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Bill Belichick elaborates on fourth-down calls that didn't pan out

On whether using tempo on offense could have helped slow down the pass rush: “Yeah, I think it could have been. I’d say that some of the things we wanted to do, sometimes you’re not able to do them for one reason or another. That’s sometimes the case; there are a variety of reasons and circumstances. I’d say everything that we wanted to do in that game we didn’t feel was totally at our disposal. So we did what we felt we could do and tried to do it the best we could. There might have been other options, but we didn’t, for one reason or another, feel those were good options.”
make what you will about stuff BB says they couldnt do and why they couldnt do.
 
If you REALLY want to get depressed, think about the sheer amount of draft capital the Patriots have sank into the OL in the last two years. Yikes.
Yep.
I wanted nothing whatsoever to do with any of Fleming, Halapio & Jackson.
Stork is OK enough, though I might've gone with Russell Jethro Bodine, taken by the Bungles a few picks later.
I wanted John Urschel where Fleming was picked, and Laurent Duvernay Tardif where Halapio was picked.
I wanted TJ Clemmings where the stiff GeeNo Grissom was picked, and would've taken La'el Collins
instead of that waste of space Xzavier Dixon (aka GeeNo Grissom II).

An OL consisting of Solder, Vollmer, Stork, Shaq Mason, Urschel, LDT, Clemmings, Collins and even
Cannon, Kline & Andrews would've looked a helluva lot better then what we saw this season, and I'm
not even including Joel Bitonio instead of Dom Easily(Injured).
 
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I was actually talking about before he became a FA. The Pats could have drafted him. Many of us were calling for it in the 6th and 7th rounds.

He specifically said that he would refuse to sign with any team that drafted him.
 
To be fair, it's been mostly in the middle rounds. Tre Jackson and Shaq Mason were the only two picks last year, and both were 4th rounders. The year before, it was Stork and Fleming, also 4th rounders, and Jon Halapio in the 6th round. Stork's a good enough starter at center and Jackson and Mason have both shown signs that they can be good starters in the league. David Andrews is a good sub too. The primary issue was the loss of Solder and that Cannon and Fleming were not adequate replacements, and that Jackson and Mason were thrown to the wolves rather than being given time to develop because Connolly retired and Wendell never played.

I do think the depth at tackle is inadequate (I was screaming for TJ Clemmings in the draft last year when he fell to the 4th round and he was a solid starter for the Vikings) and there was a lack of planning in having veteran depth beyond Josh Kline on the interior line. You expect some inconsistency from rookie offensive linemen.

Of the OL draft picks, Fleming is the only one that I'd call a whiff to this point. A guy drafted in the 4th round shouldn't be a PS callup playing this badly just one year later. Halapio was a late enough pick that anything we got from him would've been gravy, and Jackson and Mason haven't had enough time (or played quite badly enough) to be called busts yet.

What worries me about Jackson and Mason is that what we saw that year is about on par with what the Pats have traditionally got from UDFA with a year or two of coaching under their belts, and given that the OL coach just got fired who knows how much this past year has helped them move up the curve to being NFL-ready players. I'm still holding out hope for Mason in particular, though. He's a physical freak, and the transition from the Georgia Tech offense to the Patriots' is almost impossible to overstate. I'm not counting on him being a lot better next year, but there are reasons to think he may be.
 
I was actually talking about before he became a FA. The Pats could have drafted him. Many of us were calling for it in the 6th and 7th rounds.

He would have just held out and re-entered the draft next year. Rightfully so; he ended up with a contract worth several times what a 6th or 7th rounder receives.
 
An OL of Solder-Wendell-Stork-Connolly-Vollmer won the Patriots a Super Bowl, against one of the best defenses of all time.

A healthy OL of Solder-Wendell-Stork-Mason-Vollmer should be plenty good enough to win another Super Bowl, so long as the other parts of the game hold up their end of the bargain (i.e., the defense doesn't get lit up for 38 points or whatever).
 
Ok, then if you don't want to talk about this issue, don't participate in the thread and go talk about something else. Good grief.
I did talk about the issues, the OL sucks.
 
