Kessler questions league’s decision not to release PSI data

NashuaPats · Feb 6, 2016

VectorPrime said:
I still think that's its possible that there was an understanding between Jast and McNally that if the refs didn't follow Brady's instructions and pumped the balls higher than 12.5 that they would themselves bring it down to 12.5 afterwards. Explains the text messages and why Brady was so pissed off that the refs kept screwing him by giving him over inflated balls. The fact that Brady himself took the page of the rulebook to the refs because they kept over inflating the balls may have convinced him that if he wanted to actually get the balls the way he legally wanted he'd have to have his own guys make sure they're right. All Brady had to do was at some point say "Jast, just make sure I get the damn balls at 12.5" and because no one before deflate gate gave a f.uck about PSI they did what they needed to do.

But that's just a theory, I wouldn't bet on it or anything. Either way Brady did absolutely nothing wrong.

I don't buy that theory. Up until the Jets game in October when the balls were overinflated by the refs to 16, Jastremski had been filling the balls to 12.9 as he explained to Wells. That's confirmed by the text messages when he writes the balls should have been 13. It was a couple days after that game when he had a conversation with Brady about the rules regarding air pressure and they changed their procedures to 12.5. Brady did not know the rules prior to that which is confirmed by a text message sent by Jastremski.

Remember that all the "suspicious" text messages came before or the day of the Jets game. The idea that they were tampering with the balls when Jastremski was filling them to 12.9 and Brady did not know the rules does not make sense.

RayClay · Feb 6, 2016

NashuaPats said:
I still don't like the references to the "troubling" text messages. Florio has been pretty good, but he is still a sucker to the text messages. I've said it before and I will say it again, it is not difficult to cherry pick from a year's worth of text messages of a guy who prepares footballs for a living to tell a story about football preparation.

Needs to be said again and again. The mind searches for patterns. Among jokes, nicknames and catch phrases, you could find anything you wanted to find in any abbreviated text conversations if you searched enough of them.

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RayClay · Feb 6, 2016

QuantumMechanic said:
The only one of the text messages that struck me as remotely incriminating was the (paraphrasing) "Brady better get me my stuff or else his passer rating will be the only thing deflating on Sunday" one.

Wasn't that where he was threatening to blow it up like a balloon?

DarrylS · Feb 6, 2016

If Brady chooses to sue the NFL I believe he can depose Goodell and ask for this information??

Not sure he will do so, but in light of the presumption of innocence of Manning and the assumption of guilt for Brady it might prove interesting. It amazes me to see how little of Manning info. has been leaked by the NFL offices, compare to the series of leaks about Brady..

NashuaPats · Feb 6, 2016

RayClay said:
Wasn't that where he was threatening to blow it up like a balloon?

I believe it was. If there was a ball tampering scheme in place, McNally's responses were not at all what you would expect. If he responsible for deflaing the balls below regulation then the text from Jastremski would be accusing him of not doing his job. His response would have been along the lines of "I'm sorry", I screwed up, I don't know what happened, it's not my fault, I did what I was supposed to, the refs screwed us, or I didn't notice the balls were overinflated. He would have apologized or defended himself, but there were no texts from him like that at all. He just made jokes making fun of Brady to put his buddy at ease. An honest investigator would have found those texts to be a sign of innocence, but Wells was not honest. He had an agenda and manipulated his audience by pointing out what to pay attention to while glossing over the more meaningful texts and more logical interpretations.

Lansdowne · Feb 6, 2016

XLIX said:
I don't understand why the union isn't making anything of this. They should be the ones calling for the release of the data.

The NFLPA may be the weakest union in American sports. I'm having a tough time thinking of anyone worse.

RobertWeathers · Feb 6, 2016

RayClay said:
Wasn't that where he was threatening to blow it up like a balloon?

Yes

RobertWeathers · Feb 6, 2016

RayClay said:
Needs to be said again and again. The mind searches for patterns. Among jokes, nicknames and catch phrases, you could find anything you wanted to find in any abbreviated text conversations if you searched enough of them.

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XLIX · Feb 7, 2016

BoTown said:
The NFLPA may be the weakest union in American sports. I'm having a tough time thinking of anyone worse.

Yes, I know the union is a bunch of impotent buffoons, but one of their own has been accused of a violation and had been given a severe punishment which the NFL is still pursuing.

