TWO WR CAP CUTS TO CONSIDER?

BTW, give me Marvin Jones or Mohamed Sanu over Wallace.

This is DW's time to troll the boards and swamp the rest of us fans with the ridiculous and the ludicrous. 99% of the time he is just throwing sh!t out there to see what sticks and to annoy people with very little thought to whether or not the player actually fits into the Pats scheme..

I'd take a shot on Mike Wallace for sure. His reputation has taken a hit, so a One year deal for a reasonable salary is definitely possible.

He's not a physical guy though. He's your standard deep threat that's not to keen about going over the middle. He's got game changing speed that would force a defense to have to back off and play a little softer.

So if you took a shot on him i would hope there would also be someone else coming in to run those tough routes over the middle like an Anquan Boldin type.

BillBelichickFan79 said:

I'd take a shot on Mike Wallace for sure. His reputation has taken a hit, so a One year deal for a reasonable salary is definitely possible.

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What's your definition of a "reasonable salary," though? I think Wallace is still a 8-10m dollar receiver, and it's not too likely that Belichick is going to pay an outsider more than 2x what they pay Edelman.

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So if you took a shot on him i would hope there would also be someone else coming in to run those tough routes over the middle like an Anquan Boldin type.

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That's exactly why I'm fully on board with going after him in free agency. He's like Steve Smith. He's tough, physical, experienced, and he keeps producing. At this point I have no reason to believe that he's worse than Brandon LaFell or Brandon Llyod, especially if it's only for 1 year.

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I applaud anyone with Ideas to improve the Team, Brother Toys!! Props!!

Alas, I don't believe that these are the Droids your looking for.

01 ~ Victor Cruz. A Tremendous Flanker Talent who should indeed be available for a Bargain Basement Price after missing all of 2015, and who should also be 100% ~ so to speak ~ in plenty of time for Camp and perhaps OTA's, so I love your Thinking on this...But that 2014 Injury was a Patellar Tendon Tear. He'll most probably never be what he was, and it's also highly in doubt that his Health will ever again be reliable.

02 ~ Michael Wallace. Double Threat Guy. Yeah, you get yourself a Terrell Owens level of Prima Donna with all the whining, pissing, and moaning, combined with a Brandon LaFell level of Production.

Nice.

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One must remember. The quality and quantity of the 2016 FA WR Class after Jeffrey is nyet. There will be CAP cuts and those two are mentioned.

More Trades/Cuts?
I'd mentioned Justin Hunter as a Trade possibility but am luke warm on him. Cordarrell Paterson might be available. He probably is looking at his last shot to be a real NFL WR. Minn. is run first so good luck on that there. But on the other hand might not work out here at WR but is a tremendous K.O. talent. The bad on that is we don't need Bethel Johnson or Brandon Tate #2.

This kid was a first rounder. Someone had to see and upside and he is big and fast.

On the LaFell production "With the Steelers his first full starting year, he establishing himself as one of the NFL's elite wideouts with 1,257 yards receiving (third most in the AFC) and 10 touchdowns. Wallace led the NFL with seven 100-yard receiving games."

His Super Bowl production was "Dion Branch-ish". Super Bowl XLV Wallace had nine catches for 89 yards and a touchdown. Cousin, could we have used those numbers in the playoff? Yes?

Another FA WR lying in the weeds like a typical BB pick up is Chris Givens on the Ravens. Young, speed and size but was underutilized by Jeff Fisher and when Flacco got hurt after he was traded to the Ravens, he was mediocre with no QB talent.

In this years Draft we are all hoping for a miracle. The second coming of Megtron is there at #60 waiting to be plucked. The WR class in the Draft is weak unlike the last two years.

DaBruinz said:

This is DW's time to troll the boards and swamp the rest of us fans with the ridiculous and the ludicrous. 99% of the time he is just throwing sh!t out there to see what sticks and to annoy people with very little thought to whether or not the player actually fits into the Pats scheme..

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DaBruinz said:

This is DW's time to troll the boards and swamp the rest of us fans with the ridiculous and the ludicrous. 99% of the time he is just throwing sh!t out there to see what sticks and to annoy people with very little thought to whether or not the player actually fits into the Pats scheme..

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Thank you for your thoughts. I spend time on these for enjoyment and reasonable commentary. I enjoy and respect both positives and negatives as every poster on this forum would have to agree I do.

BUT, This is DaBruinz time to show the world he is a pseudo intellectual. He will ask that you do his work for him with stats and comments he can't find or won't bother to look up......Ironically the Pats beat writer on the Boston Globe mentioned at least two that I did in Garcon and Wallace as potential Cuts the Pats could look at just yesterday.

So I guess one of the Pats beat writers "is just throwing sh!t out there to see what sticks and to annoy people with very little thought to whether or not the player actually fits into the Pats scheme"......So that would be a "So there!"

I am sure he knows less than you. DaBruinz...Ask him to show the facts on how he could come up with that? Look up his address at the Globe. I am not doing it for you as you have suckered many to do.

