OT - Hall of Fame Watch (Marvin Harrison IN, T.O. OUT)

anditsgood · Feb 6, 2016

Froob said:
Postseason touchdowns:
Danny Amendola 3
Marvin Harrison 2

in all fairness, Harrison had the biggest playoff choke artist throwing him the ball for most of his career

there was a time when Peypey could not win a playoff game

JMC00 · Feb 6, 2016

Dungy is not a HOF coach... He left Tampa and Gruden came in and in his first year won a SB with Dungy's team. 9-10 post season record. He got in because he's been a member of the media for almost 10 years. Probably sucked up to enough voters.

Also slightly OT but I just don't get Kurt Warner as a Hall of Famer and this has nothing to do with being vindictive because of his continued shots at the Pats

He had 4 good seasons in his 11 year career and he was benched just as many times.

Warner's lost jobs

'02' Replaced by Bulger after he got injured. Didn't get his job back until Bulger got injured.

'03 Got replaced by Marc Bulger after the 1st game, Rams went on to got the #2 seed

'04 Rookie Eli Manning replaced him after week 10

'05 Josh McCown replaced him after Week 3

'06 Rookie Matt Leinart replaced him after Week 3

So twice he lost his job to career journeymen and twice he lost his job to rookies, rookies that were suppose to sit for the year or until the team started to suck..

Not to mention he started '07 as the backup to Leinart.

Froob · Feb 6, 2016

Tony2046 said:
Ken Stabler got in after he died. Such BS. If he was worthy now why wan't he worthy then. Dude can't even get the chance to enjoy the moment.

I can understand Dungy getting in. I might get railroaded for this but IMO he helped turn the Bucs into a powerhouse franchise after being a joke for most of their existence. He set a record in playoff appearances for a coach etc... so for him there is at least an argument.

He's really a good coach but, he was not a legendary one. Absurd selection.

Froob · Feb 6, 2016

anditsgood said:
in all fairness, Harrison had the biggest playoff choke artist throwing him the ball for most of his career

there was a time when Peypey could not win a playoff game

Yeah but, Wayne didn't play anywhere near as bad as Marvin.

Rob0729 · Feb 6, 2016

Will Eddie DeBartalo go into the Hall under his own name or under Prisoner #584397?

(Note: I know he avoided jail time, but he is a convicted felon).

fnordcircle · Feb 6, 2016

I'd bet good money that 50% of NFL fans don't know about Harrison's murder and think Owens is a piece of **** by comparison.

Apparently if you're going to be a huge fraud or **** up Indiana is the state in which to do so.

Patriot Missile · Feb 6, 2016

Don't know why Andre Reed and Tim Brown had to wait so long? This voting is a joke just like the NFL.

As much as a headcase TO has been, his career numbers are astounding. Not to mention the way he almost single handedly put the Eagles on his back in sb39 playing with a severe injury. If I had to choose 1 player for 1 game between the 2 it would be TO all the way. Blows me away that Harrison beat out Owens.

And why they chose to wait until Stabler passed away is beyond me as well.

Froob · Feb 6, 2016

fnordcircle said:
I'd bet good money that 50% of NFL fans don't know about Harrison's murder and think Owens is a piece of **** by comparison.

Apparently if you're going to be a huge fraud or **** up Indiana is the state in which to do so.

I don't understanding why people would want to dock a guy points for something he did off the field that wasn't detrimental for the team. Wouldnt hold that against Marvin. I think TO definitely loses points for being a cancer but, he was just soo good and had a bunch of huge playoff games that it's a no brainer over Marvin.

Tony2046 · Feb 6, 2016

Froob said:
He's really a good coach but, he was not a legendary one. Absurd selection.

Well it is a tough list to compare him to. Absurd is a bit harsh I would agree with borderline.