If evidence exists which could potentially exonerate their union member, they should be crying for it at the top of their lungs. They would have no legal right to it, but it sure couldn't hurt - and maybe even a couple 2nd Circuit Appeals Judges watch SportsCenter every now and then. We all know that technically the merits of the NFL's case are irrelevant, but a judge will think what he/she thinks.

reflexblue · Feb 7, 2016

robertweathers said:
Thats like The Predator showing up to fight a bunch of skateboard rats with plastic knives

you have a very good imagination..."the predator showing up to fight a bunch of skateboard rats with plastic knives".... I like the imagery,

zipster9 · Feb 7, 2016

"God"ell stands by 100% of the Wells report.

Nuff said.

RobertWeathers · Feb 7, 2016

reflexblue said:
you have a very good imagination..."the predator showing up to fight a bunch of skateboard rats with plastic knives".... I like the imagery,

I think Predator v Alien was on TV was on a couple of days ago and I think I drove by a skateboard park recently.

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 7, 2016

Simple logic at work here:

1.) Jeffrey Kessler is a very smart lawyer.

2.) Very smart lawyers NEVER ask a question related to their clients, in public or in the courtroom, to which they do not already know the answer.

3.) Therefore, Kessler knows that a release of the PSI data will help his clients.

Kessler would never do something like this based on his "gut" or "intuition." He must have real information from an inside source or else my hypothesis in 1.) above is wrong...and, it isn't wrong.

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 7, 2016

flasox27 said:
There certainly will be no leaks on the results of these tests. ...

I think the fact that Kessler has even made this statement suggests that there has been a leak. See my post immediately above.

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 7, 2016

XLIX said:
I don't understand why the union isn't making anything of this. They should be the ones calling for the release of the data.

Kessler is the Union's lawyer. He is the right one to be making this request.

XLIX · Feb 7, 2016

PatsFanSince74 said:
Kessler is the Union's lawyer. He is the right one to be making this request.

The lawyer should be filing the paperwork and arguing in court. The Director and face of the NFLPA, DeMaurice Smith, should be the one out there making public statements - often and loudly - and generating news headlines.

BlueThunder · Feb 7, 2016

Why do I get the feeling Smith is a bozo ?

Big Bucks · Feb 7, 2016

Whenever I read his name, my thoughts are to think of Alfonso Ribeiro dancing.

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 7, 2016

XLIX said:
The lawyer should be filing the paperwork and arguing in court. The Director and face of the NFLPA, DeMaurice Smith, should be the one out there making public statements - often and loudly - and generating news headlines.

This was pure theatrics on Kessler's part. There's no paperwork to file. He's just tweaking the NFL, in a low key manner, based, we presume, on some reliable information that he has received.

As for the Union, they're in the middle of fighting the NFL's Appeal. There will be time for news and headlines after it is resolved. If anything, the Union wants to make as few headlines as possible, especially until we know who the Judges are.

Whether we like it or not, the "facts" have little or nothing to do with the Appeal. The Appeal is about whether the CBA gave Goodell the right to do what he do, whatever the facts might have been.

Once the Appeal is rejected, Kessler and the NFLPA can pull out all the stops, exposing the entire fraud. Until then, the risk of agitating one or more of the Appeals judges outweighs making much noise.

XLIX · Feb 7, 2016

PatsFanSince74 said:
This was pure theatrics on Kessler's part. There's no paperwork to file. He's just tweaking the NFL, in a low key manner, based, we presume, on some reliable information that he has received.

That's my point. It shouldn't be the hired hand tweaking in a low key manner. It should be the highest levels of the Association tweaking the NFL in a very high key manner.

PatsFanSince74 said:
As for the Union, they're in the middle of fighting the NFL's Appeal. There will be time for news and headlines after it is resolved. If anything, the Union wants to make as few headlines as possible, especially until we know who the Judges are.

If there are data out there exonerating their member, they should want to make that known as loudly and widely as possible and as soon as possible.

PatsFanSince74 said:
Whether we like it or not, the "facts" have little or nothing to do with the Appeal. The Appeal is about whether the CBA gave Goodell the right to do what he do, whatever the facts might have been.

The same statement was true of the original "Motion to Uphold" filing before Judge Berman, but that didn't stop him from attacking the illegitimacy of the actual evidence against Brady. Berman asked the NFL about their evidence against Brady and openly stated that he was "having trouble finding any."

PatsFanSince74 said:
Once the Appeal is rejected, Kessler and the NFLPA can pull out all the stops, exposing the entire fraud. Until then, the risk of agitating one or more of the Appeals judges outweighs making much noise.

Gimme a break. DeMaurice Smith is not going to "agitate an appeals judge" by demanding that evidence which potentially exonerates a union member gets released. If anything, an appeals judge watching SportsCenter will say "that's a good point...."

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