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Sciz said:

Is he worth double what Edelman is making? That seems to be what people are projecting. I'd expect the Browns (now coached by his old OC) to be throwing a lot of money at him to be their borderline #1 or #2 receiver as they see if Gordon is ready to be a #1 again. It's really hard to sign a free agent when another team values him like a possible #1 and the Pats just need a guy to clear things out for Gronk and Edelman.

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That's my argument for trading Jones since he's not worth 2X what you're paying Sheard.

Brady's 39 next year. I agree somewat about getting him an outside wr. Lafell was awful. Gronk only showed up. This team just needs to stay healthy. Sucks not having that first round pick this year

The schdule next year's brutal. Lafell's not the answer. I don't wanna hear about dobson anymore. The guy's a bust

Yep Playoffs Teams on the Road I have already circled that @ Denver Game as a loss.

English Patriot said:

Again, Jeffrey is a starting point. I just want someone who can take the pressure of off Tom, Gronk and Jules and as posted by someone above, keep the opposition honest.

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The deep threat position on the Patriots is one that will see about 60-70 targets a year total and they aren't going to pay 10 million plus for it unless it's a HOF caliber player like Moss was, and none of those are going to be available unless they somehow convinced Cleveland to give them Gordon for next to nothing, and that's not happening either. Imo the draft its the best to fill it unless they have some undiscovered talent in mind that's not obvious to everyone, as Dion Lewis was set RB.

PatriotsPimp136 said:

The schdule next year's brutal. Lafell's not the answer. I don't wanna hear about dobson anymore. The guy's a bust

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I think people conflate LaFells role with that of Dobson when in truth Dobson is competing with Tyms and LaFell is in the role Givens and a Gaffney played.

Some here are talking about getting rid of Amendola, Dobson, and LaFell and imo that's crazy. You don't help Brady or this team one bit by getting rid of those three all you do is create a huge need where there wasn't one. Thats not a good way to complete building a team, which is where they are heading imo.

Sciz said:

All these teams with these outside receivers also don't have a Gronk on their team. Let's stop acting like Brady is throwing to nobody. His best receiver is better than almost every other QB's best receiver, and it's really kind of offensive to Gronk that he's completely disregarded in all of these "weapons" arguments.

It seems to be widely believed that Jeffery is going to get in the range of $12 to 14 million per year. Do people actually want the Pats to be the team that pays that?

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Sciz,
We are paying LaFell, Dobson Chandler and Amendola over $13mm.

OK........On this forum, How many would swap those four for Jeffery in a heart beat? With all due respect to Danny because he is a warrior, is the Team better by adding Alshon Jefferey at the same $ as these other guys.......yes or no?

Would Jeffrey, Gronk and Edelman with White and or Lewis out of the backfield be pretty sporty for TB? Of course a running game helps. A Coby Fleener might be cheaper ot just add him. 6'6" with 5,54 speed at the old AH "H" back set.

Matt Forte would be a great add if you can steal him.

Another steal might be Kelvin Beachum from the Steelers. He had an ACL but was a starter on the rise at OLT. They can't afford to bid for him. He is 25 years old and much better than Cannon or Flemming and maybe on par with Solder.
DW Toys

What Brady deserves is rings.
The Patriots approach to personnel has gotten him as many as anyone ever, and gotten him closer to more of them than anyone ever.
There are limited resources. We get few draft picks where stud players are even on the board. The league has a cap.
If those resources are spent by giving an average group of receivers to greatest QB ever SO THAT the rest of the team can be strong, since Brady will make any average group of receivers productive at near top of the league levels, why are we complaining?
Lets become the Saints so we can say we gave Brady people to throw to and made his life easier, instead of winning.

This argument is getting old. WR's are without a doubt the most over rated high expense position on the field on football. You are talking about a player who will see at most 10 balls a game. That's about 1 out of 7 plays per game and for this you want to give up 10% of the cap? I like what OTG calls them hood ornaments cuz they look pretty and sparkle and add value to the final price but they mean squat if the engine and transmission are ****. On top of which it doesn't suit the drivers skills. Tom Brady is without doubt the GOAT QB to ever play but he does not throw the long high arching passes well. That 4th down bomb to gronk non withstanding he constantly over throws them. 2007 was a fluky year where everything worked. If all it took was Brady and moss why were they not completing bombs all day long in 2009? This team and QB don't need a Julio Jones or alshon Jeffery it needs a bigger willing to block receiver that excels at the 12 yard in or the 15 yard back shoulder fade that has just enough speed to get deep on PA or a double move. 2014 lafell or 2004 David givens are perfect examples. They stretch the field horizontally and take pressure off the middle and DON'T break the bank.

