Let The Games Begin - Post Peyton GOAT References

Comparing Brady to Manning now is ridiculous. Manning is damaged goods. He has a crippling nerve injury. Good for him that he made a handful of plays last night and didn't outright lose the game. That's about the best he can do, and that's why he will retire during the offseason. But, during their primes, Manning was scary. If he had Pats defenses and BB who is to say he wouldn't have more rings?

letekro said:

Comparing Brady to Manning now is ridiculous. Manning is damaged goods. He has a crippling nerve injury. Good for him that he made a handful of plays last night and didn't outright lose the game. That's about the best he can do, and that's why he will retire during the offseason. But, during their primes, Manning was scary. If he had Pats defenses and BB who is to say he wouldn't have more rings?

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Peyton has choked many times in the playoffs. That has nothing to do with who was coaching him.

PatsfanCP said:

I'm waiting for the ignorance

I respect Peyton manning he is a top 5 QB of all time

But I'm waiting for the ignorance tonight on ESPN or the NFL network of someone saying Peyton manning is better than Brady is the GOAT.


I have no problem with Peyton.
But if I hear that it pisses me off because it is purely ignorant.

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That's the difference between you and me I guess. I don't wait for anything from BSPN or NFL. Those guys probably don't believe half the crap they are told to say anyways so it doesn't really matter.

Rick Sanford 25 said:

3-1 head to head in AFC Championship games....

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lol this is the one stat that manning ballwasher will cling to.

Not Brady's fault manning choked and had one and dones in '07, '12 and '14 because Brady would have beat him those 3 years..

NashuaPats said:

Peyton has choked many times in the playoffs. That has nothing to do with who was coaching him.

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Is that right? Did he choke or was he just up against a superior team? Did Brady choke this year against the Broncos? because he had very Manning-in-the-playoffs numbers. Manning has looked just fine when he has gone up against mediocre defenses.

Look, I'll take Brady. Anecdotally, I believe he is less likely to throw a pick in a big spot. However, Brady has thrown many bad picks in the playoffs as well, and I think their playoff statistics are similar, so it is hard to say Manning would not have done better record-wise if he had been a Patriot.

Rick Sanford 25 said:

3-1 head to head in AFC Championship games....

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Wait a sec.....let me check
3-2 head to head in the playoffs(Peyton v. Brady) = Peyton
11-6 all time(Brady v. Peyton) = Brady
4-2 in SB (Brady) v. 2-2 in SB (Peyton) = Brady
22-9 in playoffs(Brady) v. 14-13 in playoffs(Peyton) = Brady
3xSB MVP (Brady) v. 1XSB MVP (Peyton) = Brady
56TD-28INT (Brady) v. 40TD-25INT Peyton = Brady
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Nope...still BRADY>MANNING

I don't have to hate on Manning winning any longer, he's done, Brady won.

If you can look at everything rings + numbers + longevity Peyton deserves his spot in the top 5, behind Brady and Montana.

letekro said:

Comparing Brady to Manning now is ridiculous. Manning is damaged goods. He has a crippling nerve injury. Good for him that he made a handful of plays last night and didn't outright lose the game. That's about the best he can do, and that's why he will retire during the offseason. But, during their primes, Manning was scary. If he had Pats defenses and BB who is to say he wouldn't have more rings?

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Who's to say he wouldn't have thrown those early '01/'03/'04 playoff games away with stupid interceptions and underwhelming performances? You know, like he did do for Indy?

Indy's defense wasn't always great, but it didn't suck the whole time PM played there...several high-ranked D's in terms of either points or yards allowed. In the same token, NE's defense hasn't always been great, but it certainly hasn't sucked the entire time TB has played here. It's a myth, or at least and outdated theory, that their experiences vis-a-vis high-level defenses backing them up have been markedly different. In reverse, perhaps - Peyton's best D's have come towards end of his career, Tom's at beginning...so far.

NashuaPats said:

Peyton has choked many times in the playoffs. That has nothing to do with who was coaching him.

