The 2016 Patriots Will Be a Juggernaut

PittPatriot said:

It will be a tough schedule next year. We will likely not have HFA in the playoffs...which could road playoff games in Denver or KC or Pittsburgh. That does not leave me very confident. This season hurts. When we look back on Brady's career...2006, 2007, and 2015 will always feel like 3 rings that got away.

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Agreed its a tough schedule, but 07 and '10 also saw us play many elite teams in the regular season. They went 30-2 combined. If this defense picks up where the left off , ol issues are fixed , and we have similar luck with limited major injuries those years, i see a similar season regardless of schedule. Certainly a big if but id be suprised if the first two arent achieved through the offseason.

PATSYLICIOUS said:

They should be considering improvement at ol. The team is returning most of its starters probably the first time in a while theyve been this 'set'.

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Don't suggest this will be a good team once again in 2016, it makes the chicken littles queasier than they usually are.

Ivan said:

What bullsh.t.

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If I could dislike this a million times I would.

Pink hat.

Juggernaut, shmuggernaut. All that matters is this: can they beat every playoff opponent?

ViperGTS said:

If I could dislike this a million times I would.

Pink hat.

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Quitter

ViperGTS said:

If I could dislike this a million times I would.

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That would be the same number of times you have quit on them.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Juggernaut, shmuggernaut. All that matters is this: can they beat every playoff opponent?

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Question is can the DBs play above average? Zero interception returns for TDs. Only 12 INTs vs 24 for Carolina. Denver only had 14 to be fair, but they also had 4 INTs for a TD.

People think the secondary did great this year. It really was only average. The item that makes me hopeful is the passes defenses which is top 10.

2015 NFL Team Defense Stats - National Football League - ESPN

Ivan said:

That would be the same number of times you have quit on them.

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I brings facts not ideas genius.

The most promising aspect of this team heading into 2016 is that they stand to lose very little from the 2015 version. A top 10 defense is returning intact and we should expect Brown, Easley, Jones, Sheard, Hightower, Collins and Butler to all improve.

The only other team in the AFC that stands to bring back this much talent is Pittsburgh. I would view them is the greatest threat in 2016. Denver stands to lose some significant pieces from its roster, Indy gifted us by keeping Grigson/Pagano around, and KC is still run by Andy Reid/Alex Smith.

Offensively, the firing of the OL coach is telling. Something went inherently wrong with the OL - even Soldier and Vollmer played poorly compared with their previously established levels. I expect the line to improve next year even without any vet additions. I don't expect a top of the league unit, but middle of the pack would be good enough.

I'm not going to throw the word "juggernaut" around, but the Pats have to enter 2016 as the favorites to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl, and should be good for another 12 - 4 year.

ViperGTS said:

I brings facts not ideas genius.

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Explain how being consistently fearful and negative about the winningest franchise in football is fact, based?


Most of the people in this forum who get homer crap thrown at them are perfectly capable of criticizing their needs and weaknesses and that's what the discussion in this thread was about, however they also realize they are witnessing the greatest run of football success they will ever see in their lifetimes and enjoy that and appreciate it and don't feel the need to be incessantly worried or negative about them. And the true "pink hats" are actually the people who are really negative about them as they would only follow them if they are winning and have no stomach for tougher times. Personally I have supported them my entire life and never ran off when they were literally a humiliating franchise, whereas you can't even enjoy them at their best, which is where they are at. So if you want to try and make a "fact based argument" then go for it rather than come into a thread and star taking shots at people who are simply discussing their needs and resources. Homer that I am I have them as the team to beat in the AFC next season based on facts and if you can make an argument for someone else then go for it. I'm guessing you can't, we will see?

Ivan said:

Explain how being consistently fearful and negative about the winningest franchise in football is fact, based?