Sciz said:

All these teams with these outside receivers also don't have a Gronk on their team. Let's stop acting like Brady is throwing to nobody. His best receiver is better than almost every other QB's best receiver, and it's really kind of offensive to Gronk that he's completely disregarded in all of these "weapons" arguments.

It seems to be widely believed that Jeffery is going to get in the range of $12 to 14 million per year. Do people actually want the Pats to be the team that pays that?

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On at least three occasions on Sunday the Patriots had a chance to hit a big play deep. The fourth down bomb to Gronk (which they got), and two sideline patterns to White that *JUSTMISSED* by a fingertip.

None of them were thrown to a traditional wide receiver, but who cares?

That said, of course I'd love an Alshon Jeffrey. He's a very good receiver, and if he has the smarts to play in this system and wouldn't cost too much, heck yeah. Those are two big Ifs though.

Remember that year when the pats had Randy Moss the greatest deep threat receiver in nfl history and they played that big game and they couldn't score because the o line was getting owned by the Giants d line? How did that deep threat work out that game?


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DW Toys said:

Sciz,
We are paying LaFell, Dobson Chandler and Amendola over $13mm.

OK........On this forum, How many would swap those four for Jeffery in a heart beat? With all due respect to Danny because he is a warrior, is the Team better by adding Alshon Jefferey at the same $ as these other guys.......yes or no?

Would Jeffrey, Gronk and Edelman with White and or Lewis out of the backfield be pretty sporty for TB? Of course a running game helps. A Coby Fleener might be cheaper ot just add him. 6'6" with 5,54 speed at the old AH "H" back set.

Matt Forte would be a great add if you can steal him.

Another steal might be Kelvin Beachum from the Steelers. He had an ACL but was a starter on the rise at OLT. They can't afford to bid for him. He is 25 years old and much better than Cannon or Flemming and maybe on par with Solder.
DW Toys

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You're making a false dichotomy between those four players and Jeffery. My option there is obvious to not spend that much on those guys or Jeffery but to spend it elsewhere instead, which conveniently is one of the options the Pats have, and almost definitely what they'll do.

As for the rest it your post...we can already see it in your thread and it's not really relevant here at all so I'll let people respond to it there instead.

I'm so confused. We lost because we don't have a deep threat go-to guy?

Meanwhile we won last year without one. The Seahawks won the year before without one. Denver and Carolina don't really have one. One might argue Thomas for Denver, but he certainly hasn't been utilized as such and got shut down by Logan Ryan of all people. The Ravens won with Anquan Boldin, a possession receiver. They faced a 49ers team featuring an over-rated Crabtree. None of those guys qualify for what you are proposing here.

We didn't lose because of a lack of a deep threat. And I don't even know what the point of having one this game would have been. Brady had pressure on him on pretty much every single snap. How exactly does he manufacture 4 or 5 more seconds to throw a deep ball downfield consistently?

This is ridiculous. We won without it. Other teams have won without it. To say we need it is just plain wrong.

Lotta good a deep threat does when Brady has less than 2.5 seconds to throw...

I gave up on this topic a long time ago ........
Stretch the field was a great concept when WR's were faster than DB's ... a few decades ago at least.
Brady is not even an accurate deep passer ... which makes the concept even more confusing for this team.

Belichick built a great team this year ... too many crucial players lost to injury.

You dont think Brian Tyms will suffice as a deep threat?

convertedpatsfan said:

I'm so confused. We lost because we don't have a deep threat go-to guy?

Meanwhile we won last year without one. The Seahawks won the year before without one. Denver and Carolina don't really have one. One might argue Thomas for Denver, but he certainly hasn't been utilized as such and got shut down by Logan Ryan of all people. The Ravens won with Anquan Boldin, a possession receiver. They faced a 49ers team featuring an over-rated Crabtree. None of those guys qualify for what you are proposing here.

We didn't lose because of a lack of a deep threat. And I don't even know what the point of having one this game would have been. Brady had pressure on him on pretty much every single snap. How exactly does he manufacture 4 or 5 more seconds to throw a deep ball downfield consistently?

This is ridiculous. We won without it. Other teams have won without it. To say we need it is just plain wrong.

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? Denver doesn't have one? They have 2. Both Thomas and especially Sanders are deep threats. Both can beat 1 on 1 coverage deep and Sanders is one of the best deep receivers in the league. When the Ravens won they had T. Smith who was known for being a deep receiver.

Of the seven receivers mentioned in the opening post, how many have won a Super Bowl?

Zero.


While the position will indeed have changes during the off-season - LaFell and Dobson will surely be replaced - signing a fantasy football stud is neither a priority nor the key to winning another championship.