George Allen 1966-1977
Paul Brown 1946-1962
Guy Chamberlin # 1922-1927
Jimmy Conzelman # 1921-30, 1940-42, 1946-48
Tony Dungy 1996-2008
Weeb Ewbank 1954-1973
Ray Flaherty # 1936-1949
Joe Gibbs 1981-1992
Sid Gillman 1955-1969, 1971-1974
Bud Grant 1967-1983, 1985
George Halas # 1920-29, 1933-42, 1946-67
Earl (Curly) Lambeau # 1919-1953
Tom Landry 1960-1988
Marv Levy 1978-1982, 1986-1997
Vince Lombardi 1959-1967, 1969
John Madden 1969-1978
Earle (Greasy) Neale 1941-1950
Chuck Noll 1969-1991
Steve Owen # 1930-1953
Bill Parcells 1983-1990, 1993-99, 2003-06
Don Shula 1963-1995
Hank Stram 1960-1974, 1976-1977
Bill Walsh 1979-1988
George Allen 1966-1977
Paul Brown 1946-1962
Guy Chamberlin # 1922-1927
Jimmy Conzelman # 1921-30, 1940-42, 1946-48
Tony Dungy 1996-2008
Weeb Ewbank 1954-1973
Ray Flaherty # 1936-1949
Joe Gibbs 1981-1992
Sid Gillman 1955-1969, 1971-1974
Bud Grant 1967-1983, 1985
George Halas # 1920-29, 1933-42, 1946-67
Earl (Curly) Lambeau # 1919-1953
Tom Landry 1960-1988
Marv Levy 1978-1982, 1986-1997
Vince Lombardi 1959-1967, 1969
John Madden 1969-1978
Earle (Greasy) Neale 1941-1950
Chuck Noll 1969-1991
Steve Owen # 1930-1953
Bill Parcells 1983-1990, 1993-99, 2003-06
Don Shula 1963-1995
Hank Stram 1960-1974, 1976-1977
Bill Walsh 1979-1988

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Feb 6, 2016

Dungheap doesn't even belong in the Hall of Pretty Good.

His main claim to fame was a charmin-soft defense that wilted when attacked, leading his teams to underachieve. When he retired, his teams fans said "yeah, maybe now we can do something"

fnordcircle · Feb 6, 2016

Froob said:
I don't understanding why people would want to dock a guy points for something he did off the field that wasn't detrimental for the team.

I guess I get a little sentimental when it comes to the NFL HoF and don't want to see piece of **** murderers enshrined to be remembered through the ages.

I'm weird that way.

Koma · Feb 7, 2016

This is total paranoia, but, with Dungy and Harrison being elected to the HOF today, there's a tinfoil hat case to be made for this being a harbinger of the Broncos winning tomorrow. Manning's favorite receiver and old coach go into the HOF on Saturday, Manning wins the SB on Sunday in his last game. Early on, if it looks like Denver is the beneficiary of the Steelers-Seahawks SB level of officiating, we all know how that script will play out.

Off The Grid · Feb 7, 2016

fnordcircle said:
I'd bet good money that 50% of NFL fans don't know about Harrison's murder and think Owens is a piece of **** by comparison.

Apparently if you're going to be a huge fraud or **** up Indiana is the state in which to do so.

"Should it ever be our misfortune to kill a man ... we would simply ask that our trial may take place in some of the mining camps of these hills."

fnordcircle · Feb 7, 2016

Koma said:
This is total paranoia, but, with Dungy and Harrison being elected to the HOF today, there's a tinfoil hat case to be made for this being a harbinger of the Broncos winning tomorrow. Manning's favorite receiver and old coach go into the HOF on Saturday, Manning wins the SB on Sunday in his last game. Early on, if it looks like Denver is the beneficiary of the Steelers-Seahawks SB level of officiating, we all know how that script will play out.

IF you believe in conspiracy theories about the NFL rigging **** (I don't) then consider that the NFL stands to make zero money off of Peyton Manning going forward. I mean, at most, they'll get 1 more year out of him. Meanwhile Cam is just coming into his prime, is pretty photogenic and charismatic and the perfect candidate for some sort of 'pass the torch' SB win.

If they're gonna rig anything, they'll rig it for Cam to win.

The idea that the NFL would take the crazy risk of rigging the game (they would seriously never recover) is inane to me, but if they were actually going to do something they'd be acting out greed not sentimentality.

fnordcircle · Feb 7, 2016

Off The Grid said:
"Should it ever be our misfortune to kill a man ... we would simply ask that our trial may take place in some of the mining camps of these hills."

Gabriel's trumpet will produce you from the ass of a pig.

Off The Grid · Feb 7, 2016

fnordcircle said:
Gabriel's trumpet will produce you from the ass of a pig.

Thank you. You obviously meant that as a Compliment.

