Rep confirms that Guyer clinic sent drugs to Peytons wife !

Froob said:

Honestly I don't see how he threw his wife under the bus. Her legally or illegally taking hgh doesn't matter.

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If he had HGH shipped to his house for him to take using his wife's name then he deliberately put her in the line of fire.

PatsDeb said:

Awesome turn of a phrase on the bus!

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Thanks. I don't think anybody else noticed.

stcjones said:

Well they won't love him late Sunday night or Monday AM after he throws all those wounded ducks with at least 2 picks....and the Panthers kick his ass!

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True ... very true ...
Bronco fans are pretentiously deranged (can I put those words together?)
Manning can lose it ... but he almost surely cannot win it ... the other players will do that ... so the forums say.

The truth will come out eventually, but we have to be patient.
It took Balco years to unravel.
I think a realistic time frame is 18--36 months before Peyton is holding his tearful "

cupofjoe1962 said:

From my understanding HGH for a man has a different makeup from HGH for a women. It is only a matter of time before it is confirmed that it was HGH for a man.

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That's useful. Can someone, who has experience in a chemistry lab that exceeds mine, validate that (I broke a couple of test tubes and nearly set the place on fire)?

raduray said:

To be fair, Peyton's never denied that HDH had been shipped to his wife. His position has conveniently been that his wife's medical history is off limits.

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But that still leaves the question that the New York Daily News asked several weeks ago: why would someone of the Manning's wealth and stature use a shady clinic, when they could have gone to world class medical facilities in Indianapolis and Denver to seek treatment for Mrs. Manning?

"Why would an elite athlete with access to the best physicians in the world receive treatment at a facility that evangelizes for testosterone, human growth hormone and other drugs banned by the NFL? Why were Manning and his old team, the Colts, affiliated with a clinic that former employees say routinely cut corners and was horribly mismanaged?"

Why did Peyton Manning seek any treatment at sordid clinic?

PS: This story isn't going away anytime soon. Isn't it nice that New York papers are on top of this, while the MCI and the CHB have their thumbs stuck up their butts?

Zeus said:

Mostly, what Manning has said about the Al Jazeera report is that it is "complete garbage" and I think he has said just that more than once. It's a very broad brush.

You can see the influence of Ari Fleischer here - it's an artful bit of spin. To the casual observer and to the squadrons of gullible Peyton sycophants that populate The Sporting Press, their intrepid hero has issued a complete and uncategorical denial. It's all garbage.

Now, sayeth Mr. Professional Spinmeister Ari (under cover of darkness) , Peyton didn't really deny everything. Just the parts he couldn't live with himself. And, in the process, he did unceremoniously toss the mother of his children (er, ... at least we think they're his children) under The Big Greyhound Bus that is coincidentally idling outside whenever Manning has to cover his tracks.

People who have to choose their words so carefully that they hire professionals to do it for them often have something to hide.

But Jim Nantz and ESPN say there's nothing to see here, so I guess that's good enough for me.

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I think you're reading too much into the "garbage" comment and Fleischer's intent in crafting it.

I've spent a lot of time with spinmeisters at Ari's level on the other side of the aisle. They are now just at the "categorical denial" stage. In other words, they're simply flat out lying and figure there's no harm in doing so as long as no one's under oath. There is no "wordsmithing" going on. That comes later when the lawyers and prosecutors get involved.

Until and unless he's under oath, Manning will completely deny that he used or received HGH and use his wife as a smokescreen. Let me put it this way, if a journalist, in a one on one, sit down interview, asks Manning point blank whether he used HGH, he will deny it. In the meantime, he's issuing broad, meaningless, categorical denials in the form of statements and answers to questions in a press conference setting, where he can move on to the next question.

And, he's only throwing his wife "under the bus" if he asks her to lie under oath for him. We're a long way from depositions and possible perjury. It took Balco years to unravel. This will probably take another 18--36 months to play itself out.

If I had to guess at this stage, I'd guess that male and female HGH was sent to the Manning household, so Peyton could have some aircover.

PatsFanSince74 said:

But that still leaves the question that the New York Daily News asked several weeks ago: why would someone of the Manning's wealth and stature use a shady clinic, when they could have gone to world class medical facilities in Indianapolis and Denver to seek treatment for Mrs. Manning?

"Why would an elite athlete with access to the best physicians in the world receive treatment at a facility that evangelizes for testosterone, human growth hormone and other drugs banned by the NFL? Why were Manning and his old team, the Colts, affiliated with a clinic that former employees say routinely cut corners and was horribly mismanaged?"

Why did Peyton Manning seek any treatment at sordid clinic?