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Correct. And I don't want to hear all season long how Manning is "like a coach out there" and "basically the offensive coordinator" and "how amazing a mind does he have"...only to have all the blame fall on his coaches if he loses. "If he had BB he'd win more...", well maybe if BB had Peyton, he'd lose more.

letekro said:

Is that right? Did he choke or was he just up against a superior team? Did Brady choke this year against the Broncos? because he had very Manning-in-the-playoffs numbers. Manning has looked just fine when he has gone up against mediocre defenses.

Look, I'll take Brady. Anecdotally, I believe he is less likely to throw a pick in a big spot. However, Brady has thrown many bad picks in the playoffs as well, and I think their playoff statistics are similar, so it is hard to say Manning would not have done better record-wise if he had been a Patriot.

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Yes, that is right. I could point out some of the games, but that will take too much effort. Both QBs have won a ton of regular season games, but one has a substantially better record in the playoffs. To even suggest Brady choked against Denver is ridiculous. He took more hits than any QB in any game in nearly ten years and yet there he was gutting out a TD drive that nearly tied it up at the end of the game. Brady has thrown his share of bad interceptions, but he has always had the poise to keep fighting. Manning has let many games get away from him.

letekro said:

Is that right? Did he choke or was he just up against a superior team? Did Brady choke this year against the Broncos? because he had very Manning-in-the-playoffs numbers. Manning has looked just fine when he has gone up against mediocre defenses.

Look, I'll take Brady. Anecdotally, I believe he is less likely to throw a pick in a big spot. However, Brady has thrown many bad picks in the playoffs as well, and I think their playoff statistics are similar, so it is hard to say Manning would not have done better record-wise if he had been a Patriot.

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Here is the thing about manning's losses. He was carrying a record setting offense most of the time with all these HOF WRs and every time people said , he has no defense. And every of his one and done's his defense has played well to give him a chance and he has **** the bed. Brady had the lead in 2 SBs, and almost tied the game this AFCCG . the last AFCCG , brady had edelman only. Its one of the case where straight stats dont tell the whole story. Brady's playoff losses at home other than jet loss were mostly because we were not the better team .Manning scored 3 freaking pts vs hank poteat and company after hearing all week how BB is panicked so much that he has sprinklers going on to wet the field to slow down manning.

SVN said:

Here is the thing about manning's losses. He was carrying a record setting offense most of the time with all these HOF WRs and every time people said , he has no defense. And every of his one and done's his defense has played well to give him a chance and he has **** the bed. Brady had the lead in 2 SBs, and almost tied the game this AFCCG . the last AFCCG , brady had edelman only. Its one of the case where straight stats dont tell the whole story. Brady's playoff losses at home other than jet loss were mostly because we were not the better team .Manning scored 3 freaking pts vs hank poteat and company after hearing all week how BB is panicked so much that he has sprinklers going on to wet the field to slow down manning.

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These are some good points and I would take Brady, but 2003 and 2004 the Patriots were just flat out a much better team than the Colts. Just like the Broncos were better this year. I don't understand your point that Manning should be penalized for not coming through with record setting offenses. How does that not apply equally to Brady in 2007 and 2010? Brady shredded the Jaguars and looked very mediocre indeed against the Chargers and Giants in 07, and against the Jets in 2010. Although not perfect, the only somewhat reliable objective way to isolate their play is to look at their individual stats, and they are similar: Brady 56 TDs, 28 Ints, 88.0 PER; Manning 40 TDs, 25 Ints, 87.4 PER. Small edge to Brady, and I think, overall, small edge to Brady. It's not the landslide some here make it out to be.

letekro said:

These are some good points and I would take Brady, but 2003 and 2004 the Patriots were just flat out a much better team than the Colts. Just like the Broncos were better this year. I don't understand your point that Manning should be penalized for not coming through with record setting offenses. How does that not apply equally to Brady in 2007 and 2010? Brady shredded the Jaguars and looked very mediocre indeed against the Chargers and Giants in 07, and against the Jets in 2010. Although not perfect, the only somewhat reliable objective way to isolate their play is to look at their individual stats, and they are similar: Brady 56 TDs, 28 Ints, 88.0 PER; Manning 40 TDs, 25 Ints, 87.4 PER. Small edge to Brady, and I think, overall, small edge to Brady. It's not the landslide some here make it out to be.

