OT: Cam Newton & the race card

RhodyPatriot · Jan 29, 2016

Tom Brady is hated. Hated nationally. Hated because he wins. Hated because he is the pretty boy with the model wife.
Cam Newton isn't hated. Not even close.
This whole topic is media manufactured nonsense.

RhodyPatriot · Jan 29, 2016

robertweathers said:
I'm clearly missing something. What does his race have to do with self promotion?

What did Newton say about black QBs?

He said people find him scary because he's a black QB.

He wishes he had that kind of impact.
Those yogurt commercials are downright frightening aren't they??

BTTA · Jan 29, 2016

Tunescribe said:
Curious how you calculated 400 years of slavery ...

I'm not stuck on that number. It depends on where you start the clock ticking on history, which as much as anything is related to the geography/political focus.

The practice in the US of justifying slavery based on race is a tradition passed on from the British colonies which was an extension of black slaves being brought to Europe, which began at least as early as the 1300's. That was as much about religion as race (Christians enslaving Muslims), apparently (I wasn't there, as far as I know). There's an argument to be made that the justification for slavery of the British colonists was at first religious, but when the slaves converted to Christianity, they needed another reason, and settled on race. But like almost everything posted on this Board about this complex subject, that's probably overly simplistic.

Slavery itself is a lot older, of course, but that's as good a starting point for the use of race to justify as history seems to tell us.

Nunchucks · Jan 29, 2016

aluminum seats said:
"Moving the ball forward" is of course really vague, but Obama had a tremendous opportunity to improve race relations in this country, and failed miserably.

How would he have improved relations? I just see that Obama managed to bring race back to the forefront of our national discussion and polarized the nation in 2 ways. First, he became the focus for lots of unwarranted hate from overt racists and second, hate from racists in denial.

Galeb · Jan 29, 2016

Tunescribe said:
Curious how you calculated 400 years of slavery ...

Even if you count the slavery in the Caribbean from early Spanish Colonies, 400 years would bring you past 1900.

Snake Eyes · Jan 29, 2016

Fencer said:
We're at a point in US history where many people's dislike of a public figure can be AMPLIFIED due to prejudice. However, a thankfully smaller fraction of the population dislikes people who, if they were of a different race or sex or whatever, they'd outright like.

In politics, for example, there are lots of reasons in this divided country for people to dislike Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. But the venomous hatred directed at them far exceeds what's been shown for any white male politician of similar leanings.

Political leanings are very different from political actions, which Hillary and Obama take, as opposed to someone who simply voices an opinion without actually doing anything.

Did Bush inspire the same kind of hatred inspires in people? Probably more.

Snake Eyes · Jan 29, 2016

Nunchucks said:
First, he became the focus for lots of warranted hate from overt racists and second, hate from racists in denial.

Of course, if someone hates Obama they're obviously a racist.

Nunchucks · Jan 29, 2016

Snake Eyes said:
Political leanings are very different from political actions, which Hillary and Obama take, as opposed to someone who simply voices an opinion without actually doing anything.

Did Bush inspire the same kind of hatred inspires in people? Probably more.

Bush gave huge tax cuts to the wealthy that we couldn't afford and started the Iraq war. Then at the end of his term, botched the Katrina relief efforts, and he presided over the greatest financial collapse since the great depression....WTF man? He deserves that scorn...lets not forget that after 9/11 Bush also had some of the highest favorability ratings ever for a president...he squandered it all.

Nunchucks · Jan 29, 2016

Snake Eyes said:
Of course, if someone hates Obama they're obviously a racist.

Racists in denial...Dislike his policies if you want, but you cannot see what you don't wish to see.

RhodyPatriot · Jan 29, 2016

Stu Pidassle said:
I totally agree. Newton has the talent and has demonstrated the dedication and focus required to be a great QB. He is someone that a fan of the NFL wants to embrace. That said, criticism comes with the territory. He obviously has a short memory and a front runner mentality. During his first few years the veterans on the team were making public statements that he needed to handle adversity better and not be so hard on himself for the betterment of the team. He would be well served by remembering that he was treated fairly by the same people when things were rough who now do not appreciate him for being so ****y when things are going well. Unless his outlook and style of play change he has no chance of being GOAT.

Well said!

RhodyPatriot · Jan 29, 2016

Nunchucks said:
Racists in denial...Dislike his policies if you want, but you cannot see what you don't wish to see.

Just as you see things that are not there.

aluminum seats · Jan 29, 2016

Nunchucks said:
How would he have improved relations?

