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Potential Patriots: RB Matt Forte (UFA)


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I don't think people here get it. We get another RB to SHARE snaps with Lewis, not to completely take over the run game and leave third downs to Lewis. Lewis is an excellent runner but given his size he cannot take the full workload of an every down back, which is why we need another RB to complement Lewis. We don't need to worry about Forte's age because ideally he would get 10-17 snaps a game and Lewis takes the rest. Then we keep White and SJax as backup RBs (Blount won't accept that role so he's gone 100%).

With these four RBs we'd have a bit of everything. Forte is good at everything, Lewis is the elusive RB, SJax the power RB and White the passing RB.

I'd take Forte at anything below $4 million cap hit.
 
I don't think people here get it. We get another RB to SHARE snaps with Lewis, not to completely take over the run game and leave third downs to Lewis. Lewis is an excellent runner but given his size he cannot take the full workload of an every down back, which is why we need another RB to complement Lewis. We don't need to worry about Forte's age because ideally he would get 10-17 snaps a game and Lewis takes the rest. Then we keep White and SJax as backup RBs (Blount won't accept that role so he's gone 100%).

With these four RBs we'd have a bit of everything. Forte is good at everything, Lewis is the elusive RB, SJax the power RB and White the passing RB.

I'd take Forte at anything below $4 million cap hit.

Even better. Keep both refreshed. Both can run & catch. This would make the opponent honest.
I mean in the Broncos game, they knew when Jackson comes in, its a run.
 
I don't think people here get it. We get another RB to SHARE snaps with Lewis, not to completely take over the run game and leave third downs to Lewis. Lewis is an excellent runner but given his size he cannot take the full workload of an every down back, which is why we need another RB to complement Lewis. We don't need to worry about Forte's age because ideally he would get 10-17 snaps a game and Lewis takes the rest. Then we keep White and SJax as backup RBs (Blount won't accept that role so he's gone 100%).

With these four RBs we'd have a bit of everything. Forte is good at everything, Lewis is the elusive RB, SJax the power RB and White the passing RB.

I'd take Forte at anything below $4 million cap hit.
I would probably keep Develin as the "power back" since he can also be used as a fullback and TE, and thus wouldn't have any need for Jackson. But I agree with what you're saying otherwise.
 
Gore was almost 2 years older than Forte and it was obvious. Gore was also never the receiving back Forte outs. The Gore analogy is a poor one imo.

What is obvious? Age is important but so is production and overall health. He had an MCL injury last year, put separate knee and back issues which landed him on the injury report. Teams look at that regardless of age. Seeing that he is 30 and 2k career carries, they will scrutinize over that even more so.

As far as receiving, both are products of the offensive system. When Alex Smith was Qb w/ SF he was pretty much a 50+ catch a year guy. Forte had similar numbers his first 5 years.

Same thing goes for Forte. When pass-happy Trestman took over HC he ran the West Coast offense which has the RB as the #2 option. Throw Gore in that system I'd project that he'd also be around a ~60-70 catch guy.
 
Blount
Lewis
White
Bolden

to potentially something like:

Forte
Lewis
K Taylor (3rd rd. rookie)
White? Bolden?

Would be a huge upgrade. Having three RBs who can run and catch would be a big help.
 
Im on record as wanting Chris Ivory standing by that Ivory is a upgrade over Blount unless Blount was playing with a undisclosed injury.
Matt Forte to me is redundant with White And Lewis unless you believe he can get the 3rd and 3 like Ivory could.
 
Matt Forte to me is redundant with White

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I would give Forte 16 for 3 with 12 guaranteed and I think, it would be money very well spent and do, Moyer footer their OL than any OL ever could.

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You're very quick to throw the "sucks" tag on players. I wonder how you felt about Hightower early in his career here before he blossomed.

I disagree with your assessments on Michael and Coleman. I Didn't see any of Gordon as he is on West coast.

I don't think a veteran running back is as key as you suggest. A running back is only going to be as good as his offensive line. The Pats' offensive line is too finesse these days. Their mindset is not to come out and physically dominate teams, blowing people off the ball. They don't have anyone on that line, IMO, that is in the Logan Mankins type of mold. They want more athletic guys who are better pass protectors because Brady is in the shotgun a majority of the time. That's why they've got former TE's Solder and Vollmer.

So improving the running game in my estimation is more about teaching, coaching, and promoting a more physical mindset on offense. I think you also have to look at getting more physically dominating guards and centers rather than focusing on the finesse types.


To me, the patriots have essentially become what the Colts were on offense with Manning. Heavily reliant on the pass, finesse offensive line, great home team, struggle to beat good teams with good defenses on the road. I hate it. They are no longer a physical offense.

An upgrade at RB would be nice, no doubt. But some of the names you're throwing out there? I am not as high on those guys as you are.

