walked out on reporters Sunday after answering only a handful of questions, mostly with short, soft-spoken answers.

"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser," he said.

He said if he offended anyone, "that's cool," and said he would not change his persona to appease anyone.

Newton hasn't spoken to the media in his previous four seasons on the day players clean out their lockers following the season, but he felt compelled to talk on Tuesday amidst criticism of him.

"I've got no more tears to cry,'' Newton said. "I've obviously had a lot of time to think about it. I've seen so much blown out of proportion.

"At the end of the day, when you invest so much time and sacrifice so much and things don't go as planned, the emotions take over. That's what happens. As far as trying to be like this person, trying to be like that person ... the truth of the matter is I'm not trying to be like this person. "This is a great league with or without me. I am my own person. I said it since Day 1. I am who I am. I know what I'm capable of and I know where I'm going. I don't have to conform to anybody else's wants for me to do. I'm not that guy. If you want me to be that type

Newton also defended himself for not diving to try to recover his fumble in the fourth quarter that eventually was recovered by the Broncos. Denver went on to score a touchdown to put the game out of reach.

He said that he would have risked injury by diving as it would have meant he would have had to twist his leg in an awkward direction.

Newton said that if he had thrown an interception and not tried to make the tackle to avoid an injury he likely would have not heard any complaints.

"We didn't lose that game because of that fumble. I can tell you that," he said.

well, there it is.."**** you everybody"...guess the narrative changes a little bit now, eh?

oh look another thread making this issue a racial one. Look if you dont like Cam then dont like Cam; personally I think saying that will define his career is like the people who said Brady's Super Bowl loses would define his career, or that ballghazi would define him. Even if Romanowski wasn't being racist, which for the record there is about 95% chance he was, then he is just being a giant disrespectful turd. People are using this Cam stuff to justify their own preconceived notions about him, nobody cared when the Seahawks players last year just started insulting the press after the game or this year when the Talib and Broncos were talking a lot of trash after the game, but cam leaving after a few questions is apparently something that's going to kill his NFL career.

Triumph said:

More proof that the half time show was racist.

Beyonce delivers highly political Super Bowl halftime show

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who the hell cares?

Snake Eyes said:

When did I say there is “no connection between words and actions”?

Next, it’s quite a leap to label “boy” as hate speech. Next, though it may be viewed as “leading to such activities” that’s essentially the slippery slope argument: “if people are allowed to insult blacks they’ll soon be lynching them”, really? Whites are allowed to insult whites all day long, being able to also insult blacks means you’re treating them as an equal, not as some weird combination of a superior/inferior.

I think Romanowski was targeted simply because he could be targeted, Rob Lowe was targeted and he didn’t say “boy” or “son”, he simply criticized Cam. Checking someone elses privilege is how you admit and repent for your own, it’s the new Original Sin!

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MODS: time to move this to a political forum, I think.

You said the speech was OK and that no one had whipped or lynched him. I'm saying there's a connection between hate speech and those activities.
And, yes, used in certain contexts, which would include its application to a high profile black male who had suggested that he was the target of racism, a reasonable argument can be made that "boy" can be classified as hate speech.

I'll reply again if the mods put this in a political forum or, if you start a thread there, I'll look for it and be happy to continue the discussion with you there.

Joker said:

Cam just gave an interview , a clip on EEI just now? Anyone hear it? "Everyone calls me a thug...blah blah blah"...the clip must be out there.

Found it, I hope...this is the ESPN link



well, this clip refuses to work here but it's up on ESPN on the NFL tab...essentially he blames his postgame interview on being a sore loser

Newton defends himself, says he's 'sore loser'

Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton defended how he handled himself with the media after his team lost to the Broncos in Super Bowl 50, saying he's a "sore loser."

The newly crowned league MVP walked out on reporters Sunday after answering only a handful of questions, mostly with short, soft-spoken answers.

"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser," he said.

He said if he offended anyone, "that's cool," and said he would not change his persona to appease anyone.

Newton hasn't spoken to the media in his previous four seasons on the day players clean out their lockers following the season, but he felt compelled to talk on Tuesday amidst criticism of him.

"I've got no more tears to cry,'' Newton said. "I've obviously had a lot of time to think about it. I've seen so much blown out of proportion.

"At the end of the day, when you invest so much time and sacrifice so much and things don't go as planned, the emotions take over. That's what happens. As far as trying to be like this person, trying to be like that person ... the truth of the matter is I'm not trying to be like this person. "This is a great league with or without me. I am my own person. I said it since Day 1. I am who I am. I know what I'm capable of and I know where I'm going. I don't have to conform to anybody else's wants for me to do. I'm not that guy. If you want me to be that type

Newton also defended himself for not diving to try to recover his fumble in the fourth quarter that eventually was recovered by the Broncos. Denver went on to score a touchdown to put the game out of reach.

He said that he would have risked injury by diving as it would have meant he would have had to twist his leg in an awkward direction.

Newton said that if he had thrown an interception and not tried to make the tackle to avoid an injury he likely would have not heard any complaints.

"We didn't lose that game because of that fumble. I can tell you that," he said.

well, there it is.."**** you everybody"...guess the narrative changes a little bit now, eh?

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That quite often was my attitude back when I was a "boy."