Stork gave away the snap count

Ring 6 · Feb 2, 2016

supafly said:
Earlier in the season there were threads started on who we should trade, since it was seen as such as position of strength. If you had told people that OL would be our biggest downfall, no one would've believed you.

I would have. Even at 10-0 Brady was getting sacked a lot in many games.

aluminum seats · Feb 2, 2016

Ivan said:
I agree. I'm a fan of Stork but he had an off season, however I think the problems with the OL are more about the run game than individual OL. I don't want Kline starting and I want Cannon gone, but I think they should stick with the young interior OL ( ( Stork, Andrews, Jackson, and Mason) while drafting a tackle high in this coming draft. Imo the bigger issue this season was the RB on first and second downs. I don't think Blount is a starting RB anymore and if he returns it should be strictly as a situational power back. I really want them to get a true starting RB in free agency, such as Forte, Ivory, or Miller and get their run\pass ratio back up around 45%/55%. Charlie Weiss had a formula early in Bradys career where he said that he was looking for a combination of rushes and completed passes that totaled over 50 (IIRC) , and when they meet that number they won over 95% of the time, I want them to get back to that approach for the rest of Bradys career because the overreliance on Brady to win every game with his arm will give the OL no chance of really protecting him and will make it really hard to win another Lombardi.

That's interesting about Weiss, I hadn't heard it before. But absolutely true...think about the game this week--Denver has to be concerned with a running game, a passing game, and a mobile quarterback. Against the Pats, all they had to was pin their ears back and attack.

You take that and add the fact that the offensive line was incredibly battered, then you add Stork tipping off the snap...it's honestly amazing Tom Brady is still alive.

Lavictoire · Feb 2, 2016

How could the coaches and Ernie Adams not see stork doing this? If Manning wins the Super Bowl that will explain this and I will be done watching a rigged season of football again.

varjao · Feb 3, 2016

neuronet said:
How is that arrogant, specifically? It was a mistake that probably seemed like the best decision at the time based on about a hundred factors he had to consider.

People, when Belichick makes a mistake, no need to knee-jerk it to "arrogance." That's what the idiots at ESPN want you to do, as it means they've shut down your frontal cortex and implanted their stupid meme in your brain.

AndyJohnson said:
How does who you choose to return a punt when your punt returners are injured have anything to do with arrogance?

Chung and McCourty could have fielded that punt, they both are experienced players with special teams appearances. Bolden, Martin on a second level of choices, all better options than a rookie udfa in the spotlight in a snowy and windy night. Every week in the NFL there is a bottom of the roster player muffing a punt, it was just a risk that should not have been taken, that was overconfidence, do your job mantra, etc...that's why I said it was almost arrogant, not flat out arrogant. It was a mistake I agree, by the player but for me the biggest mistake came from the coaching staff mismanaging that risk. Total momentum shift.

Racervx54 · Feb 3, 2016

For the Love of all things we lost. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON TO 2016!!!

1960Pats · Feb 3, 2016

12Brady said:
For the Love of all things we lost. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON TO 2016!!!

No sense crying over spilled milk.

bresna · Feb 3, 2016

luuked said:
Googe was definitely not fired for what happened in Denver but for the sum of all things that went wrong the last two years.

A quick correction: he was not "fired". His contract ran out, making him a free agent coach.

brdmaverick · Feb 3, 2016

Was thinking about this some more...........

Broncos catch onto a significant snap count 'tell' early in the game.

Pats' tablets mysteriously don't work.

....conspiracy?

Do you think this is something the Pat's coaching staff would have picked up on if their tablets were working? I know, it's week, tablets weren't always a part of the game (obviously).

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Feb 3, 2016

Harper's muff was one of the critical plays of the season.

But saying that Chung, McCourty, Bolden et. al. should have fielded it is perfect 20-20 hindsight.

Harper made the PS and then the roster based partly upon his PR skills. You can be sure that he was the main PR all week in practice, and that he did it very well, or you wouldn't have seen him placed in that role.

To put someone in that role who is not at all familiar with returning punts, whether he was a veteran or not, would be even more risky. Sometimes you have very limited options, and though you choose the most logical/best out of a set of fairly bad options, it doesn't work out. It doesn't make you arrogant, or even wrong.

luuked · Feb 3, 2016

bresna said:
A quick correction: he was not "fired". His contract ran out, making him a free agent coach.

Semantics but true.

luuked · Feb 3, 2016

varjao said:
Chung and McCourty could have fielded that punt, they both are experienced players with special teams appearances. Bolden, Martin on a second level of choices, all better options than a rookie udfa in the spotlight in a snowy and windy night. Every week in the NFL there is a bottom of the roster player muffing a punt, it was just a risk that should not have been taken, that was overconfidence, do your job mantra, etc...that's why I said it was almost arrogant, not flat out arrogant. It was a mistake I agree, by the player but for me the biggest mistake came from the coaching staff mismanaging that risk. Total momentum shift.

What a load of horse crap. Seriously, Harper is professional athlete. He has been practicing catching a punt hundreds if not thousands of times in his life. If players are able to absorb completely new plays from a ballroom walkthrough then he should be able a) catch the ball and b) identify the gunner closing down on him and calling for a fair catch.

You can blame Joe Judge for not instructing him to fair catch it no matter what. But that is as far as the blame game goes. It would be similarly insane to blame coaching for Grissom ****ing up his punt protection duties and causing that blocked punt at home against the Eagles.

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