Matt Forte has looked like a shell of himself when I've seen him play. Maybe he was just nicked up. But 30 year old running backs don't get better, they get worse and eventually fall off a cliff.

Chris Ivory? I'd rather have Brandon Bolden. Chris Ivory usually has one big 35 yard rush per game and the rest of his carries all go for 2 or 3 yards. He's physical but he has terrible vision. He's the definition of a JAG.

Lamar Miller? He's the guy who's going to get you the tough yards between the tackles against physical defenses? I don't see him as that type of player. More like a change of pace big play threat.

I have zero interest in Doug Martin. Good rookie year, disappears for two years, has a good contract year. Already 27 years old. No thanks. Feels like the type of guy you go out and give a big deal and you immediately regret it.

If that's the best that's out there in FA, I'd honestly rather just stick with Bolden and White. Bring in a mid to late round RB in the draft. Chase a guard or a center in free agency if there's a good fit. I'd rather go after a guy like Mike Iupati (free agent last year) or Alex Mack if he opts out for $7-$8 million a year than give one of these overrated RB's $4-5 million per year.

A physical guard or center would upgrade our running game more than signing a RB would.

I dont agree with us having a finesse OL. I wouldnt call Stork, Jackson or even Mason as finesse guys.

Listen, if you dont want to invest big money into a RB, I dont necessarily disagree with that. Id prefer going the draft route myself, but i do believe Forte could thrive in this offense. If he was to take a deal that pays something along the lines of $4M per season. Sign me up!
 
My point is, how many 30+ year old running back additions turn out to be "good" signings?

You look at a lot of these guys that have been the main ball carriers getting 250-300 carries a year and their bodies just don't hold up long once they get around 30.

Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, LT, Shaun Alexander, Jamal Lewis, Larry Johnson, Eddie George, etc.

You saw it here first hand with Corey Dillon.

With the way most teams use committees now, you see guys lasting a little longer these days. And you're always going to have the Adrian Peterson freaks of nature.

But Forte has been one of these guys ridden into the ground over the last 8 years getting 250-300 carries and 40-50 catches per year. That wears on the body. And you can see it when he plays. He is not the same player he was 5 years ago.

I'm not prepared to go out and throw a decent chunk of change on a guy whose best years are behind him. If he wants to sign a cheaper one year deal to chase a Super Bowl, I'm okay with that. But some of the salary suggestions I've seen thrown around for an aging back are too expensive for my liking.

Personally, I'd rather draft/sign a younger guy and commit to him longer term. Find a guy you like in the middle rounds of the draft, bring him in, and commit to him. Kind of like they did with Ridley and Vereen. Spend some draft capital in round 3 on a starting RB rather than taking special teamers like Duron Harmon.
Id like to find a ridley type in the draft too but there arent many good running backs in the middle rounds of the draft.
 
White yes, Blount no way

I believe you can use White at WR. He is bigger than JE and DA. Let him do the whole route tree in Camp.

He would be like Randall Cobb in GB. He had better Three Cones than Cobb.

Jamison Crowder is an up and coming WR for the Redskins. White has better skill numbers and size.

Three words: Brady Trusts Him

He would also save a roster spot by emergency RB?
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I'd rather have Lamar Miller ... younger at 24 years old. Has one of the best YPC in the league and was misused in Miami. Lamar is not a top tier RB but he's in the next category which is good enough. He can run and catch and has decent size at 225lbs and speed 4.4 forty time. I think he would cost at least 2 million a year. If Belichick could get him on a 3 year with an option for a 2.0 or 2.5 million average I would do it. Give him 3 years guaranteed to entice him.

If we can sign him then perhaps we could trade James White for a draft pick which we need.

Lewis - 1.3 million
Miller - 2.5 million
Develin - 750,000 ?
Bolden - 1.27 million
Rookie or James White -

Just above 6 million which is 1/2 million higher than 2015.
 
I'd rather have Lamar Miller ... younger at 24 years old. Has one of the best YPC in the league and was misused in Miami. Lamar is not a top tier RB but he's in the next category which is good enough. He can run and catch and has decent size at 225lbs and speed 4.4 forty time. I think he would cost at least 2 million a year. If Belichick could get him on a 3 year with an option for a 2.0 or 2.5 million average I would do it. Give him 3 years guaranteed to entice him.

If we can sign him then perhaps we could trade James White for a draft pick which we need.

Lewis - 1.3 million
Miller - 2.5 million
Develin - 750,000 ?
Bolden - 1.27 million
Rookie or James White -

Just above 6 million which is 1/2 million higher than 2015.

Now you're talking...But I think that Miller gets twice that.
 
Id like to find a ridley type in the draft too but there arent many good running backs in the middle rounds of the draft.

There are always good HalfBacks in the Middle Rounds...and far beyond.
 
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