If I did not know better I would think it's BB under a pen name with all of those "I know better than you" comments and your cool demeanor. O.K. DB you win. You are smarter than all of us. Is this you Bill?

I still love you Da Bruinz and cherish every negative comment. I believe you do NOT have to look at any thread I produce. You can check with the moder.....oh yeah I forgot. Take time to read the posters name. Like a moth to the flame I guess Cousin.

Ridiculous and ludicrous? Hip hop singers I believe!
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P.S. I am sorry to all the other posters if I annoy you or waste your time.

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supafly said:

What's your definition of a "reasonable salary," though? I think Wallace is still a 8-10m dollar receiver, and it's not too likely that Belichick is going to pay an outsider more than 2x what they pay Edelman.



That's exactly why I'm fully on board with going after him in free agency. He's like Steve Smith. He's tough, physical, experienced, and he keeps producing. At this point I have no reason to believe that he's worse than Brandon LaFell or Brandon Llyod, especially if it's only for 1 year.

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I am not a great Wallace fan but he fills the need of a WR to take the top off and move some Safeties deeper for Gronk and Edelman. Unlike some posters, I believe he is a fit for reasons:

1)Speed (you know...the old "Takes the top off the ball")
2)He is not a small WR. Only 6t lbs less than LaFell.He has a 4" higher vertical too.
3)He averages 60 catches a year for his seven years in the League even with the likes of the inconsistent Tannehill (also 10 TDs!!! on that Team) and the run first Vikes.
4) Has bigger hands than the dropsies LaFell does which might have merit to consider his issues
5) Was clutch player in Steelers SB win. His own Team Mates said he ran more than just flys. He ran"clean" routes.
6) This is huge. ................He has missed only one game in seven years. We have no receiver than can say that. The guy stays healthy.

The Bad:
1) Prima donna? Maybe or just "wants the damn ball". You know that is corrected here by BB.
2) Money? Is money still the #1 with him or is it his legacy? He has only had one Pro Bowl (2011)
3) Would he do an incentive laden deal or is he $8mm take it or leave it? If so moot point.
4) In his best year 2011, he was rated by PFF as in the top 20 best hands (13) in the NFL. He also had a good QB. Has his drop ratio increased?

I would rather Jeffrey or Gracon maybe. All three of them will cost. Who takes less?
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We need to fix the OL. Turnover at WR looks like it will happen, but probably for a net 0 cost.
Wallace has major attitude problems, can't run routes, and has worn out his welcome in 3 places. Terrible fit here.
Cruz is made of glass.

The reasons mike wallace wont work here are two fold.

1.)brady was underthrowing EVERYONe this year when going deep.
2.) Wallace doesn't fight for the ball.

Signing wallace would mean adding 3-4 ints to bradys season, and not a lot of TD's. The patriots are a Yac team.

I think Mike Wallace could end up being a decent value for some team this offseason, but I don't think it makes sense for him to sign with the Pats. He should be looking for a one year contract to revive his career and get a better long-term contract in 2017. That one year contract should be with a team that is going to incorporate planned deep shots into their offense, not a team that wants him to be a deep decoy to open things up for Gronk and Edelman. The Cardinals would be a really good spot for that if they didn't already have their WRs in place. The Bills could be one option that makes sense after Harvin didn't work out last season. About 9.2% of Tyrod Taylor's pass attempts were 30+ yards down the field as opposed to Brady's 3.4%, and I would guess there's an even greater disparity if we take out passes that were basically throwaways.

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I think Mike Wallace could end up being a decent value for some team this offseason, but I don't think it makes sense for him to sign with the Pats. He should be looking for a one year contract to revive his career and get a better long-term contract in 2017. That one year contract should be with a team that is going to incorporate planned deep shots into their offense, not a team that wants him to be a deep decoy to open things up for Gronk and Edelman. The Cardinals would be a really good spot for that if they didn't already have their WRs in place. The Bills could be one option that makes sense after Harvin didn't work out last season. About 9.2% of Tyrod Taylor's pass attempts were 30+ yards down the field as opposed to Brady's 3.4%, and I would guess there's an even greater disparity if we take out passes that were basically throwaways.

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Good points all. I would say Ravens but they are in CAP hell. Detroit comes to mind with Stafford's arm now that Megatron has retired, but it can't be a trade within division I would guess. Indy, but don't know their CAP.
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Rob0729 said:

BTW, give me Marvin Jones or Mohamed Sanu over Wallace.

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Well I will say this about Mike Wallace he has great deep speed also he has never been really injured ie...didn't miss many games and unlike Brandon LaFail...Mike Wallace definitely would have caught some of Brady's ducks.

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Well I will say this about Mike Wallace he has great deep speed also he has never been really injured ie...didn't miss many games and unlike Brandon LaFail...Mike Wallace definitely would have caught some of Brady's ducks.