Most of the people in this forum who get homer crap thrown are perfectly capable of criticizing their needs and weaknesses and that's what the discussion in this thread was about, however they also realize they are witnessing the greatest run of football success they will ever see in their lifetimes and enjoy that and appreciate it and don't feel the need to be incessantly worried or negative about them. And the true "pink hats" are actually the people who are really negative about them as they would only follow them if they are winning and have no stomach for tougher times. Personally I have supported them my entire life and never ran off when they were literally a humiliating franchise, whereas you can't even enjoy them at their best, which is where they are at. Ship it'd you want to try and make a "fact based argument" then go for it rather than come into a thread and star taking shots at people who are simply discussing their needs and resources. Homer that I am I have them as the team to beat in the AFC next season based on facts and if you can make an argument for someone else then go for it. I'm guessing you can't, we will see?

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I enjoy success. I've been a fan for years. Don't question my loyalty when I bring out facts as to why I feel next year won't be easy at all. It all depends on what they do so I reserve judgment until that point. But as currently constituted they are flawed.

As great as this team has been since '04, they have as many SB wins as Pey Pey does, and 1 less than Eli and Big Ben. There have been numerous instances of failures that are hard to comprehend with this year being a huge miss. Just because I feel that they may be in trouble next year isn't exactly doom and gloom. If it is, it is.

If they don't sign/trade for a big name receiver, possible a tackle and then a RB then they will go as far as they did this year. Remember, Lafell had the dropsies in Carolina. One year he didn't and that offense clicked. This year he couldn't and we saw the result. We don't need another receiver that isn't the number 1 guy in his correct offense. They need a receiver who demands tier one DB or double coverage.

To point out these needs, plus the hard schedule isn't fearful. It's honest and truthful.

danmateus said:

Bill is pissed. You can tell by the moves coming out over there so far.
I like pissed Bill.
Pissed Bill gets more focused.
Pissed Bill wants to shut up the haters.
Pissed Bill wants one for the thumb.
Be more like pissed Bill.

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I See What You Did There!!

This " one less win than Eli" is exactly the kind of doom and gloom bullish.t I'm talking about, the Patriots have been a much better franchise than the Giants since Belichick got there and everyone knows it, and the fact that you have to crop it to post 2004 makes that clear, you have to cut out 3 Lombardi's just to make your argument.

You made a really weak argument that the Patriots have some needs going into the off-season which isn't telling anyone what they don't already know, and you leave out the fact that they are in the best cap situation of anyone in their division and have few key free agents to sign. And you said nothing about their competition all you did said that they may lose in the AFC Championship, ago you are actually arguing that you have every reason to be pessimistic because they could lose in the AFC Final, wow, that is something to hang yourself over. And you make no argument as to who will be better, when the truth is that their primary competition in the AFC have much bigger problems to deal with, and all it takes is a little research to reveal that.

Go ahead and tell us which opponents in the AFC are in a better situation and why the should be favored to go to the Super Bowl? Should be a fun read if you actually put substance in it. I am more than happy to make the argument for the Patriots and I am pretty certain Vegas will have them as favorites in the AFC next season.

Ivan said:

I am pretty certain Vegas will have them as favorites in the AFC next season.

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And you'd be right...and not just the AFC.

2016 Super Bowl Odds

Like I always say: The only thing worse than being a Patriots Fan...

...is being a Fan of any other Team.

mgteich said:

Identical?

You mean with our 2 Super Bowl starters on IR?

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Chances are excellent that some 2 of the 5 projected starters on the OL will finish next season on IR again, including probably Solder or Vollmer, so it would behoove Bill to upgrade the overall talent level so that useless crap like Cannon, Fleming & Kline never, ever have to take meaningful snaps whenever Brady is under center.

Off The Grid said:

And you'd be right...and not just the AFC.

2016 Super Bowl Odds

Like I always say: The only thing worse than being a Patriots Fan...

...is being a Fan of any other Team.

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Vegas is just a bunch of Patriot homers.

The pink hats are just being realists, they know Eli is better.

