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I haven't seen one running back I like in the mid rounds and Lewis is coming off his only success in the nil, which was half a season, and he tore his acl.

Im starting to get the feeling that this draft is loaded with mid-late talented RB talent
 
You can look at his stats and tell me all the wonderful things he's done, i don't care. When i watched him play this year, he looked like he was starting to show signs of wear and tear. Not the same player he was years ago. And not worth the type of cash you're talking about IMO.

You can give me your rhetoric about him "wanting to win" and how he still put up good stats on a bad team, but that's the same garbage people were trying to sell about Frank Gore last year. If you actually watched Gore play last year and didn't just go based on reputation and stats, It would be obvious that he was close to being done and not close to player he once was.

Your assessment of Chris Ivory is way off. Stop getting caught up in the announcers calling him a battering ram and seeing him pumped up as a good get in fantasy football. Watch the guy play for five games. Almost every single rush of his is 2-3 yards where he smacks into his own OL like how Maroney used to. The guy has poor vision. Once a game he'll bust a 25-30 yard run thru a gaping hole which will bring his YPA up near 4.0. If given the choice of Bolden or Ivory, i would definitely choose Bolden. You can get Bolden for a much better price and he's far more versatile with his ability to catch the ball and play special teams.

Do you honestly think that having Matt Forte or Chris Ivory in the backfield Would have changed anything in Denver?

I don't. Our offensive line was getting blown off the ball completely on almost every play. Any time a RB was handed the ball, there was immediate penetration with no where to go. Our five man offensive line was getting worked by a three man defensive front. I don't care if you have Adrian Peterson -- With that type of line play, you're not running the ball effectively regardless of who is in the backfield.

Bottom line: Upgrading the personnel on the offensive line is more important than getting a "stud RB." Not only does the OL protect Brady, it dictates how well you run the ball.

A good example of this from this year can be seen when you look at Demarco Murray and Darren McFadden. Murray had a fabulous season with Dallas in 2014, signs with Philly and is absolutely abysmal. McFadden has been deemed a JAG, done, fragile, soft, overrated yet gets signed by Dallas and has his best season in years despite playing they majority of the season with Matt Cassel as his QB - AKA no real passing threat at QB.

How does this happen? Offensive line play. Dallas' offensive line is one of the best in the league, Philly's is one of the worst.

Philly went out and got that "stud RB" yet could not run the ball at all. He's wasting away. When the OL can't get any push or open any holes, it doesn't matter who you have back there.

Dallas kept its very good OL in place and brought in a mid-level RB replacement, and got excellent production out of him especially when you consider how poor their QB play was.

OL > RB. Stop getting caught up in names. Our problem hasn't been that we don't have a Doug Martin or Chris Ivory. Our problem has been that we lost excellent offensive lineman like Brian Waters and Logan Mankins over the last few years and haven't found capable replacements yet.

You make a compelling argument and this is how I feel as well in terms of spreading the depth around via cheaper avenues, although it'd still be nice to see either of those RBs brought in, as unlikely as I think that is to happen.
 
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i dont think bill will go out and get offensive lineman i think the patriots will just try to operate in house with solider coming back

Even if we continue to build around the starters Solder and Vollmer, the backups of Cannon, Fleming, and possibly Waddle will need to be replaced. That's not even bringing up Solder and Vollmer's specifics such as health, contract length, current cap hit, etc. OT is definitely a position that needs to be addressed, in my opinion.
 
Yeah, for what it's worth, Brother Ivan: You know that I'm a Fan of Yours, but Brother 79 is making strong and reasonable Arguments, and ~ disagree though you obviously do ~ I think you've been out'f line, here.


We disagree Grid, the argument you made was a decent argument, the other one was crap, claiming that Christine Micheal is a good player and a better option than Forte when his pro career has literally sucked and he can't keep a job is garbage, and then claiming that Brandon Bolden is better than Chris Ivory is the same. While I disagree with your take on this I can still respect it because you make a solid case, I am not however going to do the same when someone is talking out of their ass, and that's what those claims were.
 
Im starting to get the feeling that this draft is loaded with mid-late talented RB talent
There are a few guys to like, i for one like Paul Perkins out of UCLA, but in my mind the problem is that these guys arent going to start right away and if they dont then you rely on Lewis as the starter unless you sign someone else to be the starter. Forte; if he is brought in, becomes the immediate starter.
 
RB is an easy impact position where even a Rookie could strive from Day 1.
 
RB is an easy impact position where even a Rookie could strive from Day 1.
Yeah! Like Laurence Maroney!

I shouldn't be surprised, but I guess I am a little to see so much hate, derision, and outright dismissal towards the idea of maybe picking up an All-Pro level RB if he agrees to a cap-friendly contract.
 
Yeah! Like Laurence Maroney!

I shouldn't be surprised, but I guess I am a little to see so much hate, derision, and outright dismissal towards the idea of maybe picking up an All-Pro level RB if he agrees to a cap-friendly contract.
If they don't fix the line it won't matter. I'd be good with just taking one with a midround pick unless Forte comes cheap.
 
Bingo!!
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Yeah not sure if even AD gets anything vs that Broncos defense.
 
If they don't fix the line it won't matter. I'd be good with just taking one with a midround pick unless Forte comes cheap.
Of course the line needs to be better. Hopefully thru better injury luck and training (remember that dude got fired too), improvement of the young guys, better coaching, and adding some talent/depth either via draft or FA it will be. It can't be worse. Having some/all of that happen for the Oline AND the best possible RB corps are not mutually exclusive. It'd be a shame to have the line improve in 2016 only to have failed to properly flesh out the RB position.
 
We can spend the next four months arguing ... None of this means a thing. The big variable here is what he would cost us. Some are arguing from the POV (point of view) that he would cost top or close to top RB money. In that respect I agree not worth it, he's not a stallion that he once was and he'd likely be a one or two year rental and he'd be splitting reps.

On the other hand we have people arguing from the POV that his contract would be economical and team friendly, in that respect , I agree! Getting him at a fair price would be wonderful. Proven , dual threat veteran who would instantly upgrade your lead back position.

Point is, until actual numbers are out there everyone is a little right and a little wrong.
 
Big mistake if he does that.

I think the last time the Pats made signing an OL a priority was Mike Compton in 2001.

Unless a Brian Watters drops in their lap again I don't see it happening.
 
Well, at least the people advocating they go cheap at RB won't be able, to complain if they have no run game next season.
 
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