Pats Dante Scarnecchia returns as OL Coach

To give a possible answer to @luuked's question: they likely see Daboll as JMcD's successor, and that may have guided their thinking.

luuked said:

Read my post.

He first had Daboll shadow Dante for an entire year, then when Goodsey left he suddenly made him TE coach despite being around Scar and the OL for over a year. Then he decided to hire outside but didn't give the coach he hired enough power and control to actually make decisions and built the kind of OL that he wanted. Googe was obviously the wrong person to coach "Scar" type players and yet we drafted even more of those prototypic players.

Like I said.. either stay true to the "Scar" philosophy of OL players and find a coach who can do exactly that or hire outside and go all in on what the new coach wants to do. There are no half measures.

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Lol how do you even know any of this to be true? It's a fun theory though.

You mean OL coach right

Bringing back Scar would be the biggest signing of the off-season for the Pats. Huge pickup if he comes back.

VrabelJr said:

Lol how do you even know any of this to be true? It's a fun theory though.

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The Daboll stuff you see in the Reiss ESPN piece that was posted. The Googe stuff was posted by various beat reporters and a guy who worked with Googe's cousin (?) after the Denver game and was discussed extensively in many threads in this forum.

ctpatsfan77 said:

To give a possible answer to @luuked's question: they likely see Daboll as JMcD's successor, and that may have guided their thinking.

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That and there aren't any OL coaches out there that they thought would be as good as Scar.

yeah..of course I meant O line coach...guess it's a Freudian slip type of thing. I admit, McD bugs the shyt out of me sometimes.

Unless the picks come back, my new head canon is they traded them for Scar. Just for sanity sake.

He legitimately makes the entire offense better by virtue of his skills as a line coach.

ctpatsfan77 said:

To give a possible answer to @luuked's question: they likely see Daboll as JMcD's successor, and that may have guided their thinking.

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I understand that but it still makes no sense to me. Daboll had a year of experience with all OL players and intimate view on how Dante dealt with them and coached them up. They threw away an entire year of experience. And not only that but then they hire someone who is just not equipped to deal with Dante's projects ? Devey was a Scar project.. Cannon was playing good in 2013 when Vollmer went down and I still remember Scar being excited about him in that preseason TC. Since then he regressed severely.

This entire cluster**** was mismanaged at some point.

It leaves me wondering about what was going on for Scar when he initially retired. Did he just need a year off, and discovered that he missed the game too much to "retire?"

While I welcome him back with open arms, I've seen too many of these "bring back the old retired guys when things are going wrong" in the corporate world to be entirely comfortable with it.

betterthanthealternative said:

It leaves me wondering about what was going on for Scar when he initially retired. Did he just need a year off, and discovered that he missed the game too much to "retire?"

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To be fair, Scarnecchia was never truly retired in a sense that he completely left the game, if you consider the reports of how he scouted O-linemen and conducted workouts etc.

luuked said:

The Daboll stuff you see in the Reiss ESPN piece that was posted. The Googe stuff was posted by various beat reporters and a guy who worked with Googe's cousin (?) after the Denver game and was discussed extensively in many threads in this forum.

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That'd be me, and everything I've heard seems to be true.

luuked said:

I understand that but it still makes no sense to me. Daboll had a year of experience with all OL players and intimate view on how Dante dealt with them and coached them up. They threw away an entire year of experience. And not only that but then they hire someone who is just not equipped to deal with Dante's projects ? Devey was a Scar project.. Cannon was playing good in 2013 when Vollmer went down and I still remember Scar being excited about him in that preseason TC. Since then he regressed severely.

This entire cluster**** was mismanaged at some point.

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There it is right there if Scar can take Canon and co and improve on their play then we are ahead.
Would be great to not have to invest so heavily in the O line and have Scar coach our guys up.
That way runningback,Receiver,Tightend, defensive line can be the focus.
Adding a stud like Joe Thomas would be extraordinary but if they feel our guys can be better with coaching well I guess thats being optimistic.

I'd pay top dollar to hear Scar's comments with regards to what was wrong and what he would have done differently this past season.

ctpatsfan77 said:

For all we know, he's still getting up at oh dark hundred.

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Yeah, maybe. I don't know the guy, obviously. If he does come back, I just hope there's a coach he could start to mentor or something, so all this great Oline magic isn't just in Dante's noggin.

dannydyn said:

I'd pay top dollar to hear Scar's comments with regards to what was wrong and what he would have done differently this past season.

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Quite honestly I just think it came down to Googe being the wrong guy to develop the kind of players we had assembled at OL.

Last year's OL gelled well enough together when we settled on a combination of players that played together for a while + Stork at center. When we lost Connolly and Wendell this year the OL never really came together. And nothing good can come out of a situation where you have players that are not confident at what they are doing and also don't fully trust that the player next to them will do the right thing.

The sad story of Jordan Devey fits very well into all of that. He seemed similarly clueless at his attempts to play guard last year as Fleming and Cannon were this year. There is an eerie similarity between the completely incompetence those players displayed.

Lets worry about a mentor later lets just enjoy Scar back!

Best Oline coach in the league. And that is widely accepted as a fact throughout the NFL

This is necessary. Googs had a lot of injury problems and shuffling to deal with but he also simply wasn't a good coach. Pleased to hear Dante may be back.

Can anyone tell me if we should see a huge jump in the second year performance of tre Jackson and shaq mason?

Temporary band-aid. Don't get me wrong, great band-aid, but the guy wants to retire I don't know how it'd work, but him as part-time Senior o-line coach and an assistant Jr. O-line coach - maybe a minor step up from quality control. You know, get's Dante's coffee and gets groomed as the successor.