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Lafell missed 5 games and caught 37/515 Wallace played all 16 and caught 39/473
In 2014, Lafell 74/953 Wallace 67/862

Lafell produces more, but Wallace complains about not getting the ball.
I thought the idea was we wanted to upgrade Lafell?

SalemPats said:

I would say no to either player, they don't fit a need.

An intruiging one would be Andre Johnson, if he gets cut he could be that physical big WR on the outside and a big upgrade over Lafell

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Johnson is done. No thanks.

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Well I will say this about Mike Wallace he has great deep speed also he has never been really injured ie...didn't miss many games and unlike Brandon LaFail...Mike Wallace definitely would have caught some of Brady's ducks.

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If Wallace would be happy to come here on a veteran minimum salary and play bout 10-15 snaps a game like Donte Stallworth did in 2007, then he might be an option. He isn't a full time player in this offense.

And we know he will not be happy to be a deep pass specialist who only sees the field a dozen times a game.

Wallace and Laffell while somewhat similar in size are in no way comparable in play style. Laffell will block like hell and fights physically to get open. Wallace doesn't and will run by you or he won't be open.

i'd rather Garcon over Wallace

AndyJohnson said:

Lafell missed 5 games and caught 37/515 Wallace played all 16 and caught 39/473
In 2014, Lafell 74/953 Wallace 67/862

Lafell produces more, but Wallace complains about not getting the ball.
I thought the idea was we wanted to upgrade Lafell?

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The key here is Brady on those numbers, not Tannehill and Teddy B. Big difference. Is that a fair statement?

He had great numbers with Big Ben. He had two seasons over 1,000 yds. Ironically with Miami in two first years he averaged 900 yds and had 15 TDs. Again...I am not his biggest advocate. I think he will be less than Jeffrey.
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supafly said:

What's your definition of a "reasonable salary," though? I think Wallace is still a 8-10m dollar receiver, and it's not too likely that Belichick is going to pay an outsider more than 2x what they pay Edelman.



That's exactly why I'm fully on board with going after him in free agency. He's like Steve Smith. He's tough, physical, experienced, and he keeps producing. At this point I have no reason to believe that he's worse than Brandon LaFell or Brandon Llyod, especially if it's only for 1 year.

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Based on some of the things i read over the past few seasons, I didn't think Wallace was still considered an 8-10 million dollar receiver. I could be misreading his market. You still think he's thought of highly in the league?

I thought his stock had dropped with the way he's basically been phased out and run out of town with his last two teams. Have also heard some concerns about his character and attitude at times. Hasn't put up great stats since leaving Pitt, although that may have more to do with the QB's he's played with. Add in the fact that he's going to be 30 and his greatest asset has been in his speed, so i didn't think many teams would be lining up to sign him.

Thought he could be one of those candidates to take a 1 year 4-5 million dollar deal with a good QB to put up some good stats and hope to get one last multi-year deal next year.

And yeah I'd love Steve Smith or Boldin. Love the way they play. I remember when Arizona was shopping Boldin , i was so excited when the Pats' name popped up as a possible destination.

Those are two tough physical dudes who you can really on when the going gets tough.

BillBelichickFan79 said:

Based on some of the things i read over the past few seasons, I didn't think Wallace was still considered an 8-10 million dollar receiver. I could be misreading his market. You still think he's thought of highly in the league?

I thought his stock had dropped with the way he's basically been phased out and run out of town with his last two teams. Have also heard some concerns about his character and attitude at times. Hasn't put up great stats since leaving Pitt, although that may have more to do with the QB's he's played with. Add in the fact that he's going to be 30 and his greatest asset has been in his speed, so i didn't think many teams would be lining up to sign him.

Thought he could be one of those candidates to take a 1 year 4-5 million dollar deal with a good QB to put up some good stats and hope to get one last multi-year deal next year.

And yeah I'd love Steve Smith or Boldin. Love the way they play. I remember when Arizona was shopping Boldin , i was so excited when the Pats' name popped up as a possible destination.

Those are two tough physical dudes who you can really on when the going gets tough.

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Maybe it is me who's misreading the market? I didn't realize that he only had about 40 catches last year. I thought he was still doing a little better than that.

Not sure that he's the greatest fit both talent and attitude wise, but if Belichick pulls the trigger I won't be too sad. Surprised, but not sad.

DW Toys said:

The key here is Brady on those numbers, not Tannehill and Teddy B. Big difference. Is that a fair statement?

He had great numbers with Big Ben. He had two seasons over 1,000 yds. Ironically with Miami in two first years he averaged 900 yds and had 15 TDs. Again...I am not his biggest advocate. I think he will be less than Jeffrey.
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You think he "will be less than Jeffrey?"

Alshon Jeffrey will be getting about 13-14m dollars a year no matter what, and there's a possibility that he could even top the pacts given to Thomas and Bryant at 5/70.

I don't think we could expect him to produce anything close to Pittsburgh or even Miami, since both Edelman and Gronk would be seeing targets first.