If you can't envision how the first black president could have possibly improved race relations, I don't know what to tell you.

Nunchucks · Jan 29, 2016

aluminum seats said:
If you can't envision how the first black president could have possibly improved race relations, I don't know what to tell you.

Obama is an American. Just because he has the same skin color as other people doesn't give him some special power over the group of people that also have the same skin color. What about skin color gives people these special powers?

What he did was bring out the haters....which is good. Because the first thing you have to do when you have a problem is to acknowledge that problem. We were in deep denial, but folks are starting to wake up and see....the statistics tell the true story of racism in this country, if you care to look.

Triumph · Jan 29, 2016

meatface said:
and yet somehow he doesn't get any carp for it

For me, Watt looks like a sap dancing and posing when his team is losing the game.

RhodyPatriot · Jan 29, 2016

PatCat said:
Even as a Pats fan I really like Cam and will be pulling for him in the Superbowl. As for the race card, whatever. If your OK with Gronk Spikes you should be OK with the DAB. Politically correct and football should have no relation. LET THE FREAKING GUYS HAVE FUN IN THE END ZONE. WHITE, BLACK OR GREEN.

Really?? A spike in the end zone is the same thing as a minute long look-at-me dance routine??
It's OK to call guys out for being self promoting divas and Fig is a self promoting diva.

Triumph · Jan 29, 2016

Nunchucks said:
Obama is an American. Just because he has the same skin color as other people doesn't give him some special power over the group of people that also have the same skin color. What about skin color gives people these special powers?

What he did was bring out the haters....which is good. Because the first thing you have to do when you have a problem is to acknowledge that problem. We were in deep denial, but folks are starting to wake up and see....the statistics tell the true story of racism in this country, if you care to look.

He sided with the thugs in Ferguson over Police brutality that never happened.

Then told them that he had their backs as the burned and looted. Fine job indeed!

RhodyPatriot · Jan 29, 2016

Nunchucks said:
Obama is an American. Just because he has the same skin color as other people doesn't give him some special power over the group of people that also have the same skin color. What about skin color gives people these special powers?

What he did was bring out the haters....which is good. Because the first thing you have to do when you have a problem is to acknowledge that problem. We were in deep denial, but folks are starting to wake up and see....the statistics tell the true story of racism in this country, if you care to look.

Agree completely about the denial but you've got it backwards.
There is no community in America where racism is as open and virulent than what is coming from the black community. That community is where the attitudes need to change if we are to move forward.

aluminum seats · Jan 29, 2016

Nunchucks said:
Obama is an American. Just because he has the same skin color as other people...

And you talk about deep denial. Wow.

The Brandon Five · Jan 29, 2016

betterthanthealternative said:
I'm not stuck on that number. It depends on where you start the clock ticking on history, which as much as anything is related to the geography/political focus.

The practice in the US of justifying slavery based on race is a tradition passed on from the British colonies which was an extension of black slaves being brought to Europe, which began at least as early as the 1300's. That was as much about religion as race (Christians enslavinTg Muslims), apparently (I wasn't there, as far as I know). There's an argument to be made that the justification for slavery of the British colonists was at first religious, but when the slaves converted to Christianity, they needed another reason, and settled on race. But like almost everything posted on this Board about this complex subject, that's probably overly simplistic.

Slavery itself is a lot older, of course, but that's as good a starting point for the use of race to justify as history seems to tell us.

It is interesting to me that the majority of slaves transported across the Atlantic Ocean did not wind up in the American Colonies or the U.S. The number one destination was Brazil.

Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Code:

Distribution of slaves (1519–1867)[95]
Destination          Percentage
Portuguese America     38.5%
British America        18.4%
(minus North America)
Spanish Empire         17.5%
French Americas        13.6%
British North America   6.45%
English Americas        3.25%
Dutch West Indies       2.0%
Danish West Indies      0.3%

I don't know enough about race relations in Brazil, but a cursory glance at some stats shows me that they the racial makeup is a little more balanced (maybe because Brazil did not have as much European immigration as the U.S. post-slavery: they prohibited immigration by anyone who wasn't Portuguese) Brazil also did not abolish slavery until 1888. So Brazil might be a good place to look for common threads or differences to understand the impact of slavery on race relations.

meatface · Jan 29, 2016

Triumph said:
For me, Watt looks like a sap dancing and posing when his team is losing the game.

oh yeah he is, but the media gobbles it up

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