Great thread. I feel confident that BB will know exactly what the best places are to improve the team (at least better than any of us - although it is fun to speculate and is what makes some of us happy) and I also know that he and the players are only human and are sure to make mistakes, we can either live with the mistakes that these people make, or we can choose (not sure it ever was a choice) a different team if it gets too annoying. Let's just be grateful that we don't have to dissect a different franchise. This one that I pull for is damn good.

Ivan said:

This " one less win than Eli" is exactly the kind of doom and gloom bullish.t I'm talking about, the Patriots have been a much better franchise than the Giants since Belichick got there and everyone knows it, and the fact that you have to crop it to post 2004 makes that clear, you have to cut out 3 Lombardi's just to make your argument.

You made a really weak argument that the Patriots have some needs going into the off-season which isn't telling anyone what they don't already know, and you leave out the fact that they are in the best cap situation of anyone in their division and have few key free agents to sign. And you said nothing about their competition all you did said that they may lose in the AFC Championship, ago you are actually arguing that you have every reason to be pessimistic because they could lose in the AFC Final, wow, that is something to hang yourself over. And you make no argument as to who will be better, when the truth is that their primary competition in the AFC have much bigger problems to deal with, and all it takes is a little research to reveal that.

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Go ahead and tell us which opponents in the AFC are in a better situation and why the should be favored to go to the Super Bowl? Should be a fun read if you actually put substance in it. I am more than happy to make the argument for the Patriots and I am pretty certain Vegas will have them as favorites in the AFC next season.

Yes, they have 3 Lombardis pre '05. They have ONE post '05. Lots of teams in the NFL have ONE in that time frame. The Cowboys won 3 in the 90s. If 10 years later they won one it would have zero to do with the first 3. Zero. They would be compared to their contemporaries, right? So your argument that Eli has two is doom and gloom BS is idiotic. It's truth. Since they've been in the league, Ben and Eli have 2. You can sugarcoat it all you want, and get people to think you have a real argument.

Newsflash. You don't. Go get your Pats pompoms and go to the cheerleader tryouts. You obviously have nothing quantifiable to contribute to this discussion.

ViperGTS said:

Go ahead and tell us which opponents in the AFC are in a better situation and why the should be favored to go to the Super Bowl? Should be a fun read if you actually put substance in it. I am more than happy to make the argument for the Patriots and I am pretty certain Vegas will have them as favorites in the AFC next season.

Yes, they have 3 Lombardis pre '05. They have ONE post '05. Lots of teams in the NFL have ONE in that time frame. The Cowboys won 3 in the 90s. If 10 years later they won one it would have zero to do with the first 3. Zero. They would be compared to their contemporaries, right? So your argument that Eli has two is doom and gloom BS is idiotic. It's truth. Since they've been in the league, Ben and Eli have 2. You can sugarcoat it all you want, and get people to think you have a real argument.

Newsflash. You don't. Go get your Pats pompoms and go to the cheerleader tryouts. You obviously have nothing quantifiable to contribute to this discussion.

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Didn't think you could do it.

Pink hat quitter

You go have a good cry now. Get it all out.

ViperGTS said:

Go ahead and tell us which opponents in the AFC are in a better situation and why the should be favored to go to the Super Bowl? Should be a fun read if you actually put substance in it. I am more than happy to make the argument for the Patriots and I am pretty certain Vegas will have them as favorites in the AFC next season.

Yes, they have 3 Lombardis pre '05. They have ONE post '05. Lots of teams in the NFL have ONE in that time frame. The Cowboys won 3 in the 90s. If 10 years later they won one it would have zero to do with the first 3. Zero. They would be compared to their contemporaries, right? So your argument that Eli has two is doom and gloom BS is idiotic. It's truth. Since they've been in the league, Ben and Eli have 2. You can sugarcoat it all you want, and get people to think you have a real argument.

Newsflash. You don't. Go get your Pats pompoms and go to the cheerleader tryouts. You obviously have nothing quantifiable to contribute to this discussion.

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Good luck to your panthers

Oh, and to your Warriors, Blackhawks, and Royals as well.