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22-9 vs. 14-13 is a landslide. Look how each performed against Seattle. Peyton struggled early and fell apart while Brady led two fourth quarter TD drives.

Other than a couple of years, Manning always had the superior weapons on offense. That has certainly aided his passing stats. Belichick has largely had the opinion that he has an all time great QB on offense so he doesn't have to invest heavily in WRs and could spend elsewhere.

letekro said:

These are some good points and I would take Brady, but 2003 and 2004 the Patriots were just flat out a much better team than the Colts. Just like the Broncos were better this year. I don't understand your point that Manning should be penalized for not coming through with record setting offenses. How does that not apply equally to Brady in 2007 and 2010? Brady shredded the Jaguars and looked very mediocre indeed against the Chargers and Giants in 07, and against the Jets in 2010. Although not perfect, the only somewhat reliable objective way to isolate their play is to look at their individual stats, and they are similar: Brady 56 TDs, 28 Ints, 88.0 PER; Manning 40 TDs, 25 Ints, 87.4 PER. Small edge to Brady, and I think, overall, small edge to Brady. It's not the landslide some here make it out to be.

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if you see brady in 2007 ,he actually got them the lead in the superbowl compared with manning with record setting offenses which didnt even get up for the games he lost. And offensively ,what both had is no comparison . Reche caldwell vs chargers was our main guy. 2010 is the most frustrating of brady's game but nowhere has his losses when having a better offensive team and weapons have been as one sided as manning has been. I mean manning lost to the colts at home last year.

Peyton Manning has been the "weekend at bernies" qb of his two SB wins. Literally dragged through the game by his defense. There is no argument to be had for that guy....

SVN said:

if you see brady in 2007 ,he actually got them the lead in the superbowl compared with manning with record setting offenses which didnt even get up for the games he lost. And offensively ,what both had is no comparison . Reche caldwell vs chargers was our main guy. 2010 is the most frustrating of brady's game but nowhere has his losses when having a better offensive team and weapons have been as one sided as manning has been. I mean manning lost to the colts at home last year.

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Moss and Welker were our main guys against the Chargers in 07, not Caldwell. Brady threw 3 picks and it was Maroney and Seau that saved our bacon. Your point about having the lead is just irrelevant. Manning had the lead for almost the whole game against the Saints. Why is this relevant? Brady threw a horrific interception in SB 46 and took a devastating safety. You just remember it less than Manning's pick 6 because it didn't come at the end of the game, but they were still damaging plays. As far weapons, that has evened out somewhat. I think people are remembering the early-mid 2000s Colts, but since 2007 the weapons have been comparable. Again, Brady is my pick. He is just made of tougher stuff, I think, but Manning is great too.

NashuaPats said:

22-9 vs. 14-13 is a landslide. Look how each performed against Seattle. Peyton struggled early and fell apart while Brady led two fourth quarter TD drives.

Other than a couple of years, Manning always had the superior weapons on offense. That has certainly aided his passing stats. Belichick has largely had the opinion that he has an all time great QB on offense so he doesn't have to invest heavily in WRs and could spend elsewhere.

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LOL at picking one common opponent as the barometer over 16 year careers. double LOL at looking at their W-L record as determinative. Did you not see the game last night??? If that did not prove to you that teams win games and championships and not quarterbacks, I don't know what will. The won loss record is a data point, it is not the whole story. IMO, the whole story favors brady, because they are now in a virtual dead statistical heat, but Brady has the better record and IMO passes the eye test as the better player.

EatSleepWinRepeat said:

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These are the types of "experts" that are calling him GOAT now. Talentless former boy band members.

We've got nothing to worry about.

EatSleepWinRepeat said:

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Timberlake is an idiot.