Gronk was WIDE open on the conversion

ivanvamp said:

Football is the ultimate team game. Brady got totally killed all game long, and was under pressure on the 2-point conversion as well.

And yet..... he should have made that play, and even in a moment of total honesty (not just playing the humble leader for the cameras), he would, I'm pretty sure, say he just missed this one.

The first second after that ball was snapped he should have been able to see what would be open, given how Denver reacted to the two receivers right of the hash marks.

Obviously Brady is incredible and anyone can make a mistake and lord knows he's been amazing. But he didn't get this one right. Huge bummer, but there it is. Gronk was indeed wide open.

Click to expand...

I see a defender and Edelman right in the throwing lane, but it does look like Gronk is breaking open. It also looks like with a good low throw Edelman could catch the ball and sit down in the end zone. I also think the guy blowing past Cannon alters the throw enough to prevent a good throw.

But if he had seen it I think Gronk makes the catch. I'm guessing Gronk is the third read and he though Edelman flashed open. Too bad.

Take a look at the 4 stills from the other page. Ware eats Volmer alive on this play.

vuudu said:

That picture is even offensive. Is that Canon already falling down? The OL is chasing after the defenders.

Click to expand...

*facepalm*

Triumph said:

Brady, Gronk lost their connection on final 2-point try - NFL.com

Click to expand...

What's sad is Brady looked Gronk's way first but went away from him and threw to his favorite binky Jules who was covered. O line sucked and Brady took a beating but there were plays to be made and Brady did not make them all game long.

skinnydog said:

I see a defender and Edelman right in the throwing lane, but it does look like Grink is breaking open. It also looks like with a good low throw Edelman could catch the ball and sit down in the end zone. I also think the guy blowing past Cannon alters the throw enough to prevent a good throw.

But if he had seen it I think Gronk makes the catch. I'm guessing Gronk is the third read and he though Edelman flashed open. Too bad.

Take a look at the 4 stills from the other page. Ware eats Volmer alive on this play.

Click to expand...

It is amazing to me sometimes the lengths patriots fans will go to make excuses for Brady. That has to go to Gronk. Instead, he tinkled down his leg and forced it to Edelman. GOAT, yes, but not yesterday.

I feel like before this play was snapped he had it in his mind it was going to jules. He might have figured that they would take Gronk away at all costs. Either way he obviously missed this, but rolling out and under pressure all day it is what it is.

Gronkowski123 said:

should of gone to gronk. didnt matter if he was tripled team
the only guy on our offense who can make big plays...

Click to expand...

I think Danny and Jules would have something to say about that.

I kinda see what Brady was looking at. If Edelman cuts to the left he'd have a small window before that other linebacker got back there. If he lobs it to Gronk the defender double covering White could have dropped back and picked it off.

Of course I'm a layman but that's what I see. Of course at the very end of the play Gronk was more open than this pic shows and I don't know if the guy on White could have dropped back in time.

Looking at the video, Vollmer really looks hobbled too.

No he wasnt

Yeah, about half a dozen of my friends have pointed this out to me...but my answer to all of them was, "It's pretty hard for Brady to find anybody after being knocked down 23 times and running for his life again on this play." Not on Tommy. No way.

If you want to second guess, second guess not going for the FG on the prior drive and and...of course...they wouldn't have had to go for two if...yada...yada...yada...it's been said a million times out here already.

Horses. Beat. Dead.

free hankies.......over there

robbomango said:

There's a defender right In his throwing lane, it doesn't look that simple imo and he doesn't look that wide open after watching the vid...

Could be wrong just doesn't look so cut and dry

Click to expand...

I totally agree. Sure, this was more open than anything else, BUT the distance is significantly more than the throw to Edelman, and there would have been time to close on Gronk from the time the pass was released. And, going to Gronk was the most predictable thing, though granted going to Edelman was a close second. But I completely concur that the claim of "wide open" is overhyped. I tend to think that he makes the catch, IF Brady has the time to get a decent throw off, but that could be a big if.

I got the same picture in an email, from a friend relishing the disappointment of Pats' fans. Didn't need this brought up again in a special thread on the forum. But I'll forgive the OP, we all grieve in different ways.

It's a 16 yard throw with a guy who's faster than him a half yard back and another three yards in front of him. Sure, if that's wide open.

Brady also has a huge running lane.

Bobsyouruncle said:

It's a 16 yard throw with a guy who's faster than him a half yard back and another three yards in front of him. Sure, if that's wide open.

Brady also has a huge running lane.

Click to expand...

In the NFL, that absolutely constitutes being wide open.

As for running for it....maybe.

RhodyPatriot said:

What's sad is Brady looked Gronk's way first but went away from him and threw to his favorite binky Jules who was covered. O line sucked and Brady took a beating but there were plays to be made and Brady did not make them all game long.

Click to expand...

Here is an awesome explanation from Chatham about what went wrong during the conversion:




The way I understand it.. Brady decided presnap to go to Edelman because initially it looked like Denver was doubling Gronk. So his main attention was on Jules. Chatham nicely shows why Jules was not able to break into the free space (because a DT came in from the other side) which is also why Brady couldn't lead him.

And then after Vollmer was owned by Ware and 54 of Denver also broke through our OL Brady had not enough time anymore to check for Gronk.

The more often I look at that the more I think that if Mason would have engaged with his DL (#97) for just a second, then that lineman wouldn't have been able to fall back into space that quickly and Jules would have had tons of free space to run for an easy 2pt conversion in the middle. It was actually beautifully drawn up.. Amendola and Martin nicely cleared out the space in the middle for Edelman..


And this is the kind of awesome analysis and discussion I was hoping to see instead of people just saying generalities about 2 point conversions.

I'm still looking for James White on a deep sideline route......over and over and over again

IllegalContact said:

I'm still looking for James White on a deep sideline route......over and over and over again

Click to expand...

I think this route was ruled out presnap the moment Brady saw what he thought was double on Gronk. He knew that Dola and Martin would clear up the middle of the field and Jules only needed to have a step on Talib.

Going for White would have required him to set his feet/body completely different to get the ball there with enough zip to lead White so he would not be tackled short of the endzone.

Depending on the coverage, reads come in different orders. You can't make all the reads at once, and each route is designed with a timing for which each receiver should expect the ball. Judging by where Brady is looking, the first reads were to the receivers on the right side.

IllegalContact said:

I'm still looking for James White on a deep sideline route......over and over and over again

Click to expand...

Why oh why was White lined up so close to Brady? Put him just behind where Edelman ends up at the snap, and White would've been wide WIDE open right after the snap.