(Realistic) 2016 Draft Targets and Binkies

manxman2601 said:

He was developmental when we drafted him at least.

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Yeah, wish he could have shown a lot more than we've seen so far unfortunately.

manxman2601 said:

Yup seen it. Here's the thing about Miller's showcase at the Senior Bowl. There's so much wasted movement in a lot of his routes and yet he still gets open with relative ease. Once he tidies up his feet it's going to be next to impossible for a corner to hang with him.

I saw a tweet on day 2 from Matt Miller, I believe, which said Miller was either getting open or getting held on every route he ran - he was never covered. And this is after only one season playing the position.

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What do you think it would take to move to the top 1/3 of the 2nd round if Miller still happens to be there? Think BB would pull the trigger for a 2nd and a 3rd?

Simple Jack's Brother said:

What do you think it would take to move to the top 1/3 of the 2nd round if Miller still happens to be there? Think BB would pull the trigger for a 2nd and a 3rd?

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Tough to know. I suspect he might end up fairly high on their board but giving up two picks for a WR? With the complexity of this offense? I'm not so sure about that.

manxman2601 said:

Tough to know. I suspect he might end up fairly high on their board but giving up two picks for a WR? With the complexity of this offense? I'm not so sure about that.

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Either way, i hope we get a WR that can take heat off Gronk and Edelman, whether through the draft or FA. Sounds like Miller might fit the bill, but at what cost. I assume he's going to blow up the combine. As long as he runs a sub 7 three-cone drill, the Pats will stay interested.

Steelers are interested in Miller as well, because apparently, they don't have enough pain in the ass WRs.

@manxman2601 has convinced me that I was being too hard on Miller, and his good week has helped to alleviate my concerns about sloppy route running, but I still find it difficult to think that we'd take him due to various reasons.

Peachhead said:

RB/CB/KR Brandon Wilson, University of Houston
WR Will Fuller, Notre Dame
LBs Joshua Perry and Derron Lee, Ohio St.
RB C.J. Prosise, Notre Dame
CB/KR Cyrus Jones, Alabama
OC/OG Sebastian Tretola*, Arkansas
OC Mitch Smothers*, Arkansas

*if we're gonna stick with a similar scheme of the last few years instead of going back to Dante's ZBS.

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Those LBs are the real thing. No doubt about that one, and when McMillan comes out he'll be good as well.

DW Toys said:

At 6'2" and 220 lbs more of an Anquan Bolden type.
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I don't really agree with the comparison at all, DW.

I think Boldin (who's a FA, by the way, and could likely contribute here for one year) is a much more physical type of receiver, whereas Braxton Miller is more of a Percy Harvin type who relies on his quickness, explosiveness, and versatility.

supafly said:

Steelers are interested in Miller as well, because apparently, they don't have enough pain in the ass WRs.

@manxman2601 has convinced me that I was being too hard on Miller, and his good week has helped to alleviate my concerns about sloppy route running, but I still find it difficult to think that we'd take him due to various reasons.

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you were doing so well and was going to earn yourself a 'like' and then you had to go and ruin it

Just a reminder here: the realistic describes draft targets only. Binkies, by definition, don't have to be realistic.

Simple Jack's Brother said:

What do you think it would take to move to the top 1/3 of the 2nd round if Miller still happens to be there? Think BB would pull the trigger for a 2nd and a 3rd?

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Given that he still has the second-overall comp pick in his pocket, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he moved up. How far he can move up with that 3 I'm not sure.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Given that he still has the second-overall comp pick in his pocket, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he moved up. How far he can move up with that 3 I'm not sure.

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We can't trade compensation picks this year just FYI.

Simple Jack's Brother said:

We can't trade compensation picks this year just FYI.

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I know. "That 3" was the one they can trade.

John Theus, OT, Georgia, 6-7 315
Paul McRoberts, WR, SE Missouri St, 6-2 202

I want a tackle with a good wing span that can at least make pass rushers run further to get around him. Both Vollmer (ankle) and Cannon (toe) were having trouble forcing Ware or Miller out wide.

McRoberts appears to have a good catch radius and decent speed. Ohio Valley Conference is not well know.

