Brady needs help

Let me start:

I am a die Hard Patriots fan I have been a fan since i was 4 years old.

Win lose or draw I am going to be a pats fan for life but I have a problem.

I think Bill is the greatest football mind of all time but one thing i have never, understood is the lack of a running game for pats past the 2004 season.

The Patriots have had great teams but the offensive line play has never been greatly physical.

Watching the games the Pats seem to get no serious push up front,some times lineman are be pushed into the backfield toward the runner or are on the ground. I played football my whole life and from the time i was in little league getting driven back on a run or pass is a NO!

For a coach that coached for 1980s Giants and believes in physical defense why Bill would not want a more physical running game.

The Offense is so reliant on Brady passing in serious games 40 to 50 times a game wow

Overall yes there have been injuries but still even before run blocking wise have the patriots are not physical.

Tom Brady is going to be 39 years old this season he can not keep going at this pace.

I wish that Brady had a real running game to take some of the pressure off him just like elway in 97-98.

Deion Lewis is a nice pass catching third down back who runs good routes.

LeGarrette Blount is a ok running back who has no real explosion who struggles against good defense Some of it is him some of it is the offensive line.

Yes the patriots can till win sups but man if Brady had a running game the team would be so much better.

Terell Davis basically carried Elway to superbowls It is Bradys time to not have to carry the load.

The patriots must become more physical upfront the carolina panthers run the erhardt perkins offense to and look how much more physical they are up front plus the panthers have a real back.

At the end of the day Bill is the greatest hands down but man Do not let my man Brady keep carrying the team on his back.

This was even more clear in both games vs the giants in both super bowls and the AFC Championship game last week.

If a team has no running game you have Linebacker like Von Miller rush up the field off the edge just like they did Saturday.

With a strong running back game you can not rush hard every down you have to slow down and control your gap and think.

You guys give me yours thoughts on this please.

Please do not say that the game is different now running the ball and playing good defense will never go out of style

I think they should've drafted offensive linemen in the last draft

also this

look at the blocking upfront by dallas

patriots are not a zone blocking team really

but this was great offensive line play

eom said:

I think they should've drafted offensive linemen in the last draft

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Im tired of being soft upfront

PatsfanCP said:

look at the blocking upfront by dallas

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and also look at where they were drafted

eom said:

and also look at where they were drafted

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You are right they are first round offensive lineman but that's good coaching upfront to

I think we should get rid of our o-line coach

eom said:

I think we should get rid of our o-line coach

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lol we did but i have a real feeling that under josh mcdaniels the patriots will never a physical brand of football

I think you partially answered it in your last comment. The Pats are likely going to rely on Brady and the passing game, since that is where the strength lies.

However, you are correct that we need something of a running game. That was obviously the weakness this year, along with the OL.

Brady should not be throwing 40-45 times a game too often, but he should be throwing 30-35, maybe even the high 30s. I think the issue was more in their lack of execution than their volume of attempts, as it was pretty much a 60/40 split, but they basically gave up on it down the stretch due to its ineffectiveness.

PatsfanCP said:

Im tired of being soft upfront

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They have pills for that now. The most famous ones are blue.

PatsfanCP said:

look at the blocking upfront by dallas

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Well, on 1st & 19 it's possible the defense wasn't thinking "run".

supafly said:

I think you partially answered it in your last comment. The Pats are likely going to rely on Brady and the passing game, since that is where the strength lies.

However, you are correct that we need something of a running game. That was obviously the weakness this year, along with the OL.

Brady should not be throwing 40-45 times a game too often, but he should be throwing 30-35, maybe even the high 30s.

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I just know that if the patriots had a real running game the team would be so much more deadly. Imagine playing the patriots where you have to commit defenders to defend the running game no more double teaming gronk or edeleman. It would open so many other things

PatsfanCP said:

I just know that if the patriots had a real running game the team would be so much more deadly. Imagine playing the patriots where you have to commit defenders to defend the running game no more double teaming gronk or edeleman. It would open so many other things

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I'm not as sure as you that it would really change the coverage scheme for a guy like Edelman all that often, but there's no doubting that having at least an average running attack gives us a many positives.

supafly said:

I'm not as sure as you that it would really change the coverage scheme for a guy like Edelman all that often, but there's no doubting that having at least an average running attack gives us a many positives.

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On alot of his underneath stuff guys are waiting on him a running game i really think would help them all

PatsfanCP said:

I think Bill is the greatest football mind of all time but one thing i have never, understood is the lack of a running game for pats past the 2004 season.

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I'll give you a big hint -- what did the NFL do in the offseason after the 2004 season?

PatsfanCP said:

Please do not say that the game is different now running the ball and playing good defense will never go out of style

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You can tell us to not say the sun rises in the east and sets in the west and you'd make just as much sense.

While playing good defense is still important, running the ball HAS gone out of style almost everywhere in the league (see my previous post in the thread). While a team needs to be able do some running to mix things up, passing is dominant, as it should be given how the game is officiated.

Running the ball hasn't gone out of style. What's gone out of style is the idea that you can build an offense primarily around the running game, and more specifically, around a running BACK. Unless you have an Adrian Peterson type that is a transcendent talent, spending big money on a single RB is a poor allocation of resources. The biggest reason most teams are able to run the ball is they have an O-Line that can run block, and an attitude that makes it effective.

It brings me back to the paradox I mentioned in another thread. The only way we're going to "add" a running game to this offense is by improving the offensive line. But if the offensive line had been even adequate last Sunday, we're winning that game WITHOUT a running game, much like we did last year.