An OL of Solder-Wendell-Stork-Connolly-Vollmer won the Patriots a Super Bowl, against one of the best defenses of all time.

A healthy OL of Solder-Wendell-Stork-Mason-Vollmer should be plenty good enough to win another Super Bowl, so long as the other parts of the game hold up their end of the bargain (i.e., the defense doesn't get lit up for 38 points or whatever).

If something goes wrong, they have Kline, Jackson, and Andrews as backups or rotational players on the interior. The big worry is at tackle. As we saw this year, they have no quality tackle depth behind Solder and Vollmer; worse, Vollmer will be 32 in 2016, the final year of his contract.
 
After reading this article and watching the videotape, STORK gave away the snap count. The proof is here!

Bryan Stork Was Tipping The Snap - Inside The Pylon

What makes me absolutely crazy about this is that I prefer the Pats OL with Stork at guard and Andrews at center!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heck, I would rather Stork at tackle instead o Cannon, who I don't think ever recovered from that toe injury.
 
An OL of Solder-Wendell-Stork-Connolly-Vollmer won the Patriots a Super Bowl, against one of the best defenses of all time.

A healthy OL of Solder-Wendell-Stork-Mason-Vollmer should be plenty good enough to win another Super Bowl, so long as the other parts of the game hold up their end of the bargain (i.e., the defense doesn't get lit up for 38 points or whatever).
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
Wendell hasn't played football for a year, and was borderline starting caliber before that. Plus he is a Free Agent.
Mason is not Connolly.
Vollmer will be 2 years older, with lots of wear and tear.
Solder has had cancer and a torn ACL the last 2 years.
What we saw vs Denver is unfortunately what we will see next year if changes are not made.
 
Just a SPOT ON, extremely astute and well-written perspective by ivanvamp.

McDaniels gets blame for two things:
- You don't let 38-year old Brady get destroyed 24 times in a game by repeatedly calling plays where by design Brady is going to get destroyed in that 4-spread shotgun formation.
- Related to this, as you noted below, absolutely ZERO adjustments to counter the ferocious outside pass rush, zero screens called, no jet screens, no trap runs, no draw plays. McDaniels, going on multiple losses the exact same way now, has to learn how to counter ferocious outside pass rushes.

The offensive line was decimated, and Kline has no business being a starter next year. Kline and Cannon were getting blown up the majority of plays. Vollmer should be OK once he goes back to RT.

The rushing game was terrible, not too dissimilar to the league-worst offense McDaniels ran in St Louis in 2011 which had multiple injuries and was the worst in points in per game (11.8/game), couldn't pass (Bradford got killed/injured like indestructible Brady was hit last game), the rushing game in St Louis was horrible too. I hope the successor after Belichick is Patricia, because the reason the offense is good right now is how freakishly great Gronkowski and Brady are irrespective of the play-calling or system.


Looking at the AFCCG again (boy it was painful), here are a few reasons why the Broncos just crushed Brady. 24 QB hits - the most in the NFL in any game since 2006 - almost 10 years. That's crazy.

1. Injuries. Let's start with the obvious. The OL play was not helped by injuries. Nate Solder, a borderline pro bowl-caliber LT, was lost for the season. Ryan Wendell, a starting guard, was lost for the season. Sebastian Vollmer, a 2010 2nd team all-pro at RT, was banged up and missed several games, and had to move to LT to replace Solder when Solder's initial replacements were ineffective. Bryan Stork, the starting C, missed 8 games, and at times had to play OT - a position he'd never played before. For much of the season, the Patriots were playing with Marcus Cannon and Cameron Fleming - a practice squad player to start the year - at T. The Patriots used the most line combinations in the NFL. The original projected starting lineup for the season was Solder-Wendell-Stork-Kline-Vollmer. It ended up in Denver being Vollmer-Kline-Stork-Mason-Cannon. Two starters out, key guys playing out of position...the OL was a total mess. They played three rookies at times (Mason, Andrews, Jackson). They played practice squad guys (Fleming). They played guys they picked up off the street during the season (Waddle). There was no consistency and the talent was either inexperienced or depleted by injuries.