I would like to see us draft for the offense. We have a lot of offensive players with a lot of injury history: Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Lewis, both tackles. 2014 was the exception where they stayed relatively healthy. Even Stork has had 2 concussions in 2 years, one requiring IR-DFR.

Not sure if Theus is any good, but he played in the SEC and is ranked #77 on CBS Sports Draft site. McRoberts was ranked around #100. I don't put much stock in pre-draft rankings, but I scanned a range of players and these two caught my eye.

micronin127 said:

John Theus, OT, Georgia, 6-7 315
Paul McRoberts, WR, SE Missouri St, 6-2 202

I want a tackle with a good wing span that can at least make pass rushers run further to get around him. Both Vollmer (ankle) and Cannon (toe) were having trouble forcing Ware or Miller out wide.

McRoberts appears to have a good catch radius and decent speed. Ohio Valley Conference is not well know.

I would like to see us draft for the offense. We have a lot of offensive players with a lot of injury history: Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Lewis, both tackles. 2014 was the exception where they stayed relatively healthy. Even Stork has had 2 concussions in 2 years, one requiring IR-DFR.

Not sure if Theus is any good, but he played in the SEC and is ranked #77 on CBS Sports Draft site. McRoberts was ranked around #100. I don't put much stock in pre-draft rankings, but I scanned a range of players and these two caught my eye.

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Appreciate the info. I'll have to see if i can catch any highlights of those two on youtube or elsewhere.

supafly said:

I don't really agree with the comparison at all, DW.

I think Boldin (who's a FA, by the way, and could likely contribute here for one year) is a much more physical type of receiver, whereas Braxton Miller is more of a Percy Harvin type who relies on his quickness, explosiveness, and versatility.

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Sup. Watched him in Sr. Bowl practice. Was dishing out the physical.
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Simple Jack's Brother said:

Appreciate the info. I'll have to see if i can catch any highlights of those two on youtube or elsewhere.

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Liked the OT from GA. Seems to have a mean streak.
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Miller may have had himself a great week in practice, but as per usual, had a meh game. In fact he helped that Pats if they are truly interested, he may fall to them in the 2nd round. Really depends on the combine now. If he does run the 4.3 he claims he can do, that will help him. Kinda like Devin Smith's 4.3 in the combine pushed him into the 2nd round despite only catching 30+ passes (like Miller).

I really don't want to invest capital into a project WR.

scott99 said:

Miller may have had himself a great week in practice, but as per usual, had a meh game. In fact he helped that Pats if they are truly interested, he may fall to them in the 2nd round. Really depends on the combine now. If he does run the 4.3 he claims he can do, that will help him. Kinda like Devin Smith's 4.3 in the combine pushed him into the 2nd round despite only catching 30+ passes (like Miller).

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Smith made the most of his opportunities and was clearly one of the strong points of that Buckeye offense. His ability to track the ball at its high point allowed him to become the vertical kind of threat that every team hopes for. I believe that the main reason why he slid into the top of the 2nd round was due to the overall talent of the draft, pushing him down a bit. I think he could've gone in the first round in some years. As a matter of fact, from our perspective, we need to hope that Smith doesn't pan out for the Jets because if he does...damn. He has the capacity to be a game changer, and is also excellent on ST. The thought of defending Marshall, Smith, and Decker is something that I'd rather not deal with.

Miller, on the other hand, has the raw talent that we've all seen from his QB days, but is very unpolished in his route running (in my opinion, purely as an OSU fan who watched their games). I am no draft guru, far from it, so I could be off. I just feel as though Miller is a very raw player who is going to need some time to flourish at his position, and that never really happened last season for the Buckeyes, for whatever reason. We all know that he has the talent and quickness, but the big question is how that may/may not translate to the NFL level, particularly in our type of offense.

VectorPrime said:

I really don't want to invest capital into a project WR.

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Understood. If you made me take a side, I'd likely side with you.

On the other hand, we are going into the draft with a lot of our roster already taken care of, so once again, the draft will prove to be a bit of a luxury for a lot of the picks (aside from a couple/few of the positions where we "know" we need to select). Understanding that Belichick keeps the cupboard stocked and that we can afford to lose out on a high round draft pick, the athleticism from Miller alone may be worth consideration.