McCann: Going to be a very tense hearing on Deflategate.

I feel like i am watching "Making a murderer" all over again

Just indict Goodell and threaten him with attachment to Bubba's belt loop in federal prison and he'll testify against his own mother. This scumbag has been lying since he was farted from the womb.Time that justice squashed this lying bug under its' bootheel.

So why didn't they hire the fancy "good" lawyers from the start?

Todd Bradley said:

I'm no lawyer by any stretch of the imagination, but isn't it virtually impossible for Berman's ruling to be overturned?

I thought when the ruling was made people like Florio said it written with a "poison pill" so to speak, where any overturning would get sent back to Berman and he would subsequently deny the NFL again and so on and so forth...

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You're conflating two subjects:

• How likely is the NFL to win this round of its appeal?
• If the NFL wins this round, will Brady's suspension be reinstated?

Joker said:

Just indict Goodell

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For what?

Fencer said:

For what?

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Fraud.

It will be interesting to see how expensive lawyers put, "I can make it up as I go along because that's what article 46 says" in legalese.

The reality of them moving the goalposts for the punishment is because they can't argue article 46 unless the situation is some type of scheme that is meant to undermine the competitive fairness of the game. But trying to equate the release (imagined, not even real) to a team throwing games would be a leap in logic like using baking soda and vinegar and expecting a 300 megaton bomb to go off.

Fencer said:

For what?

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ongoing organized criminal conspiracy...a RICO case...plus fraud

denverpatsfan said:

So why didn't they hire the fancy "good" lawyers from the start?

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They didn't believe they needed them.

It's really telling that they hired Clement, they had to believe they were in deep sh.t to, go and hire a former Solicitor General to argue this case, and imo it indicates they won't argue the Brady case at all but rather they will try to treat is as some universal precedent for all of American labor if Brady wins.

VectorPrime said:

Justice Berman CLEARLY took into account factors that technically weren't relevant to the specific case of Goodell and the CBA.

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He may have, but that's not a good thing. It opens the door to his ruling being attacked for considering things he shouldn't have.

denverpatsfan said:

So why didn't they hire the fancy "good" lawyers from the start?

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Because appellate lawyering and trial lawyering involve different skills. Clement is an appellate specialist. I bet he hasn't tried a case in ages.

Fencer said:

You're conflating two subjects:

• How likely is the NFL to win this round of its appeal?
• If the NFL wins this round, will Brady's suspension be reinstated?

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With respect to the second bullet, it depends on what the CA2 panel decides. If they vacate Berman's decision and also agree with the NFL that even the things Berman didn't consider isn't enough to undo Goodell's arbitral award, then Brady's suspension will be reinstated then and there.

If they vacate Berman's decision but remand the case back to him to consider the things left unconsidered the first time around, it depends. They will likely consider both what they believe the NFL's chances of ultimate success are and weigh that against the fact that the case would likely become moot if Brady serves the suspension before Berman can render a decision on remand.

Galeb said:

Fraud.

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That's rarely charged as a criminal offense.

Joker said:

ongoing organized criminal conspiracy...a RICO case...plus fraud

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RICO cases can be civil.

sb1 said:

I wonder what's next.My money is on NFL says Brady himself took the footballs into the bathroom with a needle.

This must end with a defamation suit. No way they can keep happily falsely painting a worse and worse picture of the story to get the ruling they want without being held accountable.

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There isn't going to be a defamation suit. You should forget about that entirely. It's not happening.

Todd Bradley said:

I'm no lawyer by any stretch of the imagination, but isn't it virtually impossible for Berman's ruling to be overturned?

I thought when the ruling was made people like Florio said it written with a "poison pill" so to speak, where any overturning would get sent back to Berman and he would subsequently deny the NFL again and so on and so forth...

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I believe it called also be sent back for an arbitration do-over.

lol

peyton's hgh use gets swept under the rug

and they are pulling out all the stops to nail brady for *possible* ball deflation

i guess we know who the fair haired boy is

sometimes life isnt fair....preferential treatment happens all the time with VIPs like peyton

we just have to suck it up as fans and keep moving forward

james87654 said:

lol

peyton's hgh use gets swept under the rug

and they are pulling out all the stops to nail brady for *possible* ball deflation

i guess we know who the fair haired boy is

sometimes life isnt fair....preferential treatment happens all the time with VIPs like peyton

we just have to suck it up as fans and keep moving forward

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Difference is Brady had some built in popular resentment. The ugliness of envy was one of the Wells the NFL was going to. Manning while adored by the NFL and media is an abnormally large forehead, dopey snake oil pitch man who was known for usually choking in the biggest games. Also he isn't coached by a Sith lord ).
Brady is the good looking guy, model wife, select endorsement pitch man, seemingly broke up with a pregnant girlfriend, the competitive outbursts, always in the thick of the biggest games, and! coached by the Sith lord. Brady fit the profile with all that (and a few other warped reality things too) and was prime for attacking by an entity which would be under attack itself unless it is attacking a 'popular to attack target' elsewhere.

The human condition has its good and its bad. Envy and the need to have visceral reactions validated shockingly fall to the bad side.

All this legal BS by the NFL just makes my blood boil because the basic fact is...

No matter the outcome of the appeal....the Patriots don't get their first round draft pick back !!!

Dr Pain said:

McNally and Jastremski have the best route not being in the union and not public figures. They have been publicly accused of being a party to fraud with zero evidence. If they are reading this I am certain they can get lawyers who will sue in federal court in Massachusetts on a contingency basis. The discovery against the NFL would be epic.

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Brady actually has a strong case (at least for a celebrity) if he chooses to go that route, the NFL's own report said that Brady was only "more likely than not" "generally aware" of the balls being tampering with. The NFL has upped the rhetoric by saying that Brady is the mastermind of a cheating enterprise to make their appeals stronger, but there is no evidence of that by their own investigation. So they are knowingly accusing Brady of something they know they have no proof to strengthen their appeal and rolling the dice that Brady won't sue for defamation.