2. No running game. The Patriots were not a good running team all season long, finishing 30th in rushing yards per game (87.8), and 29th in rushing yards per attempt (3.7). But the running game suffered tremendously when their top two running backs, LeGarrette Blount and Dion Lewis, got hurt. The last 5 games of the season, the Patriots rushed for 93, 63, 70, 38, and 44 yards (61.6 yards per game), and lost 3 of those last 5. Blount had averaged 4.3 yards per rush, and Lewis 4.8, and without them, the Patriots were left with Brandon Bolden (3.3 ypc), James White (2.5 ypc), Joey Iosefa (3.4 ypc), and then picked up Steven Jackson off the scrap heap (2.4 ypc). In other words, the talent level at RB once Blount and Lewis got hurt was just abysmal, in terms of running the football. Reports have surfaced explaining what was one of the most inexplicable losses in recent memory - the week 17 debacle against the Dolphins. Apparently Belichick was (rightly) very concerned about the running game - or lack thereof. And he wanted to use that Dolphins game to focus on the rushing attack, believing that the only way they'd have a real shot at winning the Super Bowl would be to get at least some semblance of a running game going. Miami came out in nickel and dime heavy formations, and the Patriots STILL could not run the football, even though they kept pounding away at it. Once it became clear that the Patriots could not run, they went pass-heavy in the second half but still lost what turned out to be a crucial game. The lack of a running game allowed Denver to pass rush on every down, not worried at all that the Patriots would have success on the ground. Being totally one-dimensional against a defense like Denver proved disastrous.

3. Immobility of Brady. Brady has never been mistaken for a Randall Cunningham, a Steve Young, a Fran Tarkenton, a Russell Wilson, a Michael Vick, a Cam Newton. That is, he's not a runner. But against Miami, his mobility dropped even more when he suffered an injured ankle. It was not healed by the Denver game, and that left Brady very vulnerable. Scrambling was more difficult than normal, even though he did manage an important 12-yard run during the game. He moved less effectively in the pocket, and the Patriots never tried to move the pocket. As a result, the Broncos could send their ends sprinting around the tackles to a single spot on the field, and Brady was almost always there. Brady's even greater immobility hurt considerably as he was unable to avoid the rush.

4. Quick-strike options were injured. Edelman. Amendola. Dion Lewis. One way to counter a great pass rush is to get rid of the ball quickly. The Patriots' main options in this aspect of the game were all injured. Julian Edelman, perhaps the quickest receiver in football, was clearly still hobbled by a broken foot and was not at all his usual self. Danny Amendola was banged up and not at all 100%. And the revelation of the early season, Dion Lewis, who had averaged 10.8 yards a reception, was out for the year. That left the Patriots with only Keyshawn Martin as a quick-strike option. Against Denver, Martin had zero receptions on just one target. James White, a poor runner but solid receiver, was targeted 16 times, but several long wheel routes came up just barely empty as Brady did not have enough time to throw. The quick-strike options were severely limited, forcing the Patriots to use more traditional modes of attack, but Brady simply didn't have enough time.

5. No attempt to use Denver's rush against them. This was on the coaching staff. Typically, you can counter a heavy rush by running the ball, throwing screens, running jet sweeps, or using trick plays. The Patriots ran zero trick plays, and virtually no screens. They ran no jet sweeps, and could not run the ball. They simply kept dropping back to pass. When it is clear that your regular stuff isn't working, it's time to try something else. Denver's defense played a fantastic game, able to get pressure with just 3 or 4 guys, dropping 7 or 8 into coverage, so running screens against that kind of defense would be admittedly difficult. Nevertheless, they did not attempt to use the Broncos' heavy pass rush against them, by countering with plays designed to take advantage of the Bronco defensive ends getting so far upfield. It was one regular pass after another, with Brady dropping back to the same spot on the field.