DarrylS · Feb 7, 2016

Gotta wonder if Dungy was elected into the HOF because of his media demeanor, someone, somewhere anointed him as some strange voice of reason or banner holder of all things moral.

Is it more probable than not, that Marvin Harrison's election into the NFL HOF will compromise the "integrity" of the NFL.... the NFL has turned into a steaming crock of crap.

BTW he was also implicated in another gun incident in 2010....

What will we tell the children???..

Marvin Harrison a Hall finalist; slaying victim's kin still seek answers

on April 29, 2008, Dixon got into a shouting match, then a fistfight, with Harrison outside Chuckie's Garage, a car wash owned by Harrison, according to police documents. The fight escalated into a shooting, one that left bullet holes in Dixon's car and a wound on his hand. Dixon told police that Harrison had shot him, but only after "not really telling us the truth," said a detective close to the investigation, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

An eyewitness, Robert Nixon, was also shot and injured, according to police. In his statement to police - which he began by saying that he feared for his safety in coming forward - Nixon identified Harrison as the shooter, as the only person at the scene holding a gun. Police said they matched bullet casings found at the scene to a gun registered to Harrison.

Harrison eventually gave a statement to detectives at the Central Detective Division with his attorney, Jerome Brown, present. He admitted to fighting with Dixon five to 10 minutes before the shooting. He admitted that he owned the gun that had been fired at Dixon and that he had kept it in a safe at his home in Jenkintown until "20 minutes before" the police arrived, but he said he didn't know who had fired it.

A man named Brady · Feb 7, 2016

TO not getting in is a joke but it shows you the politics of the process. Because he didn't kiss reporter ass they held it against him. This is how good not great players who are beloved by the media get in

RobertWeathers · Feb 7, 2016

Koma said:
This is total paranoia, but, with Dungy and Harrison being elected to the HOF today, there's a tinfoil hat case to be made for this being a harbinger of the Broncos winning tomorrow. Manning's favorite receiver and old coach go into the HOF on Saturday, Manning wins the SB on Sunday in his last game. Early on, if it looks like Denver is the beneficiary of the Steelers-Seahawks SB level of officiating, we all know how that script will play out.

Things do happen in 3s

RobertWeathers · Feb 7, 2016

Tony2046 said:
Well it is a tough list to compare him to. Absurd is a bit harsh I would agree with borderline.

George Allen 1966-1977
Paul Brown 1946-1962
Guy Chamberlin # 1922-1927
Jimmy Conzelman # 1921-30, 1940-42, 1946-48
Tony Dungy 1996-2008
Weeb Ewbank 1954-1973
Ray Flaherty # 1936-1949
Joe Gibbs 1981-1992
Sid Gillman 1955-1969, 1971-1974
Bud Grant 1967-1983, 1985
George Halas # 1920-29, 1933-42, 1946-67
Earl (Curly) Lambeau # 1919-1953
Tom Landry 1960-1988
Marv Levy 1978-1982, 1986-1997
Vince Lombardi 1959-1967, 1969
John Madden 1969-1978
Earle (Greasy) Neale 1941-1950
Chuck Noll 1969-1991
Steve Owen # 1930-1953
Bill Parcells 1983-1990, 1993-99, 2003-06
Don Shula 1963-1995
Hank Stram 1960-1974, 1976-1977
Bill Walsh 1979-1988
George Allen 1966-1977
Paul Brown 1946-1962
Guy Chamberlin # 1922-1927
Jimmy Conzelman # 1921-30, 1940-42, 1946-48
Tony Dungy 1996-2008
Weeb Ewbank 1954-1973
Ray Flaherty # 1936-1949
Joe Gibbs 1981-1992
Sid Gillman 1955-1969, 1971-1974
Bud Grant 1967-1983, 1985
George Halas # 1920-29, 1933-42, 1946-67
Earl (Curly) Lambeau # 1919-1953
Tom Landry 1960-1988
Marv Levy 1978-1982, 1986-1997
Vince Lombardi 1959-1967, 1969
John Madden 1969-1978
Earle (Greasy) Neale 1941-1950
Chuck Noll 1969-1991
Steve Owen # 1930-1953
Bill Parcells 1983-1990, 1993-99, 2003-06
Don Shula 1963-1995
Hank Stram 1960-1974, 1976-1977
Bill Walsh 1979-1988

I really have nothing against Dungy but when comparing him to the coaches I know on that list he ranks below all of them

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