PS: This story isn't going away anytime soon. Isn't it nice that New York papers are on top of this, while the MCI and the CHB have their thumbs stuck up their butts?

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Agreed, particularly Shaughnessy. That dink has been trolling Pats fans for years, and he's been a very special kind of ***hole about DG. All week, I've been waiting for his column about Goober the Forehead. Not touching anything about football these days. What a surprise...

Jackson 2 said:

Agreed, particularly Shaughnessy. That dink has been trolling Pats fans for years, and he's been a very special kind of ***hole about DG. All week, I've been waiting for his column about Goober the Forehead. Not touching anything about football these days. What a surprise...

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Shaughnessy is a columnist, not a reporter. Why would you expect him to be "on top of this"?

PatsFanSince74 said:

I think you're reading too much into the "garbage" comment and Fleischer's intent in crafting it.

I've spent a lot of time with spinmeisters at Ari's level on the other side of the aisle. They are now just at the "categorical denial" stage. In other words, they're simply flat out lying and figure there's no harm in doing so as long as no one's under oath. There is no "wordsmithing" going on. That comes later when the lawyers and prosecutors get involved.

Until and unless he's under oath, Manning will completely deny that he used or received HGH and use his wife as a smokescreen. Let me put it this way, if a journalist, in a one on one, sit down interview, asks Manning point blank whether he used HGH, he will deny it. In the meantime, he's issuing broad, meaningless, categorical denials in the form of statements and answers to questions in a press conference setting, where he can move on to the next question.

And, he's only throwing his wife "under the bus" if he asks her to lie under oath for him. We're a long way from depositions and possible perjury. It took Balco years to unravel. This will probably take another 18--36 months to play itself out.

If I had to guess at this stage, I'd guess that male and female HGH was sent to the Manning household, so Peyton could have some aircover.

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LOL, he doesn't need any "air cover", or any other type of cover. This is going nowhere. I'm sure Goober and the Mrs. haven't lost one wink of sleep over this, nor should they. He could commit a felony on 5th Avenue in front of a thousand witnesses and all he'd have to do is ask them all one question: "Which are you going to believe, me or your eyes?" Case closed.

Deus Irae said:

Shaughnessy is a columnist, not a reporter. Why would you expect him to be "on top of this"?

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Because this is precisely the type of subject, like DG, that is perfectly suited for opinion pieces.

Jackson 2 said:

Because this is precisely the type of subject, like DG, that is perfectly suited for opinion pieces.

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Great column idea.

"In my opinion, we need more information."


Deflategate had claims of numbers right off the bat. Big difference.

Deus Irae said:

Great column idea.

"In my opinion, we need more information."


Deflategate had claims of numbers right off the bat. Big difference.

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If Shaughnessey or any of the Boston media were any sort of journalists, they would have personally performed the PSI experiments at each and every Patriots game this year and reported the results. Inflate the ball in the heated press box, place it outdoors when the game starts, measure it at halftime. The skank could have done that if he was really interested in the truth.

FYI: HGH is the same substance, for male or female. Recombinant somatotropin.

raduray said:

If Shaughnessey or any of the Boston media were any sort of journalists, they would have personally performed the PSI experiments at each and every Patriots game this year and reported the results. Inflate the ball in the heated press box, place it outdoors when the game starts, measure it at halftime. The skank could have done that if he was really interested in the truth.

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There are God knows how many actual journalists, as opposed to columnists, who didn't bother with the PSI experiments. There are sports radio stations all across the country who didn't bother with the PSI experiments.

It's an embarrassment that nobody in the Boston media felt it worth the time and/or money to buy a couple of dozen footballs and do the experiments every week during the season, or at least for all the home games. People at 98.5 and WEEI should probably have gotten fired for the lack of PSI experiments by the stations. But, of all the Boston media who would not have to do it in order to do their jobs, columnists are at the top of the list, so criticizing Shaughnessy for not doing it is ludicrous.

If you want to look at the "local" writers to ***** about, start killing

Reiss
Curran
Howe
Volin
Kyed
Price

Deus Irae said:

Shaughnessy is a columnist, not a reporter. Why would you expect him to be "on top of this"?

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How do you define the difference between a "columnist" and a "reporter."
Serious question. I've known a lot of folks who write for media outlets, including the Glob, so I'm interested in the distinction you're drawing.

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Curran
Howe

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Yep, go after the ones who supported them through the bullish.t, that makes sense.

robertweathers said:

I bet ole Ari thinks Peyton got yellow cake uranium instead

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I've used a similar Manning-type defense before myself:

"No Officer, it's not mine. I was just holding it for a friend."