6. The snap count. The crowd was electric all game long, and the noise they generated prevented the Patriots from altering the snap count or using a hard count to draw Bronco defenders offside. If the game was played in Foxboro, there is no doubt that Brady's cadence would have drawn at least one penalty, and if nothing else, would have made Bronco pass rushers pause at least a fraction of a second, and that fraction of a second would have been enough to complete two of those wheel routes to White.

What's interesting, of course, is that all this, plus a phenomenal game by Denver played by a highly talented defensive unit, and the Patriots STILL would have been tied at the end had Gostkowski not missed his first PAT since 2006. Moreover, the Patriots still out-gained Denver, 336-244. It was the 5th most yardage given up by Denver all season, which is remarkable given all the factors listed above.

The question is: Which of these things can change in 2016? Well, injuries are what they are, and there's no way to predict. Maybe Lewis and Edelman are healthy all year, but they suffer more injuries along the offensive line. Maybe Gronkowski misses a lot of time. Who knows. The running game was much better with Blount and Lewis on the field, so getting them back could by itself be a factor. The health and improvement of the offensive line seems of paramount importance, not only for pass protection but also for run blocking. Can the young guys take the next step forward? Can Solder and Vollmer stay healthy, thus keeping Cannon and Fleming on the bench where they belong? Can the Patriots secure home field advantage so they don't have to deal with the crowd noise?

The Patriots have the pieces to fix all these problems in 2016. Health is the key.
 
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
Wendell hasn't played football for a year, and was borderline starting caliber before that. Plus he is a Free Agent.
Mason is not Connolly.
Vollmer will be 2 years older, with lots of wear and tear.
Solder has had cancer and a torn ACL the last 2 years.
What we saw vs Denver is unfortunately what we will see next year if changes are not made.

I think Solder tore his bicep, not his ACL.
 
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
Wendell hasn't played football for a year, and was borderline starting caliber before that. Plus he is a Free Agent.
Mason is not Connolly.
Vollmer will be 2 years older, with lots of wear and tear.
Solder has had cancer and a torn ACL the last 2 years.
What we saw vs Denver is unfortunately what we will see next year if changes are not made.

You're missing the point. Which was this: Solder-Wendell-Stork(rookie)-Connolly-Vollmer is a decent OL, not a great one. That was, given the makeup of the rest of the team, sufficient for them to win a Super Bowl.

I agree that Mason is not Connolly, and that Solder/Vollmer are older, and that Wendell might not even be here. I also think that a line of Solder-Wendell (if he was here, or if not, another veteran)-Stork-Mason-Vollmer would likely be sufficient, if healthy, to win another Super Bowl.

The line was an abject disaster at the end of this season. I don't think it would take a whole lot for it to get back to roughly the level it was at the end of last season.
 
You're missing the point. Which was this: Solder-Wendell-Stork(rookie)-Connolly-Vollmer is a decent OL, not a great one. That was, given the makeup of the rest of the team, sufficient for them to win a Super Bowl.
That OL was also the disaster that started the season in 2014 before it came together.
It is not a gold standard, it is probably the worst we could survive with (at a SB level)

I agree that Mason is not Connolly, and that Solder/Vollmer are older, and that Wendell might not even be here. I also think that a line of Solder-Wendell (if he was here, or if not, another veteran)-Stork-Mason-Vollmer would likely be sufficient, if healthy, to win another Super Bowl.
I do not.

The line was an abject disaster at the end of this season. I don't think it would take a whole lot for it to get back to roughly the level it was at the end of last season.
Yes, yes it would.
There was not a player on the OL who was even average for the position they were playing. (Vollmer would be at RT, and Stork was in 2014 but was not in 2015). None of our Gs would be likely to start on more than a select few NFL teams that had health at the position.
It is THAT bad. Didn't you watch the Last 2 months of the season?

So other than everyone being bad, we don't have to do a whole lot?
No thanks, I do not want to be sitting here in 11 months wondering how we can win big games with no blocking.
 
Yes, you are correct. Unfortunately that may be an injury that is more likely to recur.

Yeah, Mayo with his second torn pectoral muscle this year.
 
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